Thinking of getting a Brompton...

In message <[email hidden]>, Pyromancer
<[email hidden]> writes

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Following a link from a post on uk,railway, I'm now seriously thinking about getting a Brompton,
probably a T6.

Jolly good idea :-)

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Background: I live in Sheffield, and work in Leeds,

I used to do the reverse with my Brommie - Leeds (Bramley) to Sheffield Hallam Uni.

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I'm moving in a few months to a flat within sight of Sheffield Midland station, and had wondered
about getting a cheap second hand bike[1] to keep chained up in the station at Leeds, and using it
to ride to and from the office (should take about 10 minutes), but I suspect it would either get
stolen eventually, or the TOCs/NR would object to its semi-permanent presence at Leeds station.

I don't think they really care - I've notice bikes chained up at stations for such purposes, but
YMMV :-) Of the folders the Brompton certainly is the best for this because of it's compact folded
size and quick fold.

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I noted from old posts people saying the Brompton frame was a bit "flexible" - is this liable to be
a problem?

By it's nature and design the Brommie is a bit more flexible - not so much the frame I think, but
the stem/handlebars - it's one fo the compromises necessary for a compact quick folding bike. It's
not a problem for me.

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When not commuting I'm liable to ride both on and off road, canal towpaths, cycle paths, etc.
While not overweight I'm 6'tall and well built, is the Brompton likely to be up to me using it
intensively? I could keep it just for on-road use and get a cheap heavyweight MTB for the
rougher stuff.

Though people have ridden Bromptons in the most unlikely of places and for long distances,
personally I don't like to ride it for to long as it does get uncomfortable for me probably about 5
miles, certainly no more than 10.

It's fine on towpaths and other such light 'off road' but it's not designed for and doesn't really
perform on more serious rough terrain. I would look to an MTB for proper off road use.

I did find the Brompton pannier that mounts on the front useful for carry stuff back and forward.

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[1] Until a couple of weeks ago I had a 10 quid bright yellow MTB, which was solid if not exactly
elegant. Was chained to a staple outside the house, and some gloid stole not just the bike but
the chain and staple too. :-(

Bummer, but at least you now have an excuse to by more bikes :-)
--
Chris French, Leeds

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I noted from old posts people saying the Brompton frame was a bit "flexible" - is this liable to
be a problem? When not commuting I'm liable to ride both on and off road, canal towpaths, cycle
paths, etc. While not overweight I'm 6'tall and well built, is the Brompton likely to be up to me
using it intensively? I could keep it just for on-road use and get a cheap heavyweight MTB for the
rougher stuff.

The Brompton is certainly "responsive". canal towpaths and cycle paths will be fine. Off road will
depend on how off road. The small wheels obviously don't cope with the sort of off road a 26"
wheel would.

Being in Sheffield and Leeds you might want to consider whether you need a reduced gear T6. I use my
Brompton (T5) in Newcastle and Durham and the lower gears really help compared to the standard T5.

Colin

It will do all you want but it may be worth going for the 11% reduced gearing, and schwalbe marathon
tyres. That's the combination I bought and its been great for exactly the sort of terrain that you
are describing, but not "real" off road cos it's only got little wheels! With a simple change of
saddle and small bar ends my bike is comfortable for up to 30 miles. Last thing I did to mine was to
fit a Pantour sus. front hub, a bit expensive but it made a big difference on the rough.

Good luck SW

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Bright Greetings!

Following a link from a post on uk,railway, I'm now seriously thinking about getting a Brompton,
probably a T6. I'd heard of "folding bikes" before, but never really paid much attention, however
having had a good look round the websites (and read some old threads from this ng on Google), I
think perhaps this will be the answer to my requirements.

Does anyone have any up-to-date advice, comments or anecdotes, good or bad, about the Brompton?

Background: I live in Sheffield, and work in Leeds, and currently drive from home to the office,
which takes about 45 minutes each way. I've done it by car / train / walk before, however that
takes over 2 hours from where I live now - 15 minutes car to Meadowhall, 1 hour 20 mins on train
to Leeds, and a half-hour hike from Leeds City Station to the office.

I'm moving in a few months to a flat within sight of Sheffield Midland station, and had wondered
about getting a cheap second hand bike[1] to keep chained up in the station at Leeds, and using it
to ride to and from the office (should take about 10 minutes), but I suspect it would either get
stolen eventually, or the TOCs/NR would object to its semi-permanent presence at Leeds station.
Living in central Sheffield instead of out here in the sticks will mean I can use the Virgin
trains, which take 45 minutes to Leeds, rather than the every-lamp-post-and-blade-of-grass
stoppers I can catch at Meadowhall.

I've been cycling off and on for over 20 years, including commuting to work in Glasgow, and
all-day riding in Scotland where I grew up. I want to cycle partly to make the commute by train
more practical, and partly to keep fit. I also enjoy driving and touring by car, but would like
the option to jump on a bike and go exploring after driving somewhere, again the Brompton would
appear ideal for this, and a lot better than having an MTB dangling on a carrier off the boot.

I noted from old posts people saying the Brompton frame was a bit "flexible" - is this liable to
be a problem? When not commuting I'm liable to ride both on and off road, canal towpaths, cycle
paths, etc. While not overweight I'm 6'tall and well built, is the Brompton likely to be up to me
using it intensively? I could keep it just for on-road use and get a cheap heavyweight MTB for the
rougher stuff.

[1] Until a couple of weeks ago I had a 10 quid bright yellow MTB, which was solid if not exactly
elegant. Was chained to a staple outside the house, and some gloid stole not just the bike but
the chain and staple too. :-(

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HE HE! can we start a Goths on a bike thread :-)

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Bright Greetings!

Hello, Though I recognised the name, I'm a sometime poster/permanent lurker on UPG, EX DJ at
Snakebite and black in Newcastle & guitarist for Athamay, you atill probably don't know me but ya
enever know :-)

I'm afraid that I can't really comment on the brompton as I've never used one, but there is one
here at the cycle lock-up at work & it looks solidly & very well built. The guy who rides it loves
it to death.

The bike is certainly fit for your comuting needs, but I wouldn't want to chance it off the road.
Obviously the small wheel size is an issue with speed if ya in a hurry but apart from that why not
go for it.

As for chaining it to a the railings at the station, I'm sure it's feasable & it certainly
takes place from the looks of all the forgotten looking bycicles outside of Newcastle station.
I would have a good look beside the station in the car park as up here there are some red
plastic cycle locker things, which can be hired daily of monthly, there may be something like
that at Leeds station.

I would IMHO also spend 200 notes ish on a hardtail MTB for your recreational (Poss last years model
in a sale!), I'm sure some people on here will go "£200 on a bike far too little", but if you look
carefully you can get a surpisingly good frame on a bike if you shop around. This is also ripe for
the upgrade as compenents wear out/break*, depening on how much you ride/ abuse it of course..

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A fantastic band indeed!!!

Phil

*My current project is a 2002 Claude Butler Rock, which was picked up in a sale so far it's only had
new tires & a Marzocchi MX Comp air fork added to it & it handles far smoother and slicker than my
mates Specialised or Trek bike which cost 3 times the amount I paid for this, the frame is class!

Pyromancer said:

Bright Greetings!

Following a link from a post on uk,railway, I'm now seriously thinking about getting a Brompton,
probably a T6. I'd heard of "folding bikes" before, but never really paid much attention, however
having had a good look round the websites (and read some old threads from this ng on Google), I
think perhaps this will be the answer to my requirements.

Does anyone have any up-to-date advice, comments or anecdotes, good or bad, about the Brompton?

I am also thinking of getting a Brompton. I am changing jobs in a few weeks and rather than my 8
mile Watford->Hemel I'm now going to have a 20 mile Watford->London.

Unfortunately, there are no showers at the new job so I doubt that the ride in is feasible, at least
initially. I know there were showers at Kings Cross (at 3GBP IIRC) and I may be able to find a gym
where I could shower but I am anticipating train Watford->Euston, cycle from Euston and then
hopefully bike all the way home again in the evening.

One of the things I would like is a hub dynamo but I can't work out whether this is an after
purchase mod (including widening the forks) or whether it is an option.

Of course, if I can get into the habit of cycling both ways then that will save me 2000GBP/year
train costs which can then be spend on "alternative transport" :-)

Regards,

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Tim Woodall said:

One of the things I would like is a hub dynamo but I can't work out whether this is an after
purchase mod (including widening the forks) or whether it is an option.

AFAIK, while SON were reputed to be working on a Brompton version, it has so far not materialised.
It /can/ be done, though; Darth Ben at Kinetics has done it for an Ian:
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Pyromancer said:

Does anyone have any up-to-date advice, comments or anecdotes, good or bad, about the Brompton?

I am also thinking of getting a Brompton. I am changing jobs in a few weeks and rather than my 8
mile Watford->Hemel I'm now going to have a 20 mile Watford->London.

Unfortunately, there are no showers at the new job so I doubt that the ride in is feasible, at
least initially.

Personally I don't find showers essential, it's nice, but I can manage without.

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but I am anticipating train Watford->Euston, cycle from Euston and then hopefully bike all the way
home again in the evening.

I would not like to cycle 20 miles everyday on my Brompton, but YMMV.

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Of course, if I can get into the habit of cycling both ways then that will save me 2000GBP/year
train costs which can then be spend on "alternative transport" :-)

I find 20 miles each way is just too far for a commute for me - not so much the distance as the
time it takes.

If I wanted to train in and bike home I think I'd look at something with less folding, but better
cycling ability - a Birdy say?
--
Chris French, Leeds

In message <MPG.1989a7cee4d753be989b44@localhost>, Colin Blackburn
<[email hidden]> writes

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In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
says... [...]

Quoted message said:

I noted from old posts people saying the Brompton frame was a bit "flexible" - is this liable to
be a problem?

Quoted message said:

Being in Sheffield and Leeds you might want to consider whether you need a reduced gear T6. I
use my Brompton (T5) in Newcastle and Durham and the lower gears really help compared to the
standard T5.

Yes, I recommend that, my T5 has the reduced gearing.
--
Chris French, Leeds

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 09:14:31 +0000 (UTC) someone who may be Tim Woodall <[email hidden]>
wrote this:-

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One of the things I would like is a hub dynamo but I can't work out whether this is an after
purchase mod (including widening the forks) or whether it is an option.

It's not a standard option. However, Kinetics fit them and would no doubt be delighted to give you a
price for a new bike with one fitted.

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On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 03:24:19 +0100 someone who may be Pyromancer
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

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I'm moving in a few months to a flat within sight of Sheffield Midland station,

Then you can store your Brompton in the flat and not worry so much about it being stolen.

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I can use the Virgin trains,

They fit in the luggage racks of the old and new trains. They also fit between seat backs, if you
can find one.

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I also enjoy driving and touring by car, but would like the option to jump on a bike and go
exploring after driving somewhere, again the Brompton would appear ideal for this,

You might want to consider the Birdy for such things. It doesn't fold as small or as fast as the
Brompton, so isn't as good for daily journeys. However it might be more fun for leisure use.

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is the Brompton likely to be up to me using it intensively?

It is well made and will last for a long time. Everything wears out though and you will need to
replace parts from time to time.

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David Hansen said:

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 09:14:31 +0000 (UTC) someone who may be Tim Woodall <[email hidden]>
wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

One of the things I would like is a hub dynamo but I can't work out whether this is an after
purchase mod (including widening the forks) or whether it is an option.

It's not a standard option. However, Kinetics fit them and would no doubt be delighted to give you
a price for a new bike with one fitted.

Thanks for that, I'm just having a look at their website now.

The only think that puts me off is EVERY page opening a new browser windows to www.macromedia.com
with a message "We are unable to locate a Web player that matches your platform and browser"

Tim.

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In message <MPG.1989a7cee4d753be989b44@localhost>, Colin Blackburn
<[email hidden]> writes

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Being in Sheffield and Leeds you might want to consider whether you need a reduced gear T6. I
use my Brompton (T5) in Newcastle and Durham and the lower gears really help compared to the
standard T5.

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Yes, I recommend that, my T5 has the reduced gearing.

I noticed the references to reduced gearing and did wonder if it would be a good idea. The only
problem being I also like to go fast when possible, but I'll probably take practicality over
speed. Ta!

Was a bit of a shock to find Strummy-Archer had gone to the wall, though!

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Upon the miasma of midnight, a darkling spirit identified as chris French
<[email hidden]> breathed:

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In message <MPG.1989a7cee4d753be989b44@localhost>, Colin Blackburn
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Being in Sheffield and Leeds you might want to consider whether you need a reduced gear T6. I
use my Brompton (T5) in Newcastle and Durham and the lower gears really help compared to the
standard T5.

Quoted message said:

Yes, I recommend that, my T5 has the reduced gearing.

I noticed the references to reduced gearing and did wonder if it would be a good idea. The only
problem being I also like to go fast when possible, but I'll probably take practicality over
speed. Ta!

Yes, I spin out on the descents but I'd rather that than having to get off and walk the ascents.

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Was a bit of a shock to find Strummy-Archer had gone to the wall, though!

Well, they've gone to Japan I guess. New products imminent.

Colin

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 12:28:51 +0000 (UTC) someone who may be Tim Woodall <[email hidden]>
wrote this:-

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It's not a standard option. However, Kinetics fit them and would no doubt be delighted to give
you a price for a new bike with one fitted.

The only think that puts me off is EVERY page opening a new browser windows to www.macromedia.com
with a message "We are unable to locate a Web player that matches your platform and browser"

I suggest you tell them about this and how it stopped you ordering a bike from them.

I don't know about others that do these options. Phoenix Cycles and Avon Valley Cyclery might do
them. A to B Magazine has adverts for folding bike retailers and I believe does a one-off
"subscription", essentially for a sample magazine.

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HE HE! can we start a Goths on a bike thread :-)

LOL! Once I'd sorted out the technical issues, the next item on the agenda is obviously what
colour(s) to go for. All black would seem the obvious choice, but I did think blue/silver might
present a nice cyber image to contrast with my mainly trad dress style.

Anyone got any recommendations on what would make good colour choices for a Goth on a Brompton? :-)

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Bright Greetings!

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Hello, Though I recognised the name, I'm a sometime poster/permanent lurker on UPG, EX DJ at
Snakebite and black in Newcastle & guitarist for Athamay, you atill probably don't know me but ya
enever know :-)

ISTR seeing you post on the group occasionally - it's a fairly memorable address you've got! One of
these days I really will have to check out the Newcastle scene, pity I never made S&B before it
closed. Various people have suggested I should give Trillians a try off and on over the last couple
of years (including complete strangers at Whitby last year!). And then of course there's sampling
the Newkie "at source"...

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I'm afraid that I can't really comment on the brompton as I've never used one, but there is one
here at the cycle lock-up at work & it looks solidly & very well built. The guy who rides it loves
it to death.

A friend from York rode one briefly and rates them quite highly, too.

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The bike is certainly fit for your comuting needs, but I wouldn't want to chance it off the road.
Obviously the small wheel size is an issue with speed if ya in a hurry but apart from that why not
go for it.

I'd assumed the gearing compensates for that so the overall speed is similar to what you'd get on a
standard racing bike, at least on surfaced roads? The wheels obviously rotate faster for any given
speed, which, thinking about it, should make a hub dynamo a bit more feasible...

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As for chaining it to a the railings at the station, I'm sure it's feasable & it certainly
takes place from the looks of all the forgotten looking bycicles outside of Newcastle station.
I would have a good look beside the station in the car park as up here there are some red
plastic cycle locker things, which can be hired daily of monthly, there may be something like
that at Leeds station.

I've not looked closely but there probably is. Thing is I really like the idea of a bike that I
really can take anywhere as luggage. How do budget airlines regard them? Nipping across to Amsterdam
and taking the bike with me would be fun!

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I would IMHO also spend 200 notes ish on a hardtail MTB for your recreational (Poss last years
model in a sale!), I'm sure some people on here will go "£200 on a bike far too little", but if you
look carefully you can get a surpisingly good frame on a bike if you shop around. This is also ripe
for the upgrade as compenents wear out/break*, depening on how much you ride/ abuse it of course..

I'm not that into "hardcore" off-road stuff, or high speed downhill antics, just wandering along
forest roads, footpaths, etc, plus the occasional disused railway line, subterranean or
otherwise! :-)

I've actually got two part-bikes, a 100 quid ex-catalogue return MTB bought from Langsett Cycles a
few years back, from which someone nicked the saddle while it was parked outside the house, and an
"in need of a total rebuild" hybrid which is built round a rather nice (and once upon a time quite
pricey) Peugeot racing frame, with "areospace" tubes. Eventually I plan to restore these to working
order (they're stuck in storage for now), but I've kept putting it off because of the problems of
either carrying one on the car or having them stolen. The Brompton would appear to neatly side-step
all of that, I can always restore and sell the Peugeot and keep the MTB for mucking about locally.

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A fantastic band indeed!!!

Cheers! - I'll pass that on next time I speak to them. Don't suppose you'll be in Leeds for their
support slot for Action Directe on Friday night? Zeitgeist Zero, LMG, Libitina and Action Directe, 4
quid for 4 bands, heavy-duty industrial Goth at it's finest, should seriously rock!

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*My current project is a 2002 Claude Butler Rock, which was picked up in a sale so far it's only
had new tires & a Marzocchi MX Comp air fork added to it & it handles far smoother and slicker
than my mates Specialised or Trek bike which cost 3 times the amount I paid for this, the frame
is class!

Years ago my dad used to run a bike hire business at a holiday camp in Wales, and many of his bikes
were assembled from parts obtained here there and everywhere. He could put a pretty decent machine
together from parts other people sold off cheap. Of course this was long before the days of
suspension, etc, at least on "general public" machines.

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If you take a Brompton to Amsterdam, better bring a GOOD lock! Better yet buy a Cyclops chain lock
as soon as you get there: much more practical than an U-lock (esp. on a Brompton) and at least as
unbreakable (it's the only lock the local junkies won't touch). Wouldn't count on taking it inside a
shop/pub/whatever, given the "friendly and helpfull" nature of most Amsterdammers.

Mark van Gorkom.

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I've not looked closely but there probably is. Thing is I really like the idea of a bike that I
really can take anywhere as luggage. How do budget airlines regard them? Nipping across to
Amsterdam and taking the bike with me would be fun!

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Pyromancer said:

Does anyone have any up-to-date advice, comments or anecdotes, good or bad, about the Brompton?

Got mine after an office move two years ago which meant I had no space inside to park the FW Evans.
Never looked back (well, actually, I do when I'm on it).

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Personally I don't find showers essential, it's nice, but I can manage without.

They're overrated. Especially the one at my office.

I carry a face cloth and also use deodorant when I change, but if absolutely necessary a quick dab
with a hot damp flannel should be sufficient, assuming one has showered at home first.

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I would not like to cycle 20 miles everyday on my Brompton, but YMMV.

Me neither - my journey at present is about five miles each way although I could probably manage up
to eight without too much bother. But I once regularly cycled between Alton and Basingstoke in
Hampshire, a distance of about 13 miles, which just made me miserable.

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Bright Greetings!

Following a link from a post on uk,railway, I'm now seriously thinking about getting a Brompton,
probably a T6. I'd heard of "folding bikes" before, but never really paid much attention, however
having had a good look round the websites (and read some old threads from this ng on Google), I
think perhaps this will be the answer to my requirements.

Does anyone have any up-to-date advice, comments or anecdotes, good or bad, about the Brompton?

Have you considered a Birdy? It's a folder which is a bit larger when folded than a Brompton, but it
feels a lot more like a full-size bike to ride. It's also got both front and rear suspension, a
light, stiff aluminium frame, decent v-brakes, and comes in a variety of gear configurations.

I use an 8 speed 2003 Birdy Red to reduce 40 minutes of walking to 10 minutes of cycling on my daily
commute into London. It can even carry full sized panniers, which are useful for the laptop and
associated paraphernalia.

Check out r-m.der-m.deOpen ↗ for the (German) manufacturers website. I bought mine from Avon
Valley Cyclery in Bath (foldingbikes.co.ukfoldingbikes.co.ukOpen ↗), although there are dealers elsewhere in
the country.

Cheers, Pete

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HE HE! can we start a Goths on a bike thread :-)

LOL! Once I'd sorted out the technical issues, the next item on the agenda is obviously what
colour(s) to go for. All black would seem the obvious choice, but I did think blue/silver might
present a nice cyber image to contrast with my mainly trad dress style. Anyone got any
recommendations on what would make good colour choices for a Goth on a Brompton? :-)

Must admit I'm on a Matt silver & black buzz at the mo. Of course we all know the correct colour
choice on a bike makes it go faster :-)

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ISTR seeing you post on the group occasionally - it's a fairly memorable address you've got!

Tis not my real one though, it's amazing just how much Spam you can get from your real addies being
on a web site, whithout adding usenet into the equation!

One of these days I really will have to check out

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the Newcastle scene, pity I never made S&B before it closed.

Snakie was certainly a brilliant night & was fantastic fun during it's 8 year life I'll miss it. The
Newcastle scene can be very fickle & funny but then again it's the Goth scene init.

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Various people have suggested I should give Trillians a try off and on

over the

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last couple of years (including complete strangers at Whitby last year!).

Hmmm weren't me, as I missed last year completely :-( Trillians can be good, but unfortunatly the
management keep double booking which causes no end of problems for bands & Mel the promoter, I
believe this ballsed up a little match girl gig not long ago which I was well miffed at!

And then of course there's sampling the Newkie "at source"... Trust me mate, it still tastes like
[censored] up here too! Give me a good pint of Jennings Snecklifter or Pendle witches brew (Which I
don't drink because of the name :-) anyday <END NON BIKE RELATED STUFF>

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I'd assumed the gearing compensates for that so the overall speed is similar to what you'd get on
a standard racing bike, at least on surfaced roads? The wheels obviously rotate faster for any
given speed, which, thinking about it, should make a hub dynamo a bit more feasible...

You are of course correct & I've now restarted my brain.

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I've not looked closely but there probably is. Thing is I really like the idea of a bike that I
really can take anywhere as luggage. How do budget airlines regard them? Nipping across to
Amsterdam and taking the bike with me would be fun!

Funny you should mention this but I was recently talking to someone about transporting a bike, I've
been told if you tell the airline it's a bike they will charge you regardless (Not sure how much
probably depend on the flight/airline!), but if you say you have a large luggage item to check which
contains an exercise machine (not really a lie!) they don't, as long as you don't go over your
weight allowence. Obvously make sure you packaging doesn't mention it's a bike

<START NON BIKE RELATED STUFF>

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littlematchgirl.co.uklittlematchgirl.co.ukOpen ↗ <-- Electronic Metal!

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A fantastic band indeed!!!

Cheers! - I'll pass that on next time I speak to them. Don't suppose you'll be in Leeds for their
support slot for Action Directe on Friday night? Zeitgeist Zero, LMG, Libitina and Action Directe,
4 quid for 4 bands, heavy-duty industrial Goth at it's finest, should seriously rock!

I've only just returned from holiday with a very Un-Goth Tan & have yest to get back to grips with
what is going on in the scene at the mo, Shame I would've liked to have gone to that, oh well
another time maybe.

Cya Phil