They still don't get it....

Teeb said:

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/reuters20040827_233.html

"The experts stopped short of directly urging Americans to cut down on
soft drinks, cakes, cookies, pies, candy and other sugar-filled food,
saying more research was necessary."

More research is necessary, my buttocks! How many people become
overweight from eating too many vegetables? Instead of the "low fat" BS,
they should be doing "low sugar" advertising.

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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:55:20 -0400, "Bob M" <[email hidden]>

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Teeb said:

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/reuters20040827_233.html

13 'nutrition experts' empanelled at taxpayer expense to do a softshoe
dance -- what a joke.

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"The experts stopped short of directly urging Americans to cut down on
soft drinks, cakes, cookies, pies, candy and other sugar-filled food,
saying more research was necessary."

More research is necessary, my buttocks! How many people become
overweight from eating too many vegetables? Instead of the "low fat" BS,
they should be doing "low sugar" advertising.

"Soft drink makers and the sugar industry contend it is unfair to link
diabetes to soft drink consumption. They said an unhealthy lifestyle,
not a particular food or beverage, increased an individual's risk of
developing diabetes."
(---)
"Last year, they (consumer groups) requested the government remove
seven of the 13 panel members because of their close ties to the food
industry. None of them were removed."

It would be 'unfair' in a $$ way to the soft drink and sugar industry
to directly come out and say anything negative about the products --
and likely a few campaign funds as well.

"Consumer groups have expressed concern in the past that the USDA,
which promotes agricultural products, has a major role in developing
federal dietary guidelines."

Must... support... (surplus) food pyramid.

Oh, they get it, they get paid off.

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You know, that article brought to mind my parents when I was a kid.
We weren't allowed to drink milk, except a little bit with breakfast
cereal, because it was too expensive (how expensive could it be - they
owned their own house.) Not that the cereal was that great for me, in
retrospect...

Instead, we were made to drink soda with every meal. I remembered

Wow, I've never heard of THAT one! We were dirt poor and mom mostly had powdered
milk for us to drink -- God, I HATE, LOATHE AND DESPISE that stuff to this DAY!
It was really only drinkable if you did it fast and it was ICE cold. Bleah!

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Atkins since 6/14/03
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Saffire said:

Wow, I've never heard of THAT one! We were dirt poor and mom mostly had
powdered milk for us to drink -- God, I HATE, LOATHE AND DESPISE that
stuff to this DAY!
It was really only drinkable if you did it fast and it was ICE cold.

I only could endure the skim milk if it was made at least 2 days in advance
(hint to the general public: It is not "instant" milk!!!), and I put sugar
and cocoa powder in it.

any other time and it was barf city, even if it was baked into stuff.

Bob M said:

Teeb said:

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/reuters20040827_233.html

"The experts stopped short of directly urging Americans to cut down on
soft drinks, cakes, cookies, pies, candy and other sugar-filled food,
saying more research was necessary."

More research is necessary, my buttocks! How many people become
overweight from eating too many vegetables? Instead of the "low fat" BS,
they should be doing "low sugar" advertising.

Many Hindus are vegetarian. How many fat Indians do you see?

gtoomey

Quoted message said:

"The experts stopped short of directly urging Americans to cut down on
soft drinks, cakes, cookies, pies, candy and other sugar-filled food,
saying more research was necessary."

More research is necessary, my buttocks! How many people become
overweight from eating too many vegetables? Instead of the "low fat" BS,
they should be doing "low sugar" advertising.

--
Bob M

The "experts" are being heavily lobbied by the sugar industry and the soft
drink industry. Money talks.

Pat in TX

Saffire said:

We were dirt poor and mom mostly had powdered
milk for us to drink -- God, I HATE, LOATHE AND DESPISE that stuff to this DAY!
It was really only drinkable if you did it fast and it was ICE cold. Bleah!

Crash's grandmother always used powdered milk. She added just a touch of
vanilla, and Crash said it was just fine when she did that.

Carol

Gregory Toomey mentioned in passing :

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Many Hindus are vegetarian. How many fat Indians do you see?

Many. I lived with a whole group of them. As soon as they stop having to
do 12 hours a day of hard labor their diet makes many of them fat.

here's some found in 5 min of searching....
http://www.prod-india.com/files/PROD48/Members%20of%20women%20SHGs.jpg

I was vegetarian until I weighed 400lbs. Now I am only 335 and still
losing.

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to what lies within us. - Oliver Wendell Holmes

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Gregory Toomey mentioned in passing :

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Many Hindus are vegetarian. How many fat Indians do you see?

More than a few, in America, at least.

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In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]

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Quoted message said:

You know, that article brought to mind my parents when I was a kid.
We weren't allowed to drink milk, except a little bit with breakfast
cereal, because it was too expensive (how expensive could it be - they
owned their own house.) Not that the cereal was that great for me, in
retrospect...

Instead, we were made to drink soda with every meal. I remembered

Wow, I've never heard of THAT one! We were dirt poor and mom mostly had

powdered

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milk for us to drink -- God, I HATE, LOATHE AND DESPISE that stuff to this

DAY!

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It was really only drinkable if you did it fast and it was ICE cold.

Bleah!

Ditto - we had powdered milk. Mom would usually mix it into a milk jug so
we "couldn't tell" the difference, but we sure could! Especially when we'd
go to pour some and see the sludgy powder bits floating in it. I don't
remember it tasting all that bad, though. She'd put a bit of vanilla in it.
I remember it smelling very good.

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Saffire said:

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Gregory Toomey mentioned in passing :

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Many Hindus are vegetarian. How many fat Indians do you see?

More than a few, in America, at least.

But what are they eating? It would be very, very hard to get fat eating
nothing but vegetables (which I don't espouse, by the way). The must be
eating something that has a ton of calories in it. Are they strict
vegetarians (no animal products whatsoever)?

For instance, 100 grams of peas (according to:

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/cgi-bin/list_nut_edit.pl)

have 78 kcal. To eat 2,000 calories a day of peas (granted, a bland
diet!) would mean that you'd have to eat 2564 grams of peas a day, which
is 5.64 POUNDS of peas. Let's say you wanted to do that with cooked
cabbage. You'd have to eat almost 21 POUNDS of cooked cabbage.

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"Bob M" [email hidden]

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Saffire said:

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Gregory Toomey mentioned in passing :
>
>
> Many Hindus are vegetarian. How many fat Indians do you see?

More than a few, in America, at least.

But what are they eating? It would be very, very hard to get fat eating
nothing but vegetables (which I don't espouse, by the way). The must be
eating something that has a ton of calories in it. Are they strict
vegetarians (no animal products whatsoever)?

Vegetarians eat more than just vegetables. They eat lots of the stuff we're
not eating, as in sugar and grains. It's entirely plausible that they could be
fat, very fat.

I was a vegetarian for 14 months right after I graduated from college (many,
many years ago), and I put on 20 pounds immediately. What did I eat? Bread,
bread, bread, pasta, pasta, pasta, lentils, rice, sugar, sugar, sugar (and
honey and molasses), potatoes, potatoes, potatoes. And vegetables, especially
those high on the glycemic index. Lots of sweet potatoes, for example, and
beets, which I vaguely recall as having a high glycemic index, although I could
be wrong. Carrots, too. I didn't eat eggs, but I ate lots of dairy products.
As soon as I resumed eating other animal protein -- only eggs and fish for a
few years, no chicken or red meat -- I lost the 20 pounds I'd gained. It just
fell off, like magic. I wasn't even trying to lose. It simply went away
before I knew what had happened.

It's entirely possible to be a vegetarian or even a vegan and have a hideously
unhealthy diet. I know, I've done it. To be a healthy vegetarian requires a
good balance between grains and vegetables, and avoidance of the junk carbs --
just like we do on a low-carb diet.

Daria
166/under 145/under 145
sugar-free since 2/1/04
low-carb since 2/17/04

DG511 said:

Vegetarians eat more than just vegetables. They eat lots of the stuff
we're not eating, as in sugar and grains. It's entirely plausible that
they could be fat, very fat.

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I was a vegetarian for 14 months right after I graduated from college (many,
many years ago), and I put on 20 pounds immediately. What did I eat? Bread,
bread, bread, pasta, pasta, pasta, lentils, rice, sugar, sugar, sugar (and
honey and molasses), potatoes, potatoes, potatoes. And vegetables, especially
those high on the glycemic index.

When I throw a party, I consider it an obligation to make sure that there's
something everybody can eat. I make a vegan jambalaya that has been well
praised by vege- and omni-vores alike. I start with spiced, deep fried
tofu for the mandatory chewy spiciness, and cook the vegetables in a
peanut butter shade Cajun roux. I figure even with the rice it's about
fifty percent calories from fat.

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It's entirely possible to be a vegetarian or even a vegan and have a hideously
unhealthy diet.

It's easier with the help of a skilled friend }:-)

Martin (215/165/165 started 4/2003, maintaining since 4/2004)
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DG511 said:

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"Bob M" [email hidden]

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Saffire said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden]
says...
> Gregory Toomey mentioned in passing :
> >
> >
> > Many Hindus are vegetarian. How many fat Indians do you see?

More than a few, in America, at least.

But what are they eating? It would be very, very hard to get fat eating
nothing but vegetables (which I don't espouse, by the way). The must be
eating something that has a ton of calories in it. Are they strict
vegetarians (no animal products whatsoever)?

Vegetarians eat more than just vegetables. They eat lots of the stuff
we're
not eating, as in sugar and grains. It's entirely plausible that they
could be
fat, very fat.

I was a vegetarian for 14 months right after I graduated from college
(many,
many years ago), and I put on 20 pounds immediately. What did I eat?
Bread,
bread, bread, pasta, pasta, pasta, lentils, rice, sugar, sugar, sugar
(and
honey and molasses), potatoes, potatoes, potatoes. And vegetables,
especially
those high on the glycemic index. Lots of sweet potatoes, for example,
and
beets, which I vaguely recall as having a high glycemic index, although
I could
be wrong. Carrots, too. I didn't eat eggs, but I ate lots of dairy
products.
As soon as I resumed eating other animal protein -- only eggs and fish
for a
few years, no chicken or red meat -- I lost the 20 pounds I'd gained.
It just
fell off, like magic. I wasn't even trying to lose. It simply went away
before I knew what had happened.

It's entirely possible to be a vegetarian or even a vegan and have a
hideously
unhealthy diet. I know, I've done it. To be a healthy vegetarian
requires a
good balance between grains and vegetables, and avoidance of the junk
carbs --
just like we do on a low-carb diet.

Daria
166/under 145/under 145
sugar-free since 2/1/04
low-carb since 2/17/04

That is true, although my premise was that eating vegetables (and only
vegetables) won't make you fat. I also at a low fat diet for many years.
Although it was vegetarian, as I ate some meat and some milk products
(skim milk is it, I believe), I only ate the very low fat kinds of meat
(basically just white meats with no skin). However, I didn't eat sugar of
any kind, except in rare circumstances (and I've kept that up for my low
carb diet). I had been on low fat for so long that I didn't realize how
hungry it made me and how hard it is to ever be sated on that diet. That
is, until I tried low carb. Only then did I realize how bad the low fat
diet is.

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Saffire said:

Wow, I've never heard of THAT one! We were dirt poor and mom mostly had powdered
milk for us to drink -- God, I HATE, LOATHE AND DESPISE that stuff to this DAY!
It was really only drinkable if you did it fast and it was ICE cold. Bleah!

Powdered milk is only good when you pour it down the drain. 🙂
However, I like Hormel Spam and really enjoyed those big round cans of
government Spam-like mystery meat. But offer me a canned chicken and
I just might beat you with it. <ROFLMAO>

Remember trying to make chocolate with powdered milk that wouldn't
dissolve no matter what you did to it and chocolate powder that had to
be dissolved in hot (almost boiling) water? Then, you'd wind up with
a nasty dark brown clumpy brew unfit for human consumption. What joy
and jubilation erupted when Nestle's Quick was discovered. <LOL> Ahh
a delightful stroll down memory lane.
Lee Rodgers
Lowcarb Retreat http://www.lowcarb.org
CHAT http://www.lowcarb.org/parachat.html
Low-Carb Connoisseur http://www.low-carb.com

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Quoted message said:

That is true, although my premise was that eating vegetables (and only
vegetables) won't make you fat. I also at a low fat diet for many
years. Although it was vegetarian, as I ate some meat and some milk

That should say, "Although it was NOT vegetarian".

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products (skim milk is it, I believe), I only ate the very low fat kinds
of meat (basically just white meats with no skin). However, I didn't
eat sugar of any kind, except in rare circumstances (and I've kept that
up for my low carb diet). I had been on low fat for so long that I
didn't realize how hungry it made me and how hard it is to ever be sated
on that diet. That is, until I tried low carb. Only then did I realize
how bad the low fat diet is.

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Instead, we were made to drink soda with every meal.

? There was no water?

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I remembered
being so jealous of those kids in school whose parents gave them milk
money for lunch while I drank some disgusting store-brand soda. Then
my parents criticized me for being fat

Whole milk and soda have about the same number of calories per ounce.

Of course, the milk actually has some nutrients, so it's a better
caloric "value". But you weren't ingesting more calories per se by
drinking soda--you were just ingesting more **empty** calories.

I have to say that this is one of the strangest bits of family
craziness I've ever heard of. I know people whose parents wouldn't
let them drink much milk because of the expense, but they were always
forced to drink water instead, not soda.

T.