Those first 10 minutes...

"DadatHome" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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The first 10 to 15 minutes of my runs are always on the uncomfortable
side. Not painful, but up until that time passes (1-2 miles) the
action
of running feels forced and not fluid. I start out rather slow and
easy
and pick up the pace little by little after a few minutes. I don't
think
I'm pushing too hard in the beginning. My breathing and pace aren't
noticeably (or at least consciously) different from several minutes
before the changeover to the rest of the run, however, after I go
beyond
this point, the effort of running becomes more comfortable and
sustainable for the rest of the run.

I believe I've read others here make a similar comment - does anyone
know the physiology of what may be taking place at that time/distance
threshold?

Did you think you would be able to get on pace from the first step? You
heart and leg muscles need some time to warm up. Much like the pitcher
in baseball, he warms up in the bullpen - so goes running.

-Doug

On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 23:32:54 -0700, DadatHome <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I believe I've read others here make a similar comment - does anyone
know the physiology of what may be taking place at that time/distance
threshold?

Yes stupid, it's called "warming up".

On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:27:54 GMT, "Doug Freese" <[email hidden]>

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Much like the pitcher

I thought you were a "catcher" Doug?

In article <[email hidden]>,

Doug Freese said:

Did you think you would be able to get on pace from the first step? You
heart and leg muscles need some time to warm up. Much like the pitcher
in baseball, he warms up in the bullpen - so goes running.

No, I don't think I should be able to hit my stride right off - what I
asked about is the physiological changes taking place at that threshold
time.

There must be some part of the system - musculoskeletal, cardiovascular,
pulmonary or something - that takes longer than the rest to get
accustomed to the exertion and then levels out. If one could identify
which is the slowest and what needs to take place prior to the threshold
then perhaps allowances or extra attention to better ramp-up may be a
benefit.

--
"Drugs like nicotine and alcohol, which do nothing for you at all,
are legal. Drugs like Mary Jane and mushrooms, two drugs that make
you realize that you're being dry humped every day of your life
by the upper 2%, are illegal. Coincidence?" -- Miss Anne Thrope

"DadatHome" <[email hidden]> wrote

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There must be some part of the system - musculoskeletal, cardiovascular,
pulmonary or something - that takes longer than the rest to get
accustomed to the exertion and then levels out. If one could identify
which is the slowest and what needs to take place prior to the threshold
then perhaps allowances or extra attention to better ramp-up may be a
benefit.

Takes me longer than 10 minutes to fully warm up.

I start very slowly (~14 min/mile) for the first minute or two, and
gradually feel better until about 30-35 minutes, when I feel as good as I'm
going to feel that day.

Typically, when I do my easy 8 mile run, I find myself accelerating from
start to finish without increasing my effort. My heartrate goes from 105 at
the start to flirting with 140 at the end.

When I ran with my elite Kenyan buddies, they also said it takes them 30
minutes to warm up.

I tend to warmup for 15-30 minutes on my harder days, depending on time
constraints. On my long run, I cheat a bit and get up to goal pace within
5-10 minutes.

-- Dan

Galloway's book has a graph of energy sources used by the body v.s.
time ran. Look at it and draw your own conclusions.

I personally think you are starting out too fast. If you are feeling
uncomfortable, stop. Start off again after 30 secs. Now for my daily
runs I rest for 30 secs after the first 1/2 mile or so. The rest of
the run is much more enjoyable. You see, unlike Donny Blowhard, I
don't see my running as a proof of my manhood. I have no qualm about
stopping whenever I wish.

"Dan Stumpus" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

"DadatHome" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

There must be some part of the system - musculoskeletal,
cardiovascular, pulmonary or something - that takes longer than the
rest to get accustomed to the exertion and then levels out. If one
could identify which is the slowest and what needs to take place
prior to the threshold then perhaps allowances or extra attention to
better ramp-up may be a benefit.

Takes me longer than 10 minutes to fully warm up.

I start very slowly (~14 min/mile) for the first minute or two, and
gradually feel better until about 30-35 minutes, when I feel as good
as I'm going to feel that day.

Typically, when I do my easy 8 mile run, I find myself accelerating
from start to finish without increasing my effort. My heartrate goes
from 105 at the start to flirting with 140 at the end.

When I ran with my elite Kenyan buddies, they also said it takes them
30 minutes to warm up.

I tend to warmup for 15-30 minutes on my harder days, depending on
time constraints. On my long run, I cheat a bit and get up to goal
pace within 5-10 minutes.

Another words, you have no idea how to answer the poster's question.

Dan Stumpus said:

When I ran with my elite Kenyan buddies

OK, you go back more than half a year with these guys
(http://tinyurl.com/dzelk) so I guess they are buddies by now. But if
in a future retelling it becomes "...as I've always taught my sons,
Paul Tergat and Haile Gebrselassie..." that'll be altogether too much.
;-)

"Charlie Pendejo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Dan Stumpus said:

When I ran with my elite Kenyan buddies

OK, you go back more than half a year with these guys
(http://tinyurl.com/dzelk) so I guess they are buddies by now. But if
in a future retelling it becomes "...as I've always taught my sons,
Paul Tergat and Haile Gebrselassie..." that'll be altogether too much.
;-)

Hey! Didn't you see me smile when I typed that?

In the future, expect something more like:

"...I was starting to breathe hard as I hit the 5k at 14:15. I noticed Ben
M. coming back to me. He must be having a bad day. I gave him a quick
"hey, Ben!" as I moved by..."

How'd you do in the mile, that cornerstone of every marathoner's training?

-- Dan

On 25 Sep 2005 07:00:07 -0700, "Charlie Pendejo" <[email hidden]>

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OK, you go back more than half a year with these guys
(http://tinyurl.com/dzelk)

Ah, Dan faked you out with his phony blog LOLOL

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I don't see my running as a proof of my manhood.

Indeed, we're all rather unimpressed with both your running and your
manhood.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted post said:

Galloway's book has a graph of energy sources used by the body v.s.
time ran. Look at it and draw your own conclusions.

I personally think you are starting out too fast. If you are feeling
uncomfortable, stop. Start off again after 30 secs. Now for my daily
runs I rest for 30 secs after the first 1/2 mile or so. The rest of
the run is much more enjoyable. You see, unlike Donny Blowhard, I
don't see my running as a proof of my manhood. I have no qualm about
stopping whenever I wish.

Thanks I'll keep in mind your suggestion to start out even slower. When
I said, uncomfortable, I don't mean painful - just not fluid in movement
or breathing, and with some overall body resistance to the exertion.

I'm wondering if it may be a hormone release that causes the easing of
the effort at the threshold time. Cortisol, adrenaline or something
having an effect on the body's systems with the result of more
efficiency or an increase of functioning for the effort.

Anyone? Bueller?

--
"Drugs like nicotine and alcohol, which do nothing for you at all,
are legal. Drugs like Mary Jane and mushrooms, two drugs that make
you realize that you're being dry humped every day of your life
by the upper 2%, are illegal. Coincidence?" -- Miss Anne Thrope

"Mark Hutchinson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> I start very
slowly (~14 min/mile) for the first minute or two, and

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Another words, you have no idea how to answer the poster's question.

Because there is no answer or better yet it is different answer for
everyone. Dan was simply offering how it works for him. For me it takes
about 5 miles. I'll be if you ask 100 people you'll get a 100 different
answers.

Tell what's the "best" way to train for 5k or marathon? What's the best
running shoe? all answered with anecdotal quotes.

-DF

DadatHome said:

The first 10 to 15 minutes of my runs are always on the uncomfortable
side. . . . does anyone
know the physiology of what may be taking place at that time/distance
threshold?

I get the same "starting out" pattern. I'm 47 years old -- a voice in the
back of my mind says it's partly old age setting in. (I have to remind
myself that before I started running I felt like that most of the time.)
The feeling of being malcoordinated can last anywhere from two to twenty
minutes. Factors affecting this include nutrition during previous day,
amount and quality of sleep, and mood. I generally walk 1/8 to 1/4 mile
then go S-L-O-W another 1/4 to 1 mile -- and usually start feeling better.

The *real* undiscovered science of this phenomenon is that my muscles
contain these, like, little guys, see, and all day most of them just lounge
around. It's like Stalag 13, and all these muscle guys are in their nice
warm bunks, see, when all of a sudden the lights go on and the guards are
shouting, "Raus! Raus! Raus! Everybody up for roll call!" -- Well it just
takes a while to make everybody turn out and fall in line. I think Noakes
calls it recruitment of muscle fiber groups or something.

Sorry for the slow reply but I have trouble getting my little muscle guys
to "raus" out sometimes! 🙂

--
Daniel
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On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:08:11 -0700, Daniel <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

DadatHome said:

The first 10 to 15 minutes of my runs are always on the uncomfortable
side. . . . does anyone
know the physiology of what may be taking place at that time/distance
threshold?

I get the same "starting out" pattern. I'm 47 years old -- a voice in the
back of my mind says it's partly old age setting in. (I have to remind
myself that before I started running I felt like that most of the time.)
The feeling of being malcoordinated can last anywhere from two to twenty
minutes. Factors affecting this include nutrition during previous day,
amount and quality of sleep, and mood. I generally walk 1/8 to 1/4 mile
then go S-L-O-W another 1/4 to 1 mile -- and usually start feeling better.

The *real* undiscovered science of this phenomenon is that my muscles
contain these, like, little guys, see, and all day most of them just lounge
around. It's like Stalag 13, and all these muscle guys are in their nice
warm bunks, see, when all of a sudden the lights go on and the guards are
shouting, "Raus! Raus! Raus! Everybody up for roll call!" -- Well it just
takes a while to make everybody turn out and fall in line. I think Noakes
calls it recruitment of muscle fiber groups or something.

Sorry for the slow reply but I have trouble getting my little muscle guys
to "raus" out sometimes! 🙂

Nazi [censored]!