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  1. I just started a Learn to Run clinic (on-line clinic). Today I had my
    second run/walk and I had to cut it short by 10 minutes (this week
    we're doing 6 sets of 1 minute run/2 minutes walk, followed by a 1
    minute run and cool-down). I could only do 3 1min/2min intervals
    before my right calf felt so tight that it was uncomfortable to
    continue (no cramping, just tightness--though it seemed that if I
    continued I might have had cramps). During my first run/walk, a
    similar thing happened but it was not as bad.

    I should note that I do warm-up (11 minute warm-up at 5.6km/hr), and I
    have proper running shoes for my feet (mild pronation). I am starting
    out very slowly--my run is only 6.6 km/hr and my walk is 5.6 km/hr.

    My questions--is the tightness just a matter of my muscles getting
    used to the kind of stress/movement required by running? I have
    already been an avid walker--I can do a sustained 30 minute walk at
    6.0 km/hr so I didn't think running (especially since it's such a slow
    run) would be much more of a strain.

    What can I do to help prevent the tightness? I do stretch for about
    10 minutes after running--do I need to stretch before starting the
    run, too?

    I have sent an e-mail to the clinic instructor, but was just wondering
    if there are any other insights to my problem.

  2. Rona Yuthasastrakosol said:

    My questions--is the tightness just a matter of my muscles getting
    used to the kind of stress/movement required by running? I have

    Probably. It sounds like DOMS (delayed onset of muscle soreness). If this
    is the case, then the answer is yes.

    Quoted message said:

    What can I do to help prevent the tightness? I do stretch for about

    Keep practicing until your muscles are more used to the movement. Cut the
    workout short if it hurts too much, at least for now.

    Quoted message said:

    10 minutes after running--do I need to stretch before starting the
    run, too?

    If you like, but probably won't make much difference.

    Cheers,
    --
    Donovan Rebbechi
    http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

  3. Rona Yuthasastrakosol said:


    I just started a Learn to Run clinic (on-line clinic). Today I had my
    second run/walk and I had to cut it short by 10 minutes (this week
    we're doing 6 sets of 1 minute run/2 minutes walk, followed by a 1
    minute run and cool-down). I could only do 3 1min/2min intervals
    before my right calf felt so tight that it was uncomfortable to
    continue (no cramping, just tightness--though it seemed that if I
    continued I might have had cramps). During my first run/walk, a
    similar thing happened but it was not as bad.

    I should note that I do warm-up (11 minute warm-up at 5.6km/hr), and I
    have proper running shoes for my feet (mild pronation). I am starting
    out very slowly--my run is only 6.6 km/hr and my walk is 5.6 km/hr.

    My questions--is the tightness just a matter of my muscles getting
    used to the kind of stress/movement required by running? I have
    already been an avid walker--I can do a sustained 30 minute walk at
    6.0 km/hr so I didn't think running (especially since it's such a slow
    run) would be much more of a strain.

    What can I do to help prevent the tightness? I do stretch for about
    10 minutes after running--do I need to stretch before starting the
    run, too?

    I have sent an e-mail to the clinic instructor, but was just wondering
    if there are any other insights to my problem.

    Running is a lot more intense than walking;
    likely your calf muscles just aren't built
    up enough, something that will happen over
    time.

    Stretching the calf is usually helpful, but
    in your case sounds like massage might work
    better. Deeper massage warms up and loosens
    the muscle fibers, works out knots, relieves
    lactic acid build up, and makes stretching
    more effective. Some people roll on things
    like tennis balls. I prefer commercial tools
    like the Stick and lot of runners use it or
    something similar.

    http://www.thestick.com/

    http://www.intracell.net/

    http://www.stretching.com/products/bodytools.asp

  4. Rona Yuthasastrakosol said:

    I just started a Learn to Run clinic (on-line clinic). Today I had my
    second run/walk and I had to cut it short by 10 minutes (this week
    we're doing 6 sets of 1 minute run/2 minutes walk, followed by a 1
    minute run and cool-down). I could only do 3 1min/2min intervals
    before my right calf felt so tight that it was uncomfortable to
    continue (no cramping, just tightness--though it seemed that if I
    continued I might have had cramps). During my first run/walk, a
    similar thing happened but it was not as bad.

    Has someone been telling you to run on your toes? Quickest way to get sore
    calves. At your stage (in fact at almost any stage) you should run in a way
    that feels natural to you, not according to any instructions.

    Tim

  5. Gee, my hand hurts when I stab it with a steak knife. How can I keep my
    hand from hurting?

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    Rona,

    Check out http://www.mindfulness.com/of1.asp

    You can use a railing, edge of a table, back of a chair to massage out the calf muscle. During training runs, I have my groups stop along the way and show them how to massage out the calf muscles on the various railings, picnic tables and other assorted benches along the way.

    If you sit down on the ground and put the belly of the calf over the knee of the other leg _/\----- you can massage out the calf with the knee.

    When muscles are sore they contract to protect themselves. If the muscle is tight and you attempt to stretch it, you'll find that you stretch the muscle fibers on either end of the know and then when they get overstretched they join the knot that was protecting itself from your unthinking stretching.

    Using the railing along the way keeps the calves from tightening up.

    If you're running with an overstride which means you're landing on the back of the heel of the shoe...slightly in front of your center of gravity, your shins may be getting tight.

    The result is that the calves have to work against shin muscles that won't relax totally causing the calves to have to work harder.

    If you're ever in San Diego give me a call in phone book under Austin Gontang and I'll direct you to the San Diego Marathon Clinic on Sunday mornings at 8:00am and we'll work on your form and style. This past week was the 30th year of the clinic. It's free and always has been.

    Here's some stuff to do about your calves:

    Dealing With And Preventing Injuries To Calf Muscles

    A look at ways to prevent injury to your calves. Thoughts about what it
    means to stretch properly. Ways to massage out the calves to release knots
    and remove excess strain and tension. A dialogue to become friends with your
    calves and not strain your relationship with them

    Dealing With And Preventing Injuries To Calf Muscles
    by Austin Gontang,
    September 27, 2000

    A Folkloric Core Dump On Calves: A Dialogue in Progress
    c. 2000 Austin "Ozzie" Gontang, Ph.D. & Denny Anderson

    Paul Doughty wrote to rec.running::

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I have tried to start back running several times over the past couple
    of years. I will begin by running 2 or 3 miles a day but within 3
    weeks I have always injured my calf (it has occurred to both my left
    and right calf). My calf will feel fine and then with one stride
    there will be a sharp pain right in the middle of my calf. Even if I
    stop immediately, it takes at least 3 weeks before the pain will go
    away.

    Sylvan Smyth answered:

    Quoted message said:

    Have you gone for any really deep massage? Maybe try Ozzie G's calf
    plan: lots of rolling. I use a Stick(tm), because I got one as a
    present, but a rolling pin works just as well. See if you can find
    some knots in there, and just grind them out. Whatever it takes,
    thumbs, knuckles, elbows...

    Sylvan Smyth

    This got me thinking and I brought together my thoughts over the past 20+
    years as a beginning to sharing my folklore about calves and running and
    injuries to calves.

    As mentioned in an earlier post, your calves are being stretched more
    because there's lower heel lift in a running flat. The problem is that the
    calf to protect itself will contract...and then the fascia shortens around
    that portion of the shortened calf, and then the tension caused by the calf
    only being able to partially stretch to its full tonic state will begin to
    pull on the tendons. The tendons will take it for a while and then they'll
    start to get irritated.

    You'll do some stretching as recommended by many and you'll find that you
    now begin to strain the muscle fibers around either side of the knotted
    muscle encapsulated by the tightened fascia. The end result is that the
    stretching most, likely improper, ( you can't stretch a weight bearing
    muscle) will allow the overstretched muscle fibers to shorten to protect
    themselves...and they'll join the knotted area. And then people will tell
    you that it's because of the fact you've run in racing flats.

    1. The up against the wall stretch where you push one leg back to stretch
    the calf is improper if you can lift up your front foot. If you can lift up
    your front foot, the weight is on the back leg, and therefore the back leg
    is weight bearing...and the calf can't be stretched. Feels great but it's
    like opening your hand and trying to close it at the same time. Great
    isometric strain.

    If you're up against the wall keep the weight on the front foot so that you
    can lift up the back foot at any time. Stretch away from the back foot as if
    it's nailed to the ground and you're attempting to pull the foot out of the
    nailed down shoe When you do that, then you'd be stretching the calf.

    Doing the heels off the curb in my mind's eye is causing the same problem.
    Once you're taking the calves beyond the stretch reflex and if the fascia
    around the muscle won't let go, you end up straining good muscle fiber and
    tendon.

    Therefore here's a reason for using the railing to massage out the calves.
    Transverse Friction, that is rolling the calf from side to side over the
    belly of the muscle to gradually work the fascia and the knotted muscle
    (often referred to as adhesions [for the fascia] and scarred microtears of
    the muscle).

    Check out the picture: http://www.mindfulness.com/of1.asp for massaging the
    calf muscle. In that article you'll realize that most Achilles tendon
    problems are calf problems. The Achilles problem is the result the calf
    being too tight or knotted and unable to go through it's normal range of
    motion.

    Also work out the anterior shin on the bar. Face the bar and turn your body
    45 degrees. Put the closest shin upon the bar and start making a small
    circle with the foot as you slide down the shin. Often the shin may be
    overworked with the running in the racing flats. The reason for working out
    the shin is that if the shin can't relax, the calf has to work against a
    semi-contracted muscle which makes the calf strain all the more.

    With the idea that Denny Anderson has been passing on about the short quick
    steps to work on form, it may be that if you're overstriding the strain on
    the calves is due to the vertical lift and the immediate deceleration as the
    landing foot touches down. I'd use Denny's technique to practice. He
    mentions running on eggs, I think he meant egg shells so softly that you
    wouldn't break them or like Caine upon the rice paper in Kung Fu style so no
    tears occur...or an image I use is running on a extremely hot surface so
    that you are always focused on lifting up you foot as soon as it touches
    ball/heel. The heel lightly touches and is instantly lifted up because your
    center of gravity is in front of the foot as it lands under you

    Picture yourself going "ahh, ahh, ahh, ahh," lifting your feet off the
    ground the instant the heel of the ball/heel touches. Remember that the heel
    must be touching as it is the platform of the ball AND heel from which the
    rest of the body is catapulted forward.

    It would be the reflex you'd have when you touch your finger to an iron just
    before ironing to see if it's hot, and the reflex pulls your finger away so
    fast because while you thought it was just warming up, it was ironing hot.

    Following in the footsteps of Denny and others, running in racing flats can
    be helpful to improving your running style and becoming aware of how you
    land to become lighter on your feet...and therefore the rest of your lower
    legs and then the rest of your body.

    If you saw the Boston finish over the last few miles, you saw the way the
    upper torso leaned forward on one of the Kenyans, to the erect posture of
    the other Kenyan. Minimal vertical lift, the foot landing under the center
    of gravity, and keeping the body propelled forward in its fall at a 5 or
    sub-5 pace.

    If you learn to run lightly, you'll have a great time running fast.
    Flexibility will be your biggest aid in getting faster once you learn the
    rapid turnover of the 180 steps/minute.

    Remember when the foot touches the ground it should not stop the body but is
    like the pushing foot of a skateboarder as he or she maintains a steady
    speed or accelerates. Or in crew, if you watch the coxswain, his or her body
    glides forward when the rowers are maintaining the constant speed or
    accelerating. If you see the coxswain jerking back and forth you know that
    every time the oars are put in the water they're slowing the boat and then
    powering it ahead. You also know that the crew are lacking somewhere in
    their form and style.

    Another picture is you spinning a bicycle tire. Spin it with your hand. If
    your hand is slightly slower than the spin of the tire, you slow it down and
    most likely will get a burn on your fingers. That's where a lot of blisters
    on feet come from as people get tired in the marathon.

    Anyway I hope the pictures are a little helpful to get your calves back into
    shape. Remember if your calves are having to push your body forward then
    you've most likely stopped yourself from being constant in your running
    speed.

    Let us know what you experience.

    Oh, run slowly up a hill with the quick steps so that your back foot or
    pushing off foot doesn't weight the calf. Once you can do that, you've
    absorbed the other words. Now you have the feeling and the experience. Your
    calf is being used to bring the lower leg off the ground quicker to get it
    through the cycle faster as the knee goes back and then come up and forward
    with the lower leg bent back at greater than a 90 degree.

    So from the front, when the leg is coming forward, it looks like the runner
    for a short moment has only a knee stump. As the knee comes forward and
    lifts, you see the lower leg and then it goes down so that in the majority
    of great runners you don't see the heel of the shoe.

    Now the above is a core dump. I'll have to go back and see what I said. I'm
    interested in finding out where I'm wrong or am explaining it incorrectly.
    Help me clean up my word pictures.

    Again, it's folklore. If it works for you, use it. If not, find someone who
    makes better sense and whose ideas work for you and use them. Or create your
    own images that work great for you, and please share them with me and others
    of rec.running so we can educate ourselves better.

    In health and on the run,

    Ozzie Gontang
    [email hidden]
    Maintainer - rec.running FAQ
    http://www.faqs.org/faqs/by-newsgroup/rec/rec.running.html
    Director, San Diego Marathon Clinic, est. 1975

    Mindful Running http://www.mindfulness.com/mr.asp

  7. Tom Phillips said:


    Running is a lot more intense than walking;
    likely your calf muscles just aren't built
    up enough, something that will happen over
    time.

    Geez! And I thought my huge calves might be useful for something! :-) I
    have noticed in weights classes that my calves and shins are a bit weak.
    Perhaps I need to work on strengthening them a bit more, too.

    Quoted message said:

    Stretching the calf is usually helpful, but
    in your case sounds like massage might work
    better. Deeper massage warms up and loosens
    the muscle fibers, works out knots, relieves
    lactic acid build up, and makes stretching
    more effective.

    After my first run, I went for a shiatsu treatment (it just so happened that
    my treatment was scheduled for that day). It did help quite a bit.

    Quoted message said:

    Some people roll on things
    like tennis balls. I prefer commercial tools
    like the Stick and lot of runners use it or
    something similar.

    http://www.thestick.com/

    http://www.intracell.net/

    http://www.stretching.com/products/bodytools.asp

    Thanks for the links. I have a little stick that my shiatsu guy uses
    sometimes. I use it for my psoas, but I guess it'll be multi-tasking from
    now on!

    rona

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  8. Tim Downie said:


    Has someone been telling you to run on your toes? Quickest way to
    get sore calves. At your stage (in fact at almost any stage) you
    should run in a way that feels natural to you, not according to any
    instructions.

    Tim

    No one has told me about running on my toes...at least I don't think they
    have! Actually, I'm not even sure what that means! If it means having your
    feet hit toes first, I don't think I do that. I have pretty good foot
    placement--I'm a very mild pronator, which the running shoe salesperson said
    was very normal. And according to my last pair of running shoes (used for
    fitness walking), my feet usually hit on the outside of the heel, then end
    at the inside of the area around my toes. I don't know what that means,
    though!

    The only thing I noticed myself do consciously while running, is control my
    arm movements when I run. I was once told in a fitness walking class, that
    one of my arms tends to cross my body, making the pumping action
    less-efficient (or something like that). I've been trying to control this
    as I run, but maybe I shouldn't for now. I just thought it might be better
    to stop my bad habits now, before they become too ingrained.

    Thanks for the advice!

    rona

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  9. Tom:
    A very inexpensive option is to use a plain old rolling pin (the kind
    cooks and bakers use to roll dough) rather than the stick or a
    commercial product. I bought a used rolling pin for $3.00 and it is an
    easy way to massage the calves after a run. You roll it up and down
    the calves, or for an even better and deeper massage: put the rolling
    pin on the floor and roll you calf over the rolling pin You can do it
    lightly (both legs on the rolling pin) or deeply (one leg on the
    rolling pin, the other leg resting on top of the first leg). You can
    really feel it working the calf muscles.

    I had problems with my Achilles tendons, and one of the causes was my
    relatively weak and tight calf muscles. Exercising the calf muscles to
    strengthen them and using the rolling pin to keep the calf muscle knots
    away was one of the things that really helped my Achilles tendons and
    allowed me to return to running.
    Murph

  10. Rona Y. said:
    Tim Downie said:


    Has someone been telling you to run on your toes? Quickest way to
    get sore calves. At your stage (in fact at almost any stage) you
    should run in a way that feels natural to you, not according to any
    instructions.

    Tim

    No one has told me about running on my toes...at least I don't think
    they have! Actually, I'm not even sure what that means!

    Well, I was refering to conciously trying to land on the balls of your feet.
    I only raised the possibility as I once gave myself sore calves by
    conciously trying to change my running style. Any changes should be by
    evolution, not revolution. ;-)

    Quoted message said:

    If it means
    having your feet hit toes first, I don't think I do that. I have
    pretty good foot placement--I'm a very mild pronator, which the
    running shoe salesperson said was very normal. And according to my
    last pair of running shoes (used for fitness walking), my feet
    usually hit on the outside of the heel, then end at the inside of the
    area around my toes. I don't know what that means, though!

    The only thing I noticed myself do consciously while running, is
    control my arm movements when I run. I was once told in a fitness
    walking class, that one of my arms tends to cross my body, making the
    pumping action less-efficient (or something like that). I've been
    trying to control this as I run, but maybe I shouldn't for now. I
    just thought it might be better to stop my bad habits now, before
    they become too ingrained.

    Haile Gebrselassie, one of the all time great runners, claims to run with a
    lopside arm action from years of running carrying school books. Doesn't
    seem to have done him too much harm! See
    http://www.olympic.org/uk/athletes/heroes/bio_uk.asp?PAR_I_ID=90856

    Quoted message said:


    Thanks for the advice!

    Not sure what for, I don't seem to have solved anything. ;-) Hope your
    calves are improving anyway.

    Tim

  11. Tim Downie said:
    Rona Y. said:
    Tim Downie said:

    Has someone been telling you to run on your toes? Quickest way to
    get sore calves. At your stage (in fact at almost any stage) you
    should run in a way that feels natural to you, not according to any
    instructions.

    Tim

    No one has told me about running on my toes...at least I don't think
    they have! Actually, I'm not even sure what that means!

    Well, I was refering to conciously trying to land on the balls of your feet.
    I only raised the possibility as I once gave myself sore calves by
    conciously trying to change my running style. Any changes should be by
    evolution, not revolution. ;-)

    it was funny you wrote that because i had been trying to see what
    landing on the balls of my feet would do for me and when i read your
    post i was feeling some sore calves and a tender ankle. I do think i run
    a bit more effortlessly by landing on the balls of my feet but i have to
    connect those aches to it as i havent increased mileage, changed shoes,
    or run on different surfaces lately...the only change has been
    conciously landing on the balls of my feet.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If it means
    having your feet hit toes first, I don't think I do that. I have
    pretty good foot placement--I'm a very mild pronator, which the
    running shoe salesperson said was very normal. And according to my
    last pair of running shoes (used for fitness walking), my feet
    usually hit on the outside of the heel, then end at the inside of the
    area around my toes. I don't know what that means, though!

    The only thing I noticed myself do consciously while running, is
    control my arm movements when I run. I was once told in a fitness
    walking class, that one of my arms tends to cross my body, making the
    pumping action less-efficient (or something like that). I've been
    trying to control this as I run, but maybe I shouldn't for now. I
    just thought it might be better to stop my bad habits now, before
    they become too ingrained.

    Haile Gebrselassie, one of the all time great runners, claims to run with a
    lopside arm action from years of running carrying school books. Doesn't
    seem to have done him too much harm! See
    http://www.olympic.org/uk/athletes/heroes/bio_uk.asp?PAR_I_ID=90856

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks for the advice!

    Not sure what for, I don't seem to have solved anything. ;-) Hope your
    calves are improving anyway.

    helped me

    Quoted message said:


    Tim

  12. Ozzie Gontang said:


    Check out http://www.mindfulness.com/of1.asp

    Thanks for the link! Nice site, btw!

    Question...if I stop to do a calf massage part-way through a run, can I go
    back to running after? Or should I just walk/cool-down?

    Quoted message said:


    If you're running with an overstride which means you're landing on
    the back of the heel of the shoe...slightly in front of your center
    of gravity, your shins may be getting tight.

    I wonder if I'm running with an understride (can that do damage, as well?).
    After reading the rest of your post (thanks for the thoroughness!) and Tim's
    post, I've been thinking a lot about my form and how I run. I do tend to
    run lightly with shorter strides, rather than longer ones. While according
    to your post, this may be better form, in my case I wonder if I'm running
    too lightly, and perhaps my strides are too short. You see, I run this way
    to compensate for other problems (I have knee problems--torn acl in both
    knees, arthritis and bone spurs in my right knee--you may be wondering why
    I've started running at all--but it seemed like fun and both my orthopedist
    and massage therapist OKed it).

    I did another run yesterday and took very careful note of my running style.
    I do think my strides are much too short. They are about as long (short) as
    if I were speed-walking--very short strides. I would be more comfortable
    with longer strides, but I started out with short strides so I could gauge
    how my knees would react to the increased pressure of running. I will try
    to increase my speed tomorrow, and increase my strides a little. Perhaps
    that will help. I should mention that I use a treadmill--my doctor seemed
    to think it would be better for my knees to start out with one.

    I also stopped to massage my right calf after the second running interval.
    It was better, but by the time I finished the third interval is was very
    very tight again. I decided just to cool down and then I did a bit more
    massage and I stretched. If increasing my stride doesn't help, I will just
    cut my running time down (even though I'm only running for 6 minutes, total,
    right now) and progress more slowly. Better slowly that not at all!

    Thanks again for your help, and if you have any other suggestions, please
    feel free! I hope to get to San Diego one day to take you up on your
    offer--I'm in Japan right now, though, so that may take some time :-).

    rona

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  13. Donovan Rebbechi said:


    Probably. It sounds like DOMS (delayed onset of muscle soreness). If
    this is the case, then the answer is yes.

    Keep practicing until your muscles are more used to the movement. Cut
    the workout short if it hurts too much, at least for now.

    I'm going to add some calf/shin work to my weights circuit, too, using the
    same movements as running. That might help with getting my muscles used to
    the increased stress and movement. And I will definitely shorten my
    already-very-short runs until the soreness/tightness reduces. I think it's
    going to take me about 20 weeks to get through this 10-week programme!

    Thanks for the reply!

    rona

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  14. Rona Y. said:
    Donovan Rebbechi said:


    Probably. It sounds like DOMS (delayed onset of muscle soreness). If
    this is the case, then the answer is yes.

    Keep practicing until your muscles are more used to the movement. Cut
    the workout short if it hurts too much, at least for now.

    I'm going to add some calf/shin work to my weights circuit, too, using the
    same movements as running. That might help with getting my muscles used to
    the increased stress and movement.

    It won't help ,uch with the DOMS, though it may have other benefits. These
    sorts of adaptions are highly specific. You need to do *exactly* the same
    movement (that is, you have to run).

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    And I will definitely shorten my
    already-very-short runs until the soreness/tightness reduces. I think it's
    going to take me about 20 weeks to get through this 10-week programme!

    That's fine. Patience is key.

    Cheers,
    --
    Donovan Rebbechi
    http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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