This isn't right!

Joe King said:

And, was the train driver a Swiss dude?

Dumbass,
No it was the aliens again.

who says the red lights weren't already on when Cancellara passed there.

Now THAT is a really good point. At that point he was only 40 seconds
ahead of the chase group. The guards came down as they approached
meaning that the lights would only have had to be on for 30 seconds
which sounds about right for a high speed train line.

Tom Kunich said:

Now THAT is a really good point. At that point he was only 40 seconds
ahead of the chase group. The guards came down as they approached
meaning that the lights would only have had to be on for 30 seconds
which sounds about right for a high speed train line.

a local french newspaper (La Voix du Nord) did the following
investigation: they went to the point of the incident today and timed
the average time between the first announcement of a train (sound
signal, at this point in time it is obliged by law to stop) and the
actual arrival of a train. In total they observed 9 trains. Result:
average time 36 seconds; variation: only 3 seconds;

Cancellara had according to the GPS indicated by the french TV at the
point of crossing the railway 31 seconds advantage on the Hoste group.

Conclusion: at the time Cancellara was crossing the railway most
probably the sound signal was active (someone can calculate this
probability?) and thereby Cancellare vioalted the road code and should
be disqualified.

Of course this is riduculous....as I stated earlier, I disagree with the
disqualifcation.

Liesje

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Quoted message said:

Tom Kunich said:

Now THAT is a really good point. At that point he was only 40 seconds
ahead of the chase group. The guards came down as they approached
meaning that the lights would only have had to be on for 30 seconds
which sounds about right for a high speed train line.

a local french newspaper (La Voix du Nord) did the following
investigation: they went to the point of the incident today and timed the
average time between the first announcement of a train (sound signal, at
this point in time it is obliged by law to stop) and the actual arrival of
a train. In total they observed 9 trains. Result: average time 36 seconds;
variation: only 3 seconds;

Cancellara had according to the GPS indicated by the french TV at the
point of crossing the railway 31 seconds advantage on the Hoste group.

Conclusion: at the time Cancellara was crossing the railway most probably
the sound signal was active (someone can calculate this probability?) and
thereby Cancellare vioalted the road code and should be disqualified.

Of course this is riduculous....as I stated earlier, I disagree with the
disqualifcation.

Liesje

Guesdon is going to get that second PR win yet.

annelies said:

Cancellara had according to the GPS indicated by the french TV at the
point of crossing the railway 31 seconds advantage on the Hoste group.

I checked my recording and the gap was bigger. 36 seconds before the
train crossed the road, Cancellara was at least 100 meters - I would
guess rather 200 meters up the road. I almost missed the incident as a
commercial break ended exactly then, 36 seconds before the train
crossing...

Quoted message said:

Conclusion: at the time Cancellara was crossing the railway most
probably the sound signal was active (someone can calculate this
probability?) and thereby Cancellare vioalted the road code and should
be disqualified.

Of course this is riduculous....as I stated earlier, I disagree with the
disqualifcation.

Back when France had riders capable of winning TdF, I can remember the
jokes about the A.S.O having trains parked in various places around
the courses, just for this purpose, in case a Frenchman got away...
:-) But I can't remember any particular incident, though.

Cheers,
Kjell Arne
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Kjell Arne Olsen said:

Quoted message said:

Of course this is riduculous....as I stated earlier, I disagree with the
disqualifcation.

Back when France had riders capable of winning TdF, I can remember the
jokes about the A.S.O having trains parked in various places around
the courses, just for this purpose, in case a Frenchman got away...
:-) But I can't remember any particular incident, though.

In the Tour of Spain, in 1985, the day Delgado took 5 minutes on Robert
Millar to win the GC, the Scot complained his group was stopped by a
train barrier by a train never crossed.

In Italy, well, here you can see Coppi in action in his way to win the
Giro dell'Appennino and the Italian National Championship in 1955
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5680/scansione00095xl.jpg

Jenko

Kjell Arne Olsen said:

Quoted message said:

Of course this is riduculous....as I stated earlier, I disagree with the
disqualifcation.

Back when France had riders capable of winning TdF, I can remember the
jokes about the A.S.O having trains parked in various places around
the courses, just for this purpose, in case a Frenchman got away...
:-) But I can't remember any particular incident, though.

In the Tour of Spain, in 1985, the day Delgado took 5 minutes on Robert
Millar to win the GC, the Scot complained his group was stopped by a
train barrier by a train never crossed.

In Italy, well, here you can see Coppi in action in his way to win the
Giro dell'Appennino and the Italian National Championship in 1955
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5680/scansione00095xl.jpg

Jenko

Kjell Arne Olsen said:

Quoted message said:

Of course this is riduculous....as I stated earlier, I disagree with the
disqualifcation.

Back when France had riders capable of winning TdF, I can remember the
jokes about the A.S.O having trains parked in various places around
the courses, just for this purpose, in case a Frenchman got away...
:-) But I can't remember any particular incident, though.

In the Tour of Spain, in 1985, the day Delgado took 5 minutes on Robert
Millar to win the GC, the Scot complained his group was stopped by a
train barrier by a train never crossed.

In Italy, well, here you can see Coppi in action in his way to win the
Giro dell'Appennino and the Italian National Championship in 1955
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5680/scansione00095xl.jpg

Jenko

Jenko said:

In Italy, well, here you can see Coppi in action in his way to win the
Giro dell'Appennino and the Italian National Championship in 1955
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5680/scansione00095xl.jpg

I love it.

JT

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Jenko said:

In the Tour of Spain, in 1985, the day Delgado took 5 minutes on Robert
Millar to win the GC, the Scot complained his group was stopped by a
train barrier by a train never crossed.

Must have been this train:
http://www.wowzone.com/s-train.htm

Joe King said:

Boonen, Ballan, and Flecha should be disqualified too. Note in the picture
below that the train crossing barrier is still not up. What's the UCI
safety ruling in this regard? And, was the train driver a Swiss dude? I
understand this is partially the result of the race speed. They got to the
train crossing sooner than anticipated.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2006/apr06/roubaix06/index.php?id=Par704042

Boonen, Ballan and Flecha derived no meaningful
advantage from crossing at this point before the
barrier went up (Maybe they got an extra 5 secs,
but the group behind them was much further back).
The commissaires have the option not to penalize
if no advantage is gained (I hate to bring up retired
racers, but remember when LANCE cut the course
after Beloki crashed, and the commissaires issued
no penalty because he didn't gain an advantage?)
Hoste, van Petegem, and Gussev did derive a
meaningful advantage from their crossing. It's still
kind of chickenshit to penalize them, but there is a
difference.

Jenko said:

In Italy, well, here you can see Coppi in action in his way to win the
Giro dell'Appennino and the Italian National Championship in 1955
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5680/scansione00095xl.jpg

ROTFL!

Cheers,
Kjell Arne
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Not to put too fine a point on it but they didn't forgive him for
"gaining no advantage" but from being otherwise disadvantaged.

Not to put too fine a point on it but they didn't forgive him for
"gaining no advantage" but from being otherwise disadvantaged.

Tom Kunich said:

[LANCE cutting course]
Not to put too fine a point on it but they didn't forgive him for
"gaining no advantage" but from being otherwise disadvantaged.

Normally I dislike the figure of speech "Not to put too fine
a point on it," because it's a passive aggressive way of
saying you're correcting something irrelevant while
pretending you're not nitpicking. But with you, Tom, I like
it because it's a useful signal that you're even more
full of BS than usual.

Quoted message said:

From http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/?id=2003/jul03/jul15news1

Armstrong not penalised for cutting course

Lance Armstrong's improvised cross country manoeuvre to
avoid the fallen Joseba Beloki in today's stage 9 did not earn
him a penalty from the race jury. Despite "not completing the
entire course", Armstrong's cutting out of a section of road did
not give him any advantage over his competitors.

What did you expect them to write? That was a court judgement and had
to be couched in terms of the rules and not WHY it was done.