Thoughts on the Crawl Stroke

Man o' Tea said:

Not my thoughts, but an archived article I ran across on the TI

board:

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http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/articles/swimtechnique/articles/200007-01st_art.asp

The article attributes the excellent freestyle swims of the Australian
men to their superior technique.

At the time the article was written, that may have been the case. It
certainly no longer is. If you look at the videos at the site below of
the Men 4x200 relay, which depicts an Australian man next to an
American, I think you will agree that they are all swimming the same.
In the video of Lochte and Klim, it's down right eerie - it's like
you've wandered into a synchronized swimming event, not a race.

So at one time, the Australian freestyle technique may have been unique
- it is ubiquitous now.

http://www.kurtz.se/swim/index.html

Eric

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The article attributes the excellent
freestyle swims of the Australian
men to their superior technique.

Distance swimmers in particular.

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At the time the article was written,
that may have been the case.

?? It was written in 2000.

Here's the key excerpt:

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Certainly, the inertial positioning of internal rotation is promoted

by an effective kick that allows the entry hand to be positioned as the
body continues to provide propulsion with the kick. This is
demonstrated by Thorpe and illustrated with the sensation a swimmer
gets when swimming with flippers.

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The flippered swimmer has the sensation that the arm stroke is too

easy, especially during the early positioning phase of the stroke. It
is my opinion that this is what Ian Thorpe must feel as he swims. And,
knowing the size (17) and flexibility exhibited in Thorpe's feet, the
advantage of superior body structure only adds to an already efficient
technique. <<

Q.E.D.

- Larry Weisenthal

(Larry Weisenthal) said:

Q.E.D.

No, T.E.D.

Man o' Tea said:

(Larry Weisenthal) said:

Q.E.D.

No, T.E.D.

He got it right. Don't know who Ted is - a friend of yours, maybe? 🙂

"Q.E.D." (sometimes written "QED"😉 is an abbreviation for the Latin
phrase "quod erat demonstrandum" ("that which was to be demonstrated"😉,
a notation which is often placed at the end of a mathematical proof to
indicate its completion."

In another words, you want to swim like Ian Thorpe, then don't forget
your flippers.

Eric

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Man o' Tea said:

(Larry Weisenthal) said:

Q.E.D.

No, T.E.D.

He got it right. Don't know who Ted is - a friend of yours, maybe? 🙂

"Q.E.D." (sometimes written "QED"😉 is an abbreviation for the Latin
phrase "quod erat demonstrandum" ("that which was to be demonstrated"😉,
a notation which is often placed at the end of a mathematical proof to
indicate its completion."

In another words, you want to swim like Ian Thorpe, then don't forget
your flippers.

Eric

I'm sure Donal's T.E.D. is a joke, albeit one that is lost on me.
Madelaine
who wonders if Ian Thorpe's magical flipperlike feet will succumb to
arthritis in his later years

Madelaine said:

I'm sure Donal's T.E.D. is a joke,
albeit one that is lost on me.

Thorpe Erat Demonstrandum

What Larry quoted was a description
of Thorpe's stroke.

Not letting you off the hook that easily, manatee.

You are saying that the quote was only applicable to Thorpe. It wasn't
(Thorpe was just an extreme example). The author was clearly saying
that, in order for the stroke to be efficient, it required a brisk kick
to maintain forward momentum as the outstretched hand was taking its
time to find its way to the catch position. This is why everyone who's
any good whose outstretched hand takes a leisurely path to the catch
position has a great kick. And why the long/slow technique is not
suitable to swimmers who don't have a great kick.

Read the quote again; here's the most important part:

"Certainly, the inertial positioning of internal rotation is promoted
by an effective kick that allows the entry hand to be positioned as the
body continues to provide propulsion with the kick. "

(I did like your T.E.D. Although stubbornly deficient in your ability
to acknowledge the obvious, your dry wit always adds a lot to the
general ebb and flow of the r.s.s. waters).

(Larry Weisenthal) said:

Not letting you off the hook that
easily, manatee.

Manatee is a protected species.

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You are saying that the quote was only
applicable to Thorpe.

Headers:
Stroke Characteristics
Scholarly Theories
Other Hypotheses
Ian Thorpe's Stroke*
Making It Look Easy

*clue

Man o' Tea said:

(Larry Weisenthal) said:

Not letting you off the hook that
easily, manatee.

Manatee is a protected species.

And also known as the "sea cow." Some set ups just can't be resisted.
Madelaine (who could be similarly described)

Madelaine said:

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Manatee is a protected species.

And also known as the "sea cow."

Moo.

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Some set ups just can't be resisted.
Madelaine (who could be similarly described)

You mean you just can't be resisted? :-)

Man o' Tea said:

Madelaine said:

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Manatee is a protected species.

And also known as the "sea cow."

Moo.

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Some set ups just can't be resisted.
Madelaine (who could be similarly described)

You mean you just can't be resisted? :-)

Sigh, if only that were true. I meant I could be described as a sea cow...
Madelaine

Madelaine said:

I meant I could be described as a sea cow...

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/springs/manatee.html

Nope. More like a Valhund. :-)

I had a vivid dream last night. I was swimming to Bermuda. I was
trying to follow the warm water, but kept feeling cold currents. Then
Ruth (Who is Ruth, my wife asked, and why are you dreaming about her?)
came swimming by, so I followed her. We eventually joined up with
Terry Laughlin and lots of others. When we got to Bermuda we were all
on Survivor. I started to worry that my sarcasm would get me voted
off. Then I woke up.

Man o' Tea said:

Madelaine said:

I meant I could be described as a sea cow...

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/springs/manatee.html

Nope. More like a Valhund. :-)

I had a vivid dream last night. I was swimming to Bermuda. I was
trying to follow the warm water, but kept feeling cold currents. Then
Ruth (Who is Ruth, my wife asked, and why are you dreaming about her?)
came swimming by, so I followed her. We eventually joined up with
Terry Laughlin and lots of others. When we got to Bermuda we were all
on Survivor. I started to worry that my sarcasm would get me voted
off. Then I woke up.

Did you notice my bicep pull? And the power of my two beat spaghetti
kick? Of course my back was arched and I was pressing the buoy, not to
alienate any of that good company. That was my new suit. Very
efficient, top and thong. (okay, in my dreams)

Ruth

rtk said:

Did you notice my bicep pull? And
the power of my two beat spaghetti
kick?

Oh yeah, I had trouble keeping up
with you!

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Man o' Tea said:

Not my thoughts, but an archived article I ran across on the TI

board:

Quoted message said:

http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/articles/swimtechnique/articles/200007-01st_art.asp

The article attributes the excellent freestyle swims of the Australian
men to their superior technique.

Forget about technique.
It's all in the sophisticated training method.

http://spamparadise.free.fr/TrainingAussieSwimmers.wmv

Will make a weak kicker a 6 beat kicker in a very short time...

-- Olivier