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  1. Last modified Saturday, December 13, 2003 8:18 PM PST

    Wilbur and Orville Wright's great mistake

    By: ROBERT KAHN - Staff Writer

    One hundred years ago, on Dec. 17, 1903, Wilbur and Orville Wright made a big mistake. They got out
    of the bicycle business and into airplanes.

    Actually, the Wright Cycle Co. of Dayton, Ohio did not go out of business until 1907, when the U.S.
    Signal Corps put out a request for bids for a heavier-than-air flying machine. The Wright brothers
    won the bid, for $25,000, which was enough money back then for the boys to close up their bike shop.

    That's a shame. The bicycle is a much better machine than the airplane. In the history of mankind, I
    cannot think of a single case of a bicycle doing anyone harm, except an improvident rider or the
    unfortunate person the rider runs over ---- one at a time. With the exception of musical
    instruments, the bicycle may be the most human machine ever invented. The airplane is one of the
    most inhuman. The scale of the disasters the airplane made possible shows we would be better off
    without it.

    Just 14 years after Wilbur flew over Kitty Hawk, the U.S. government began the era of modern
    warfare by using planes to bomb the troops of Agusto Sandino in Nicaragua. The Fascist bombing of
    Guernica in Spain was the first time planes were used to make war upon cities, but it was the U.S.
    government that pushed the world down its first steps toward the particular hell we inhabit today.
    For 100 years we have been earnestly saving the world by inventing machines to blow it up one piece
    at a time.

    I prefer the bicycle. Apparently, it was invented in 1816 by Joseph Nicephore Niepce, who also
    invented photography, with help from Louis Daguerre. The first bicycle was made of wood and was
    missing a few things we expect on a bicycle today: pedals and a chain, for starters. The doughty
    Frenchmen called it a celeripede, and the rider sat on it and pushed himself around until he got
    tired. Englishmen called it a hobby horse.

    It took more than 20 years for someone to get around to adding pedals to it. This was Kirkpatrick
    MacMillan, of Dumfries, Scotland, who produced the first velocipede in 1840. He was arrested and
    prosecuted once for "furious driving."

    I must take issue, however, with the bicycle historians who say that MacMillan also invented the
    first comfortable bicycle seat. There is no such thing.

    It took another 25 years for the first bicycle shop to be opened, by Pierre Lallement of Paris.
    I will spare you a detailed recitation of what came next: the high-wheeler, the safety bicycle,
    the addition of the chain or drive shaft, pneumatic tires and derailleurs. But all these
    improvements came at a human pace ---- years apart, and for no other purpose than to make the
    bicycle more fun to ride.

    It is a machine fitting for intelligent chimps who have no self-control or social conscience ---- a
    machine for humans.

    By the 1890s the safety bicycle ---- with rear-wheel drive and pneumatic tires ---- became so
    popular that guys had to let women try it. The women liked it, so the bustle had to go, and so did
    whalebone corsets, though women still had to wear long skirts so guys could not see their legs, and
    so the women would have trouble keeping up.

    In 1896, Susan B. Anthony said, "The bicycle has done more for the emancipation of women than
    anything else in the world." And who am I to pick a fight with Susan B. Anthony?

    The most interesting scientific fact about the bicycle is that when you get up a head of steam its
    center of gravity is actually in front of the place where the front tire meets the road. The greater
    the angle of the front fork, the farther forward the center of gravity is. That's why you can ride a
    bike with no hands ---- because it keeps falling forward toward its center of gravity. As you slow
    down, the center of gravity comes back, and when it's behind the place where the front tire meets
    the road, you fall over. Or put a foot down.

    Well, if Wilbur and Orville hadn't done it, someone else would have done it, so we can't blame them
    for everything. By the way, Wilbur and Orville had an older brother named Reuchlin, which shows that
    Mr. and Mrs. Wright had a great sense of humor, or had none at all.

    Wilbur died of typhoid in 1912, but Orville made it until 1948. He lived to see the wonderful use to
    which we put his invention at Hiroshima. Just a few weeks ago, a group of atomic bomb survivors
    protested the National Air and Space Museum's plans to put the Enola Gay in a display of famous
    airplanes ---- as though there were something to celebrate.

    I think the atomic bomb survivors have a point. We should smash the Enola Gay into tiny pieces and
    bury it in the ocean, or shoot it into outer space with a sign on it: "If you can read this, you are
    too close." Or we could melt it down and pound it into bicycles

    nctimes.com12 13 0320 15 39.txt

  2. In rec.bicycles.misc Garrison Hilliard said:

    By: ROBERT KAHN - Staff Writer

    Quoted message said:

    I must take issue, however, with the bicycle historians who say that MacMillan also invented the
    first comfortable bicycle seat. There is no such thing.

    Mr. Kahn evidently hasn't heard of recumbents. On organized centuries, I've overheard other riders
    wishing they had one as we were headed to the finish. 🙂 For me at least, at the end of a long
    ride on either of my recumbents [1], NOTHING is sore. I might have tired legs (especially after
    100+ miles!), but nothing aches.

    I switched to the rolling lawn chairs a couple of years ago, and never looked back. Beware - they're
    addictive!

    [1] One short-wheelbase bike, one tadpole trike.

    --
    Russ [email hidden] the wabbit to despam "I've been calculating
    distances in kilometers but the elevation markers are in feet. It's a good thing I'm just trying to
    ride my bike and not launching any multi-million dollar space probes." -Kent Peterson

  3. Garrison Hilliard posted teh article:

    Quoted message said:


    Wilbur and Orville Wright's great mistake

    I liked this part a lot:

    Quoted message said:

    With the exception of musical instruments, the bicycle may be the most human machine ever
    invented.

    But what's this???

    Quoted message said:

    The most interesting scientific fact about the bicycle is that when you get up a head of steam its
    center of gravity is actually in front of the place where the front tire meets the road. The
    greater the angle of the front fork, the farther forward the center of gravity is. That's why you
    can ride a bike with no hands ---- because it keeps falling forward toward its center of gravity.
    As you slow down, the center of gravity comes back, and when it's behind the place where the front
    tire meets the road, you fall over. Or put a foot down.

    Whew!! That's a contender for the most nonsensical thing I've ever seen published!

    Journalism majors don't take Physics, do they?

    Quoted message said:

    nctimes.com12 13 0320 15 39.txt

    --
    Frank Krygowski [To reply, omit what's between "at" and "cc"]

  4. On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 02:47:44 +0000, Garrison Hilliard
    <[email hidden]> quoted ROBERT KAHN thusly:

    Quoted message said:

    The most interesting scientific fact about the bicycle is that when you get up a head of steam its
    center of gravity is actually in front of the place where the front tire meets the road. The
    greater the angle of the front fork, the farther forward the center of gravity is. That's why you
    can ride a bike with no hands ---- because it keeps falling forward toward its center of gravity.
    As you slow down, the center of gravity comes back, and when it's behind the place where the front
    tire meets the road, you fall over. Or put a foot down.

    What an utter and complete crock! A little attitudinal licentiousness I can forgive, but this is
    so far over the edge into nonsense that one has to wonder if the author has ever had a basic
    science course.

    --
    My email address is antispammed; pull WEEDS if replying via e-mail.
    Yes, I have a killfile. If I don't respond to something,
    it's also possible that I'm busy.
    Words processed in a facility that contains nuts.

  5. Quoted message said:

    With the exception of musical instruments, the bicycle may be the most human machine ever
    invented. The airplane is one of the most inhuman. The scale of the disasters the airplane made
    possible shows we would be better off without it.

    =v= I can vouch for this. There was a bicycle show at the World Trade Center in Spring, 2001.
    People rode bikes around, some clumsily. I personally collided with the building, and it didn't
    fall down. <_Jym_

  6. 17 Dec 2003 02:47:44 +0000 Garrison Hilliard said:

    Last modified Saturday, December 13, 2003 8:18 PM PST

    Wilbur and Orville Wright's great mistake

    By: ROBERT KAHN - Staff Writer

    One hundred years ago, on Dec. 17, 1903, Wilbur and Orville Wright made a big mistake. They got out
    of the bicycle business and into airplanes.

    I appreciate the sentiment, but there are some rather huge mistakes of fact here. Others may have
    pointed out differences of opinion, too.

    Quoted message said:

    I will spare you a detailed recitation of what came next: the high-wheeler, the safety bicycle,
    the addition of the chain or drive shaft, pneumatic tires and derailleurs. But all these
    improvements came at a human pace ---- years apart, and for no other purpose than to make the
    bicycle more fun to ride.

    This ignores the fact that the bicycle is a major source of pragmatic transportation for people and
    goods for a majority of the people of the world. It is only in the 1st world countries where the
    bicycle is seen as only a recreational product.

    Quoted message said:

    The most interesting scientific fact about the bicycle is that when you get up a head of steam its
    center of gravity is actually in front of the place where the front tire meets the road. The
    greater the angle of the front fork, the farther forward the center of gravity is. That's why you
    can ride a bike with no hands ---- because it keeps falling forward toward its center of gravity.
    As you slow down, the center of gravity comes back, and when it's behind the place where the front
    tire meets the road, you fall over. Or put a foot down.

    Pure BS. I can't imagine where anyone would come up with such a rediculous statement and then think
    to refer to it as "scientific fact."

    -
    -----------------------------------------------
    Jim Adney [email hidden] Madison, WI 53711 USA
    -----------------------------------------------

  7. "frkrygow" <"frkrygow"@omitcc.ysu.edu> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Garrison Hilliard posted teh article:

    Quoted message said:


    Wilbur and Orville Wright's great mistake

    I liked this part a lot:

    Quoted message said:

    With the exception of musical instruments, the bicycle may be the most human machine ever
    invented.

    But what's this???

    Quoted message said:

    The most interesting scientific fact about the bicycle is that when you


    get up a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    head of steam its center of gravity is actually in front of the place


    where the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    front tire meets the road. The greater the angle of the front fork, the


    farther

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    forward the center of gravity is. That's why you can ride a bike with no


    hands

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ---- because it keeps falling forward toward its center of gravity. As


    you slow

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    down, the center of gravity comes back, and when it's behind the place


    where the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    front tire meets the road, you fall over. Or put a foot down.

    Whew!! That's a contender for the most nonsensical thing I've ever seen published!

    Journalism majors don't take Physics, do they?

    The nonsensical things in this story began far before that remark. "In the history of mankind, I
    cannot think of a single case of a bicycle doing anyone harm ... " Of course you can't. It's an
    object. So is an airplane. On their own, neither the bicycle, nor the airplane are capable of doing
    anyone harm. The problem is with mankind, not with the machine. But it's typical that someone would
    project the sinister deeds of man IN a plane onto the plane.

    Anyone who buys into this drivel must be mindless. Watch Discovery Wings on cable or satellite TV,
    or read a book about the Wright Brothers' achievement. It's really quite remarkable. Stunningly
    remarkable. It's not just a story of incredible ingenuity, but also one of remarkable determination
    and commitment to excellence.

    I was a journalism major in college. Fortunately, I decided to get a real life and to really achieve
    something instead of just retelling the achievements of others ... or just tearing them down.

    Bob C.

  8. "Werehatrack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 02:47:44 +0000, Garrison Hilliard <[email hidden]> quoted ROBERT
    KAHN thusly:

    Quoted message said:

    The most interesting scientific fact about the bicycle is that when you


    get up a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    head of steam its center of gravity is actually in front of the place


    where the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    front tire meets the road. The greater the angle of the front fork, the


    farther

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    forward the center of gravity is. That's why you can ride a bike with no


    hands

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ---- because it keeps falling forward toward its center of gravity. As


    you slow

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    down, the center of gravity comes back, and when it's behind the place


    where the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    front tire meets the road, you fall over. Or put a foot down.

    What an utter and complete crock!

    Along with a few other of the writers comments.

    Pete

  9. "frkrygow" <"frkrygow"@omitcc.ysu.edu> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Garrison Hilliard posted teh article:

    Quoted message said:


    Wilbur and Orville Wright's great mistake

    I liked this part a lot:

    Quoted message said:

    With the exception of musical instruments, the bicycle may be the most human machine ever
    invented.

    But what's this???

    Quoted message said:

    The most interesting scientific fact about the bicycle is that when you get up a head of steam
    its center of gravity is actually in front of the place where the front tire meets the road. The
    greater the angle of the front fork, the farther forward the center of gravity is. That's why
    you can ride a bike with no hands ---- because it keeps falling forward toward its center of
    gravity. As you slow down, the center of gravity comes back, and when it's behind the place
    where the front tire meets the road, you fall over. Or put a foot down.

    Whew!! That's a contender for the most nonsensical thing I've ever seen published!

    Journalism majors don't take Physics, do they?

    Quoted message said:

    nctimes.com12 13 0320 15 39.txt

    Dear Frank,

    But it's a "scientific fact"!

    Now we know the secret to no-hands riding that Jobst Brandt has been hiding from us for years--you
    just keep your center of gravity in front of the place where your front tire meets the road.

    Naturally, I want lots of measurements of how large "a head of steam" is needed before this happens.

    Here's a fixed-gear rider showing how to ride no-hands by trying to get his center of gravity ahead
    of his front tire's contact patch:

    oldskooltrack.comskids.frame.html

    Carl Fogel

  10. "Jym Dyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    With the exception of musical instruments, the bicycle may be the most human machine ever
    invented. The airplane is one of the most inhuman. The scale of the disasters the airplane made
    possible shows we would be better off without it.

    =v= I can vouch for this. There was a bicycle show at the World Trade Center in Spring, 2001.
    People rode bikes around, some clumsily. I personally collided with the building, and it didn't
    fall down. <_Jym_>

    This post is sick and twisted. Your computer is an evil, infernal contraption for facilitating such
    a post! Clearly, the adding machine is a better machine because it wouldn't have allowed you to
    express such a thought.

    Bob C.

  11. In rec.bicycles.misc psycholist <[email hidden]> wrote:

    : The nonsensical things in this story began far before that remark. "In the history of mankind, I
    : cannot think of a single case of a bicycle doing anyone harm ... " Of course you can't. It's an
    : object. So is an airplane. On their own, neither the bicycle, nor the airplane are capable of
    : doing anyone harm. The problem is with mankind, not with the machine. But it's typical that
    : someone would project the sinister deeds of man IN a plane onto the plane.

    Yup, it's obviously just liberal nonsense. Easily countered with a rational NRA-style argument. 😉

    FWIW the bicycle is also used by the military.

    --
    Risto Varanka | helsinki.fi~rvaranka [email hidden]

  12. "psycholist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "frkrygow" <"frkrygow"@omitcc.ysu.edu> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Garrison Hilliard posted teh article:

    Quoted message said:


    Wilbur and Orville Wright's great mistake

    I liked this part a lot:

    Quoted message said:

    With the exception of musical instruments, the bicycle may be the most human machine ever
    invented.

    But what's this???

    Quoted message said:

    The most interesting scientific fact about the bicycle is that when


    you

    Quoted message said:

    get up a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    head of steam its center of gravity is actually in front of the place


    where the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    front tire meets the road. The greater the angle of the front fork,


    the

    Quoted message said:

    farther

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    forward the center of gravity is. That's why you can ride a bike with


    no

    Quoted message said:

    hands

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ---- because it keeps falling forward toward its center of gravity. As


    you slow

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    down, the center of gravity comes back, and when it's behind the place


    where the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    front tire meets the road, you fall over. Or put a foot down.

    Whew!! That's a contender for the most nonsensical thing I've ever seen published!

    Journalism majors don't take Physics, do they?

    The nonsensical things in this story began far before that remark. "In


    the

    Quoted message said:

    history of mankind, I cannot think of a single case of a bicycle doing anyone harm ... " Of course
    you can't. It's an object. So is an


    airplane.

    I don't know about that...

    "KANDAHAR, Afghanistan (CNN) -- A bicycle carried a bomb that exploded in the main square of the
    southern Afghanistan city of Kandahar, wounding at least 15 people, police in the city say. "

    cnn.comafghan.blast

    Do a Google search on "bicycle bomb". Dark humor aside, your point is correct. It's how man uses his
    technology either for good or harm.

    Mike

  13. On 16 Dec 2003 22:38:00 -0800, [email hidden] (Carl Fogel)

    Quoted message said:

    Here's a fixed-gear rider showing how to ride no-hands by trying to get his center of gravity ahead
    of his front tire's contact patch:

    oldskooltrack.comskids.frame.html

    No fair! He's steering with his thighs...

    Quoted message said:

    Carl Fogel


    --
    Rick "Steer a _fixie_ with your thighs?" Onanian

  14. "Carl Fogel" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    Here's a fixed-gear rider showing how to ride no-hands by trying to get his center of gravity
    ahead of his front tire's contact patch:

    oldskooltrack.comskids.frame.html

    If you look really closely, you can see how much the front wheel is loaded by the difference in
    contact patch size.

    Pete

  15. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In rec.bicycles.misc psycholist <[email hidden]> wrote:

    : The nonsensical things in this story began far before that remark. "In


    the

    Quoted message said:

    : history of mankind, I cannot think of a single case of a bicycle doing anyone harm ... " Of
    : course you can't. It's an object. So is an


    airplane.

    Quoted message said:

    : On their own, neither the bicycle, nor the airplane are capable of doing anyone harm. The
    : problem is with mankind, not with the machine. But


    it's

    Quoted message said:

    : typical that someone would project the sinister deeds of man IN a plane


    onto

    Quoted message said:

    : the plane.

    Yup, it's obviously just liberal nonsense. Easily countered with a rational NRA-style argument. 😉

    FWIW the bicycle is also used by the military.

    --
    Risto Varanka | helsinki.fi~rvaranka [email hidden]

    Funny you mention it. I had another paragraph in that post where I likened blaming planes for
    bombings to people suing gun manufacturers, etc. I deleted it 'cuz I didn't want my post to sound
    like an NRA-style argument.

    And yes, you're right. Bicycles were used in the military. There's a display about it at Fort
    Benning, GA. I believe the Chinese and the Vietnamese have also made significant military use of
    the bicycle.

    Bob C.

  16. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Pete said:
    Quoted message said:

    What an utter and complete crock!

    Along with a few other of the writers comments.

    At least this Robert Kahn guy talked nice about bikes, instead of railing about how they should stop
    blocking traffic and get off the road.

    cheers, Tom

    --
    -- Powered by FreeBSD Above address is just a spam midden. I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn
    [point] bc [point] ca

  17. psycholist <[email hidden]> wrote:

    : And yes, you're right. Bicycles were used in the military. There's a display about it at Fort
    : Benning, GA. I believe the Chinese and the Vietnamese have also made significant military use of
    : the bicycle.

    I recall there recently was a link to some full-suspension easily packable MTB designed to be used
    by US Rangers. The bikes that .fi military uses are quite different from that...

    --
    Risto Varanka | helsinki.fi~rvaranka [email hidden]

  18. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    psycholist <[email hidden]> wrote:

    : And yes, you're right. Bicycles were used in the military. There's a display about it at Fort
    : Benning, GA. I believe the Chinese and the Vietnamese have also made significant military use of
    : the bicycle.

    I recall there recently was a link to some full-suspension easily packable MTB designed to be used
    by US Rangers.

    I believe that's by a company that *would like* the US military to use their bikes. Evidently, no
    interest yet.

    Pete

  19. Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:31:31 -0600,
    <[email hidden]>, Jim Adney

    Quoted message said:

    It is only in the 1st world countries where the bicycle is seen as only a recreational product.

    The Wright's stated purpose of flight was for "sport". They almost got into cars but cycling had
    already whetted their taste for freedom. It was mostly the train guys who turned to cars while the
    bike guys went into aircraft and motorcycles.
    --
    zk

  20. "Tom Keats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    In article said:
    Quoted message said:

    What an utter and complete crock!

    Along with a few other of the writers comments.

    At least this Robert Kahn guy talked nice about bikes, instead of railing about how they should
    stop blocking traffic and get off the road.

    Talking nice about bikes does not make up for other idiocy.

    Pete

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