Time for a cyclists' jihad against Tim Hortons?

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Our policy has always been that only vehicles licensed
under the Ontario Motor Vehicles Act can be served at our drive-thrus

Ah. So that means they don't serve tourists??

I'm sure Dunkin has a similar policy, though. If you're going to start
a boycott, make sure that cyclists have an alternate source of their
daily caffeine + fat.

Must say that I couldn't care less. Lots of things to get excied about-
this isn't oneof them.

lowkey <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I noticed a sign at a nearby Tim Hortons that declared

non-motorized

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vehicles were not welcome at the drive-through.

Seems like an odd solution when the problem is ...

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Drivers move very quickly when entering and leaving the drive-thru

area,

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location across the chain.

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Since this is a safety issue, I'm sure you can
understand our position.

Actually I can't.

In article <[email hidden]>,

lowkey said:

I noticed a sign at a nearby Tim Hortons that declared non-motorized
vehicles were not welcome at the drive-through.

If I went to a TH, I'd prefer to go inside and get the
counter service, anyway -- you can look around and see
what they've got, and who else is there. I guess I'd
rather not queue up with a bunch of cars, any more
than I havta.

cheers,
Tom

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lowkey said:

I noticed a sign at a nearby Tim Hortons that declared non-motorized
vehicles were not welcome at the drive-through.

So? If I owned a business I wouldn't want to serve hot coffee (or whatever)
to someone wearing slippery shoes while straddling a skinny contraption with
sharp pointed objects on it, either. Lawsuit City.

Kwitcherwhining...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Our policy has always been that only vehicles licensed
under the Ontario Motor Vehicles Act can be served at our drive-thrus

Ah. So that means they don't serve tourists??

I'm sure Dunkin has a similar policy, though. If you're going to start
a boycott, make sure that cyclists have an alternate source of their
daily caffeine + fat.

Well, let's see.

First, I think their point about insurance may be well-taken. If it's
true that a vehicle that must be licensed must also be insured, anyway,
or driven by licensed driver with insurance.

Second, Once they handed me a cup of coffee in a cardboard cup, I'm not
sure exactly what I would do with it, on my bike.

Third, When I do buy takeout coffee, I put sweetener in it and pour it
into my thermos. Easier done off the bike.

Fourth, Ain't no Tim Horton's around here. I do remember their coffee
fondly from previous trips to Canada. But generally I go to Starbucks.
I've heard of Starbucks with drive-throughs, but I've never seen one.
(I will, though, when I visit my son in North Carolina in September; he
works at one.)

Fifth, Stopping for food is an excuse to get off the bike. I've never
even been tempted to go through a drive-through.

Sixth, Other than coffee, I can't think of anything sold through a
drive-through that I would want to eat. Which may account for my lack
of temptation.

Seventh, I can't believe I could come up with six points to make on
such a trivial subject. It's bad to be posting on Usenet when you're
bored but can't leave the room.

RichC

Tom Keats said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

lowkey said:

I noticed a sign at a nearby Tim Hortons that declared non-motorized
vehicles were not welcome at the drive-through.

If I went to a TH, I'd prefer to go inside and get the
counter service, anyway -- you can look around and see
what they've got, and who else is there. I guess I'd
rather not queue up with a bunch of cars, any more
than I havta.

cheers,
Tom

Along the same lines, the lifestyle changes I wanted to make which got
me into cycling are also the ones that told me to give up fast food and
the hustle/bustle lifestyle permitted by drive-throughs.

We should all make a little more time in our days and enjoy things a
little bit more...I feel

--
Paul M. Hobson
Georgia Institute of Technology
..:change the words numbers
if you want to reply to me:.

lowkey said:

I noticed a sign at a nearby Tim Hortons that declared non-motorized
vehicles were not welcome at the drive-through.

Sounds like an excellent reason to buy your food at a different
restaurant.
--
"Let others praise ancient times; I am glad I was born in these."
--Ovid (43 BC-18 AD)

rdclark said:

Seventh, I can't believe I could come up with six points to make on
such a trivial subject. It's bad to be posting on Usenet when you're
bored but can't leave the room.

Eighth, I think that if having to dismount and go inside a coffee joint
is your worst problem, you really have a pretty darn good life. Why not
be grateful for it?

Bill

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T-Ho's corporate puppet said:

... the excellent safety records and policies we have in place. ...
Our policy has always been that only vehicles licensed
under the Ontario Motor Vehicles Act can be served at our drive-thrus. ...

WUWD? Last time I was South of the Border, I hit a T-Ho's in my car
which is not licenses under any Ontario Schmontario MVA. They did not
refuse service. (As our buddy in rec.bicycles.soc would say, "LIAR!!"😉

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For example, we do not allow pedestrians to walk up to the windows, even
where our stores are closed and drive-thrus open 24 hours. Scooters,
wheelchairs, bicycles, ATV's and snowmobiles also are not permitted.

Specious. I can see how a drive-up worker could be more easily
threatened by a ped intent on harm, but nothing prevents a motorist
from hopping out of the car and invading the window.

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Drivers move very quickly when entering and leaving the drive-thru area,
and the potential for injury is very high.

With a lapful of coffee and TimBits? Oh, please.

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...There are also issues surrounding insurance, and our insurance company's > insistence that only licensed vehicles be permitted to go through the drive-> thru.

I thought they sold food, not PL/PD and collision coverage. Never
had a drive-up worked ask for license & reg prior to serving me.

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...Since this is a safety issue, I'm sure you can understand our position.

Back in the 80's several banks decided that it would be "safer" to
not provide service to cyclists at the drive-up. Cyclists wrote a
letter and suggested they'd bank elsewhere. Suddenly all those safety
issues evaporated. And it was not the insurance carrier at all, just
some pointy-haired corp type sitting behind a desk making a decision.

T-Ho's has great coffee, BTW.

HTH

--Karen M.

I'm with you. These days, the only time I stop at a place that would
have a drive-through (BK, McD's) is to answer a call of nature, and I
prefer to get off the bike for that anyway. However, I do have a strong
opinion on this issue which i will post.

--ag

Paul Hobson <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

Tom Keats said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

lowkey said:

I noticed a sign at a nearby Tim Hortons that declared non-motorized
vehicles were not welcome at the drive-through.

If I went to a TH, I'd prefer to go inside and get the
counter service, anyway -- you can look around and see
what they've got, and who else is there. I guess I'd
rather not queue up with a bunch of cars, any more
than I havta.

cheers,
Tom

Along the same lines, the lifestyle changes I wanted to make which got
me into cycling are also the ones that told me to give up fast food
and the hustle/bustle lifestyle permitted by drive-throughs.

We should all make a little more time in our days and enjoy things a
little bit more...I feel

"lowkey" <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

I noticed a sign at a nearby Tim Hortons that declared non-motorized
vehicles were not welcome at the drive-through.

I emailed [email hidden] to ask if this was company
policy.

I received the response below from a [email hidden]

Is it time for a boycott? If it were anyone other than Timmy's.....

I always pride myself at doing anything with a bike you can do with a car,
and the change to non-service at drive-thrus is galling. For thos who want
some good snacks, may I recommend Dairy Barn, which is way too laid back to
prevent anyone from doing anything on or in any type of vehicle.

--ag

"Andy Gee" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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I'm with you. These days, the only time I stop at a place

that would

Quoted message said:

have a drive-through (BK, McD's) is to answer a call of

nature, and I

Quoted message said:

prefer to get off the bike for that anyway. However, I do

have a strong

Quoted message said:

opinion on this issue which i will post.

You and others are confusing the specific instance (buying
junk food) with the general issue (restrictions on
drive-thru's). The local branch of Bank One / Chase has
short lobby hours, longer drive-thru hours, and 24 hour ATM's
that are only drive thru. There are no walk-up ATM's. In such
a circumstance it is important to be able to use the
drive-thru. Another example would be pharmacy drive-thru's,
although I can't think of any local cases in which the
drive-thru is open but the store is closed. Not all
drive-thru's are limited to junk food.

There might be something to this insurance thing. I do know a
person who was arrested for underage drunk driving -- in a
McDonald's drive-thru line.

--
Mike Kruger
You can't get even, you can just lower the standard for all in
that pursuit. Retribution is a mental state in a downward
spiral.
This calls for diplomacy and education on both sides. (Jobst
Brandt)

Very few words make me cringe but one that almost always manages to do
exactly that is jihad, especially when it's used in the context of such
a trivial issue as what fast food place to patronize.

Regards,
Bob Hunt

Bob said:

Very few words make me cringe but one that almost always manages to do
exactly that is jihad, especially when it's used in the context of such
a trivial issue as what fast food place to patronize.

Sometimes it's good to take these loaded words and
appropriate them for trivial, informal, or comedic uses.
Takes the wind out of their sails.

Robert

Mike Kruger said:

"Andy Gee" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

I'm with you. These days, the only time I stop at a place

that would

Quoted message said:

have a drive-through (BK, McD's) is to answer a call of

nature, and I

Quoted message said:

prefer to get off the bike for that anyway. However, I do

have a strong

Quoted message said:

opinion on this issue which i will post.

You and others are confusing the specific instance (buying
junk food) with the general issue (restrictions on
drive-thru's). The local branch of Bank One / Chase has
short lobby hours, longer drive-thru hours, and 24 hour ATM's
that are only drive thru. There are no walk-up ATM's. In such
a circumstance it is important to be able to use the
drive-thru. Another example would be pharmacy drive-thru's,
although I can't think of any local cases in which the
drive-thru is open but the store is closed. Not all
drive-thru's are limited to junk food.

There might be something to this insurance thing. I do know a
person who was arrested for underage drunk driving -- in a
McDonald's drive-thru line.

Point well made. Very few banks around my part of town don't have walk
up ATMs, so that's something I never considered. However, since an ATM
is self-service, once the lobby is closed, who's going to tell you not
to use it?

\\paul
--
Paul M. Hobson
Georgia Institute of Technology
..:change the words numbers
if you want to reply to me:.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

Bob said:

Very few words make me cringe but one that almost always manages to do
exactly that is jihad, especially when it's used in the context of such
a trivial issue as what fast food place to patronize.

Sometimes it's good to take these loaded words and
appropriate them for trivial, informal, or comedic uses.
Takes the wind out of their sails.

That's evil ;-) Anyways, if anyone wants to pitch a
jihad against Tim Horton's, I ain't stoppin' them.

But if it's an invasion, I don't think I'll be joining 'em.
I'd rather invade a Dairy Queen. Which reminds me, I've
gotta get around to persuading the one down the street
from me to install a bike (parking) rack.

I don't care about drive-thrus, but I do get somewhat
indignant when establishments have all kinds of car
parking facilities, but no bike racks.

cheers,
Tom

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Mike Kruger said:

The local branch of Bank One / Chase has
short lobby hours, longer drive-thru hours, and 24 hour ATM's
that are only drive thru. There are no walk-up ATM's.

It's a Car Culture conspiracy!

cheers,
Tom

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Add Walgreen's to the List

I used the drive-up (ride-up for me) at a fairly new Walgreen's in
my town for 6 months without any complaint. Then, they told me I had to
come inside, unless I had a car. I think this policy may have been
invented just for me, as I've never seen another cyclist shopping here.
I'm unclear about the use of a motorcycle for this. It's a motor
vehicle, but if there is any danger there to the rider from a
hard-charging next customer, it wouldn't be much more protective than a
bicycle. I pointed out that they had no bike rack or anything else near
the store that could be used to lock a cycle. They said if I used my
imagination, I could find something. I finally had to use a small tree
in a landscaped area next to the street. I was actually hoping someone
would come from the store and tell me no walking was permitted in the
shrubbery. I guess if I really used my imagination, I could find
another drugstore.

Steve McDonald