Thoughts on Cinelli Super Corsa??

Thw SuperCorsa is an excellent frame. It still carries the classic lines from it's early days.

People looking for this type of lines and classic look always end up with a SuperCorsa or the likes.

You can buy a frame from nearly any dealer. We offer the frame here for $1000

"Eurastus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Many moons ago (like 24 years--back in 1979) when I first started serious

road

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riding as a freshman in high school, one of the guys I rode with quite regularly had a beautiful
Cinelli with a brand new Campy Nuovo Record

group--he

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even had a Cinelli saddle. What a bike. I was on a pitiful Schwinn

Traveler

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III and dreamed of the day I could afford such a machine.

Well, now I can. I've been looking about for a steel framed replacement

for my

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15-year-old 7-speed steed and happened into this site:

gvhbikes.comgvhbikes.comOpen ↗.

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They've got a beautiful Cinelli Super Corsa in a color I like and just the right size.

I intend to equip it with a full Campy Record 10 triple group.

I want to stay with steel.

So here's my questions:

What is the reputation of Cinelli steel frames? Back in the day, they

were

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considered the very best, but is this still the case?

The guy that runs GVH Bikes appears to have had some health problems and

his

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shop is closed indefinitely. Is there another source for the Cinelli

Super

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Corsa I could turn to should I decide to purchase?

Anything else you can tell me about the Cinelli Super Corsa?

Thanks much...

"Eurastus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Many moons ago (like 24 years--back in 1979) when I first started serious

road

Quoted message said:

riding as a freshman in high school, one of the guys I rode with quite regularly had a beautiful
Cinelli with a brand new Campy Nuovo Record

group--he

Quoted message said:

even had a Cinelli saddle. What a bike. I was on a pitiful Schwinn

Traveler

Quoted message said:

III and dreamed of the day I could afford such a machine.

Well, now I can. I've been looking about for a steel framed replacement

for my

Quoted message said:

15-year-old 7-speed steed and happened into this site:

gvhbikes.comgvhbikes.comOpen ↗.

Quoted message said:

They've got a beautiful Cinelli Super Corsa in a color I like and just the right size.

I intend to equip it with a full Campy Record 10 triple group.

I want to stay with steel.

So here's my questions:

What is the reputation of Cinelli steel frames? Back in the day, they

were

Quoted message said:

considered the very best, but is this still the case?

The guy that runs GVH Bikes appears to have had some health problems and

his

Quoted message said:

shop is closed indefinitely. Is there another source for the Cinelli

Super

Quoted message said:

Corsa I could turn to should I decide to purchase?

Anything else you can tell me about the Cinelli Super Corsa?

The Cinelli Super Corsa of today is nothing like the old Cinelli you remember. I'm sorry to hear
about Gary Hobbs and hopes he recovers, but if you really want a Cinelli, contact your LBS, they're
available. However, if you want state of the art or the very best, American made lugged steel frames
are far superior to that Cinelli. The following are links to just a few of the best, there may be
one close to you:

www.richardsachs.com www.eisentraut.com www.rivendellbicycles.com cwo.com~lunarlabOpen ↗
(richard moon) columbinecycle.combikes.htmlOpen ↗

"Eurastus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Many moons ago (like 24 years--back in 1979) when I first started serious

road

Quoted message said:

riding as a freshman in high school, one of the guys I rode with quite regularly had a beautiful
Cinelli with a brand new Campy Nuovo Record

group--he

Quoted message said:

even had a Cinelli saddle. What a bike. I was on a pitiful Schwinn

Traveler

Quoted message said:

III and dreamed of the day I could afford such a machine.

Well, now I can. I've been looking about for a steel framed replacement

for my

Quoted message said:

15-year-old 7-speed steed and happened into this site:

gvhbikes.comgvhbikes.comOpen ↗.

Quoted message said:

They've got a beautiful Cinelli Super Corsa in a color I like and just the right size.

I intend to equip it with a full Campy Record 10 triple group.

I want to stay with steel.

So here's my questions:

What is the reputation of Cinelli steel frames? Back in the day, they

were

Quoted message said:

considered the very best, but is this still the case?

The guy that runs GVH Bikes appears to have had some health problems and

his

Quoted message said:

shop is closed indefinitely. Is there another source for the Cinelli

Super

Quoted message said:

Corsa I could turn to should I decide to purchase?

Anything else you can tell me about the Cinelli Super Corsa?

Thanks much...

My personal opinion as a professional bicycle person who builds these things is that Cinelli frames
are second rate. Additionally, I wouldn't put my cutting tools on any of those chromed parts (hs,
bb). You can do much better for your $900.

Must you cross-post this to so many groups?

--
Robin Hubert <[email hidden]

Eurastus said:

Many moons ago (like 24 years--back in 1979) when I first started serious road riding as a freshman
in high school, one of the guys I rode with quite regularly had a beautiful Cinelli with a brand
new Campy Nuovo Record group--he even had a Cinelli saddle. What a bike. I was on a pitiful Schwinn
Traveler III and dreamed of the day I could afford such a machine.

Quoted message said:

Well, now I can. I've been looking about for a steel framed replacement for my 15-year-old 7-speed
steed and happened into this site: gvhbikes.comgvhbikes.comOpen ↗.

Unfortunately, these are apparently not the same bikes as the 1970's bikes. I believe that the
production of Cinelli bikes left the Cinelli family sometime in the 1980's or 1990's and cinelli is
now just another corporation out to make a quickie buck.

American Cyclery, another seller of these frames, is incorrect in stating that "We bought the
remaining inventory". Cinelli is still making this frameset:

americancyclery.comindex.htmlOpen ↗
cinelli.itSUPERCORSA.htmlOpen ↗

A lot of people are critical of the modern Super Corsa, but i don't know why. Has the workmanship
gone downhill ?? Are they using inferior tubing ?? Has the geometry changed ?? If it has not
changed, has our knowledge of geometry left Cinelli in the dust ??

I'd like facts, not just opinion.

- Don "I'd like Facts" Gillies San Diego, CA

A bit off topic, but why do you want steel? I'm fairly new to biking and just wondering why anyone
would want anything BUT a good aluminum or carbon frame, price not withstanding?

I used to hang out in a shop out west that sold these same Cinelli's just a few years ago and they
were pretty nice. Chromed lugs and the works. Just depends on what you're looking for in a frame, I
guess. The racing set of today would probably not be too keen on them (no carbon, no tig welding,
etc), but for those that appreciate more traditional aesthetics, it's a pretty cool frame.

I've seen these on cbike.com for around a grand, but i bet Gary's deal is better.

Eurastus <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Many moons ago (like 24 years--back in 1979) when I first started serious road riding as a
freshman in high school, one of the guys I rode with quite regularly had a beautiful Cinelli with
a brand new Campy Nuovo Record group--he even had a Cinelli saddle. What a bike. I was on a
pitiful Schwinn Traveler III and dreamed of the day I could afford such a machine.

Well, now I can. I've been looking about for a steel framed replacement for my 15-year-old 7-speed
steed and happened into this site: gvhbikes.comgvhbikes.comOpen ↗.

They've got a beautiful Cinelli Super Corsa in a color I like and just the right size.

I intend to equip it with a full Campy Record 10 triple group.

I want to stay with steel.

So here's my questions:

What is the reputation of Cinelli steel frames? Back in the day, they were considered the very
best, but is this still the case?

The guy that runs GVH Bikes appears to have had some health problems and his shop is closed
indefinitely. Is there another source for the Cinelli Super Corsa I could turn to should I decide
to purchase?

Anything else you can tell me about the Cinelli Super Corsa?

Thanks much...

Donald Gillies said:

Eurastus said:

Many moons ago (like 24 years--back in 1979) when I first started serious road riding as a
freshman in high school, one of the guys I rode with quite regularly had a beautiful Cinelli with
a brand new Campy Nuovo Record group--he even had a Cinelli saddle. What a bike.

[snip]

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Unfortunately, these are apparently not the same bikes as the 1970's bikes. I believe that the
production of Cinelli bikes left the Cinelli family sometime in the 1980's or 1990's and cinelli
is now just another corporation out to make a quickie buck.

[snip]

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A lot of people are critical of the modern Super Corsa, but i don't know why. Has the workmanship
gone downhill ??

That's what I've been told by a few sources - more mass-produced than formerly, less time spent on
each frame. If you could examine a bare frame (e.g. see inside the BB to examine brazing), it might
tell a great deal. Maybe even a built-up frame (examine work around seat cluster).

For a lovely lugged Italian handmade with fine workmanship, you may want to consider Mondonico.

Mark Janeba

I don't race anymore, so pure performance isn't an issue. I'm looking for traditional looks,
comfort, and longevity. I've owned and raced on carbon, Ti, aluminum, and steel. I just keep coming
back to steel.

F1 said:

A bit off topic, but why do you want steel? I'm fairly new to biking and just wondering why anyone
would want anything BUT a good aluminum or carbon frame, price not withstanding?

There is nothing wrong with the "new" Cinelli Super Corsa. I have sold and built one myself and the
customer loves it! I do have one small complaint about the seat binder system but it seems to be
holding up as I have had no complaints from the above mentioned customer since he bought it 5 years
ago. Since GVH is closed indefinitly, I would be happy to match his rediculusly low price if want to
get one. brmATpolitesociety.com

Eurastus:

I would suggest checking out a Pegoretti if you want Italian steel. I have a Palosanto that I love.
Great handling & feel, and a nice light frame to boot. A little boring in the paint department but
the bikes character makes up for it.

MOO, Matt

Eurastus said:

Many moons ago (like 24 years--back in 1979) when I first started serious road riding as a freshman
in high school, one of the guys I rode with quite regularly had a beautiful Cinelli with a brand
new Campy Nuovo Record group--he even had a Cinelli saddle. What a bike. I was on a pitiful Schwinn
Traveler III and dreamed of the day I could afford such a machine.

Well, now I can. I've been looking about for a steel framed replacement for my 15-year-old 7-speed
steed and happened into this site: gvhbikes.comgvhbikes.comOpen ↗.

They've got a beautiful Cinelli Super Corsa in a color I like and just the right size.

I intend to equip it with a full Campy Record 10 triple group.

I want to stay with steel.

So here's my questions:

What is the reputation of Cinelli steel frames? Back in the day, they were considered the very
best, but is this still the case?

The guy that runs GVH Bikes appears to have had some health problems and his shop is closed
indefinitely. Is there another source for the Cinelli Super Corsa I could turn to should I decide
to purchase?

Anything else you can tell me about the Cinelli Super Corsa?

Thanks much...

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A bit off topic, but why do you want steel? I'm fairly new to biking and just wondering why anyone
would want anything BUT a good aluminum or

carbon

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frame, price not withstanding?

Mark Janeba said:

Donald Gillies said:

A lot of people are critical of the modern Super Corsa, but i don't know why. Has the workmanship
gone downhill ??

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That's what I've been told by a few sources - more mass-produced than formerly, less time spent on
each frame. If you could examine a bare frame (e.g. see inside the BB to examine brazing), it might
tell a great deal. Maybe even a built-up frame (examine work around seat cluster).

Actually, now that i think of it, i recently saw a live 1970's era cinelli headbadge, which is
simply spectacular.

classicrendezvous.comCinelli home.htmOpen ↗
classicrendezvous.comcinelli sc head.htmOpen ↗

Today's headbadge is a cheapie plastic sticker with the plain-jane .C logo. //

And i have seen what crummy finishing can do to the chroming of a set of head-tube lugs (e.g. chrome
over an orange-peel surface is not pretty, looks like wadded up tin foil, perhaps present down low
near the fork.) Also i have seen lumps in brazing around fork crown and these things are definitely
possible on a frame that is made too quickly. These imperfections were on 1970's raleigh
internationals, not on cinellis. However, for $870 you should not expect the kind of beautify and
perfection that you get in a $2200 rivendell frame with a Joe Bell paint job.

Apparently, the 1970's cinellis were much closer to today's rivendells in workmanship.

- Don Gillies San Diego, CA

I bought a Cinelli Supercorsa in 1994. It is made in Columbus SLX rather than Neuron tubing, but
otherwise looks pretty much the same as those on Gary Hobbs' site. Obviously I cannot tell if the
geometry has changed and my comments apply to my own frame. It is without a doubt the
nicest-riding steel frame I have ever been on. It combines great straight-line stability with
superb agility in corners (two characteristics that might seem to be mutually exclusive). It also
looks very classy and its appearance has held up well (albeit with a ton of TLC from me). It is
quite heavy, particularly with its '94 Chorus Ergo group and every spring I think I will take it
to the local bike swap and see what I can get for it. Foolishly, I always ride it before hauling
it off to the swap and it take only a few seconds in the saddle to make me decide to keep it for
at least another year.

Don't know if the above is any help to you, but I think you get the idea that I quite like mine.

Best wishes,

Nigel Grinter

Eurastus <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Many moons ago (like 24 years--back in 1979) when I first started serious road riding as a
freshman in high school, one of the guys I rode with quite regularly had a beautiful Cinelli with
a brand new Campy Nuovo Record group--he even had a Cinelli saddle. What a bike. I was on a
pitiful Schwinn Traveler III and dreamed of the day I could afford such a machine.

Well, now I can. I've been looking about for a steel framed replacement for my 15-year-old 7-speed
steed and happened into this site: gvhbikes.comgvhbikes.comOpen ↗.

They've got a beautiful Cinelli Super Corsa in a color I like and just the right size.

I intend to equip it with a full Campy Record 10 triple group.

I want to stay with steel.

So here's my questions:

What is the reputation of Cinelli steel frames? Back in the day, they were considered the very
best, but is this still the case?

The guy that runs GVH Bikes appears to have had some health problems and his shop is closed
indefinitely. Is there another source for the Cinelli Super Corsa I could turn to should I decide
to purchase?

Anything else you can tell me about the Cinelli Super Corsa?

Thanks much...

"Eurastus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Many moons ago (like 24 years--back in 1979) when I first started serious

road

Quoted message said:

riding as a freshman in high school, one of the guys I rode with quite regularly had a beautiful
Cinelli with a brand new Campy Nuovo Record

group--he

Quoted message said:

even had a Cinelli saddle. What a bike. I was on a pitiful Schwinn

Traveler

Quoted message said:

III and dreamed of the day I could afford such a machine.

Well, now I can. I've been looking about for a steel framed replacement

for my

Quoted message said:

15-year-old 7-speed steed and happened into this site:

gvhbikes.comgvhbikes.comOpen ↗.

Quoted message said:

They've got a beautiful Cinelli Super Corsa in a color I like and just the right size.

I intend to equip it with a full Campy Record 10 triple group.

I want to stay with steel.

So here's my questions:

What is the reputation of Cinelli steel frames? Back in the day, they

were

Quoted message said:

considered the very best, but is this still the case?

The guy that runs GVH Bikes appears to have had some health problems and

his

Quoted message said:

shop is closed indefinitely. Is there another source for the Cinelli

Super

Quoted message said:

Corsa I could turn to should I decide to purchase?

Anything else you can tell me about the Cinelli Super Corsa?

Thanks much...

My understanding was that Cinelli was acquired by the Columbus tubing company (love to hear
otherwise). I've only seen one Super Corsa less than a couple years old, and I'm saddened to say it
didn't really match the finish of the early models. Nowhere near as nice as the work on my
Mondonico, which would be my choice for a "traditional Italian lugged frame" that's still fairly
modern in its tubing choices and weight. Then again, I still ride my 19 year-old Torelli and
Paramount frames too...

TC

Eurastus said:

I don't race anymore, so pure performance isn't an issue. I'm looking for traditional looks,
comfort, and longevity. I've owned and raced on carbon, Ti, aluminum, and steel. I just keep
coming back to steel.

There are a number of manufacturers that still make high-quality lugged steel frames -- and now
make them out of better alloys than in the old days, so they will be lighter. Not as light as
carbon or aluminum, or probably even titanium, but lighter than that old Cinelli you lusted after
in your youth.

Try Independent Fabrications for one, if Rivendell is not what you are looking for.

You might also be able to find an old frame in good shape, which you could outfit however
you wanted.

--

David L. Johnson

__o | More people object to wearing fur than leather because it is _`\(,_ | safer to harrass rich
white women than motorcycle gangs. (_)/ (_) |

F1 said:

A bit off topic, but why do you want steel?

ride quality & repairability, weight often very close to other materials.

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I'm fairly new to biking and just wondering why anyone would want anything BUT a good aluminum or
carbon frame, price not withstanding?

Dude!

A Schwinn Traveler III was my first road bike too! The wheelie king is still hanging in my Dad's
shed. You have to admit that those dual lever brakes were pretty cool!

I'm a Merlin Extralight guy now. Good luck with the Cinelli!

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even had a Cinelli saddle. What a bike. I was on a pitiful Schwinn

Traveler

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III and dreamed of the day I could afford such a machine.

on 03.07.24 8:20, bfd asserted:

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The following are links to just a few of the best, there may be one close to you:

www.richardsachs.com www.eisentraut.com www.rivendellbicycles.com cwo.com~lunarlabOpen ↗
(richard moon) columbinecycle.combikes.htmlOpen ↗

I'd like to add Sacha White of Vanilla Bicycles (www.vanillabicycles.com) in Portland, OR to this
list. I sold a Waterford 1200 and Bridgestone XO-1 to get mine and I have no regrets- it almost
rivals my aluminum track bike for stiffness in acceleration. At about just over a grand for a sweet
custom frame with beautiful paint, I'd say get one now while you still can from this undiscovered
artisan. Go for a lugged stem, too- drool-worthy and stiff.

Seng

"F1" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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A bit off topic, but why do you want steel? I'm fairly new to biking and just wondering why anyone
would want anything BUT a good aluminum or carbon frame, price not withstanding?

because the bike in question looks great.

(If you're not interested in The Ultimate in Performance--or indeed, as in my case, you are utterly
incapable of any Performance whatsoever--than you're looking for the bike you can ride comfortably,
know will last forever, and gratifies your eye as much as the rest of your body when you ride. )

(I, however, can't afford nice frames like that, so.)

Because the OP might remember the racing heroes of his youth riding similar frames.

Because modern frames look too garish....

Because riding is prior to and more imporant than even racing

Because...just because.

-Luigi