thieves!

ouch said:

He has a Kryptonite, New York model I believe. It doesn't seem to be wide enough to go round both
the seat tube AND the rear wheel.

There is no need to loop a lock around the rear wheel and the frame, providing you lock the wheel to
something solid through the rear triangle. As always, there is more information at:

sheldonbrown.comlock strategy.htmlOpen ↗

Obviously you will need to secure the front wheel separately.

John T. Remove the singers of Spam before replying

John Tomlinson said:

ouch said:

He has a Kryptonite, New York model I believe. It doesn't seem to be wide enough to go round both
the seat tube AND the rear wheel.

There is no need to loop a lock around the rear wheel and the frame, providing you lock the wheel
to something solid through the rear triangle. As always, there is more information at:

sheldonbrown.comlock strategy.htmlOpen ↗

The Oracle seems to miss the obvious here. He doesn't consider the possibility of an incompetent
bike thief trying to steal the bike and causing a lot of damage in the process.

Does bike insurance cover vandalism?

I think the best way to lock a bike it to make it as obvious as possible that the bike has been
secured. That means that it should be absolutely obvious that the frame is secured to an
immovable object.
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Quoted message said:

Simon Mason said:

You can ask them to do you a favour and keep an eye on it for a packet of [censored] or something.

That would be an excessively expensive option.

Simonb

A packet of polos then - In any case it's cheaper than a new bike !

Simonm

Gonzalez said:

John Tomlinson wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

ouch said:

He has a Kryptonite, New York model I believe. It doesn't seem to be wide enough to go round both
the seat tube AND the rear wheel.

There is no need to loop a lock around the rear wheel and the frame, providing you lock the wheel
to something solid through the rear triangle. As always, there is more information at:

sheldonbrown.comlock strategy.htmlOpen ↗

Quoted message said:

The Oracle seems to miss the obvious here. He doesn't consider the possibility of an incompetent
bike thief trying to steal the bike and causing a lot of damage in the process.

In my motorcycling days I used three locks to secure it. I found it considerably reduced damage by
incompetent thieves to stick a notice on the tank which said "Notice to thieves: please be sure you
have the means to remove all three locks before starting work on the first."

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Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK ["]http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

ouch said:

Hello Everyone,

I hope you don't mind if I rant on a bit about a bad experience that my friend had.

On Thursday evening he parked his mountainbike outside his new flat (London) for the first time
but his U lock wasn't big enough to to go around both the railings and his back wheel. He planned
to get an extender cable the next day but woke to find... ...that his entire back wheel AND his
front wheel had both been swapped for older (read unusable) items.

This just makes me mad. I can't believe (correction: I can believe but am disgusted) that there
are people out there that can do this sort of thing.

Firstly my friend isn't very knowledgable about bikes or bike maintenance. Luckily for him he saw
that the back wheel wasn't even on properly so he couldn't ride to work. An badly adjusted or
loose QR skewer can cause accidents, not to mention the fact that the brakes might not have been
readjusted after the wheels were swapped out.

Secondly he's been out of work until just recently so every part on his bike is valuable to him.

Thirdly he was late for an important meeting.

He's now purchased an extended cable (2 loops on either end) and I showed him how to use it
effectively so that the frame and both wheels can be secured. Is this enough? Should he get
another cable to tie his saddle? It's one of those that has a hole in it.

It annoys me that these things happen and makes me paranoid about leaving MY bike anywhere. What
are we meant to do?

Vancouver (Canada) is one of the most beautiful, liveable cities in the world, but bike theft is
always at an all time high. No matter where you live or where you park your bike, there are people
waiting to take it in whole or in part. A wheel is worth $2.00 or more at a pawn shop in spite of
its replacement value of $25.00 to $40.00. It isn't the thief that is the problem, it is the owner
of bikes. Whether you are a kid or an adult, there are two ways to learn a lesson, the easy way
which most of us reject and refuse to accept, and the hard way that most of us don't enjoy any
better Most commuter cyclists use two U-locks locks, front and rear. Cable are sometimes used in an
attempt to hold on to accessories like old seats and carriage racks.

When cyclists realize that their new or rusted bikes are of value to thieves regardless of where
they are and how much the stolen bike will fetch, cyclists will always take efforts to eliminate or
reduce the incidents of theft.

After the bars close at 2:00 am guys prowl the city collecting bikes and other stuff they find and
mostly steal so when the pawn shops open up in the morning there are grocery shopping cars of good
to be exchange for their daily cash needs. What more do you need to know?

Well, maybe you need to know this. It costs $100 to keep a guy in jail each day in Canada. Our
government just doesn't have the money to keep thives in jail. If thieves who are caught are not put
in jail, they work the streets the way they did before their last arrest and conviction. How long do
bike thieves go to jail in the UK if convicted and how much does it cost per day to keep them
incarcerated per day?

In article <[email hidden]>, occupant
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

[snip]

Quoted message said:

It isn't the thief that is the problem, it is the owner of bikes.

[snip] No. That's the establishment lie; they promise to control crime, then they don't and finally
blame the victims for leading the thieves on. By all means take precautions but never make the
mistake of blaming yourself when others commit a crime. Thieves are the problem.
--
Julian

occupant said:

Vancouver (Canada) is one of the most beautiful, liveable cities in the world, but bike theft is
always at an all time high. No matter where you live or where you park your bike, there are people
waiting to take it in whole or in part. A wheel is worth $2.00 or more at a pawn shop in spite of
its replacement value of $25.00 to $40.00. It isn't the thief that is the problem, it is the owner
of bikes. Whether you are a kid or an adult, there are two ways to learn a lesson, the easy way
which most of us reject and refuse to accept, and the hard way that most of us don't enjoy any
better Most commuter cyclists use two U-locks locks, front and rear. Cable are sometimes used in
an attempt to hold on to accessories like old seats and carriage racks.

This is total madness.

I mean, I know that people who live in cities are mad, and I'm not claiming your city is any worse
than any other. But stealing is unacceptable behaviour. A place in which this degree of selfishness,
lack of consideration and sheer anti-social behaviour is rife is _not_ livable.

It is not the victim's fault when (s)he is robbed. No one forces a thief to thieve. Blaming the
victim means that the community ignores and tolerates the problem. And if you live in a place where
unacceptable behaviour is tolerated, and victims of unacceptable behaviour are blamed for being
victims, it's time to move.

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that... not even its mother could love. Like the camel, Common Lisp is a horse designed by
committee. Camels do have their uses." ;; Scott Fahlman, 7 March 1995

Simon Brooke said:

This is total madness.

I mean, I know that people who live in cities are mad, and I'm not claiming your city is any worse
than any other. But stealing is unacceptable behaviour. A place in which this degree of
selfishness, lack of consideration and sheer anti-social behaviour is rife is _not_ livable.

[SNIP]

Hi Simon

This is not entirely off-topic. Between Friday and Monday luntimes I was out of the house because I
was staying with friends in Gloucestershire. Peter, my former boss from my days in Guildford, works
in Bristol so I took the train to Bristol Temple Meads and was given a lift from there to his house.

During the journey I read some sections of a Bristol local paper. One small snippet suggested that
sixty-odd percent of all the crime in Bristol was caused by less that thirty miscreants, all of whom
are drug (mainly heroin) addicts. According to the same article, they "were forced" to steal to get
enough money to maintain their addictions. IIRC, the article said that a thief's habit cost about
£2,000 per week. However, as he or she would receive only about 10% of an objects full value when
sold on, each person "had" to nick some 20 grand per week.

Just my 2p - or 20p, if you wish James

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"Sorry mate, I didn't see you" is not a satisfactory excuse.