They know how to do it

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cycling info. As well as the very, very detrailed *maps* of all the cycling

Why would you want to detrail a cycling map?

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Why would you want to detrail a cycling map?

why not whrn mu cat is sittinh on the keyboaaarrd?

Cheers, helen s ;-)

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wafflyDIRTYcatLITTERhcsBOX said:

I know London is trying to do similar - but those sweetly scented Germans seem to have it done
most excellently.

If you want to maintain the illusion that Koeln is as sweetly scented as its name, I suggest you
stay away from the river, or approach it only with clothespeg firmly applied to nose :-)

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Quoted message said:

wafflyDIRTYcatLITTERhcsBOX said:

I know London is trying to do similar - but those sweetly scented Germans seem to have it done
most excellently.

If you want to maintain the illusion that Koeln is as sweetly scented as its name, I suggest you
stay away from the river, or approach it only with clothespeg firmly applied to nose :-)

Funny, I've never noticed that the river smells. (Lived in the area for a number of years and been
on the riverside at Duesseldorf and Koeln many many times.) There are plenty of smelly factories
along the Rhine (not in the centre of Koeln) but the river itself doesn't smell bad. Perhaps Carol
was there on a day when the wind was blowing in the wrong direction.

Don't avoid the river - it's one of the most impressive things about Koeln.
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So why can't we do it over here as well?

Just got my Fahrradstadtplan of Colgne through from Amazon Germany. Good grief! This is not just a
map of cycle routes it's a positive repository of excellent cycling info. As well as the very, very
detrailed *maps* of all the cycling routes in and around Cologne, there's a great booklet on
cycling facilites, bikes on the Rhine (on boats of course) and bikes on the train - plus another
map of all the train routes where trains take bikes, plus lots of Useful Addresses and Useful
Telephone Numbers.

I know London is trying to do similar - but those sweetly scented Germans seem to have it done most
excellently.

Cheers, helen s

Just a thought. Avoid buying beer in cans in Germany. There's a 25 cent deposit on both cans and
bottles. (Getting on for 40% of the price of a can of beer.) The cans are only returnable to the
shop where you bought them but the bottles can go anywhere (within reason). As a result there's been
a major consumer backlash against cans.

Of course, if you want to bring it home canned beer in Germany is still much cheaper than in the UK,
even allowing for the deposit.

Oh, and the local beer in Cologne is called Koelsch and in pubs usually comes in stupid little 0.2
litre glasses.

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What Michael said. We rode from the rowing strip out at Dagenham-am-Rhein along the river to the
city centre a couple of times in '97 and I didn't notice any horrid whiffy pongs. Better yet are the
smells next to the chocolate museum...

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Quoted message said:

Funny, I've never noticed that the river smells. (Lived in the area for a number of years and been
on the riverside at Duesseldorf and Koeln many many times.) There are plenty of smelly factories
along the Rhine (not in the centre of Koeln) but the river itself doesn't smell bad. Perhaps Carol
was there on a day when the wind was blowing in the wrong direction.

Don't avoid the river - it's one of the most impressive things about Koeln.

Last time I was in Cologne was (mumble, mumble...) about thirty years ago when I was a teenager. The
river didn't smell bad then :-) However, a journey to Wuppertal, & a trip on the Schweberbahn (sp?),
and *boy* now *that* was smelly
- and not anything like the sweet niff of 4711 ;-) Mind you, that wasn't as bad as the river in
Florence, mid-summer last year!

Cheers, helen s

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Michael MacClancy said:

Just a thought. Avoid buying beer in cans in Germany. There's a 25 cent deposit on both cans and
bottles. (Getting on for 40% of the price of a can of beer.) The cans are only returnable to the
shop where you bought them but the bottles can go anywhere (within reason). As a result there's
been a major consumer backlash against cans.

Mrs Larrington (who is German) tells me that they've stopped doing canned beer altogether, though
she /may/ be exaggerating a bit.

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Oh, and the local beer in Cologne is called Koelsch and in pubs usually comes in stupid little 0.2
litre glasses.

*And* it's vile.

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Quoted message said:

If you want to maintain the illusion that Koeln is as sweetly scented as its name, I suggest you
stay away from the river, or approach it only with clothespeg firmly applied to nose :-)

Last time I was there, it was fine. Mind you, it was (mumble, mumble...) A Long Time Ago, when I was
a teenager. Wuppertal, on the other hand - *stank*.

Cheers, helen s

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In message <[email hidden]>, Disgruntled Goat
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Dave Larrington said:

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Oh, and the local beer in Cologne is called Koelsch and in pubs usually comes in stupid little
0.2 litre glasses.

*And* it's vile.

Yup. Nearly as bad as Rauchbier. Stick to the Weissbier or see if they have Ebbelwoi[1] although
that may be a strictly Frankfurt am Main thing.

It's not vile (neither is Rauchbier), it's just a bit different. And it's normally so cold you can't
taste it anyway. There's plenty of Pils available. Although I like Weissbier I'd prefer to mostly
stick to the local brews if I was in Koeln. Ebbelwoi is a Frankfurt thing.

I'm going to Duesseldorf this weekend. Lots of Altbier! ;-)
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Quoted message said:

Last time I was there, it was fine. Mind you, it was (mumble, mumble...) A

Long

Quoted message said:

Time Ago, when I was a teenager. Wuppertal, on the other hand - *stank*.

Perhaps something to do with Cologne being a wussy place with little real industry (bending tinfoil
and sticking blue ovals on the front & back excepted) whereas Wuppertal is getting a bit seriously
close to the Ruhrgebeit. In the 70's that stank big time.

T

Dave Larrington said:

Quoted message said:

Oh, and the local beer in Cologne is called Koelsch and in pubs usually comes in stupid little
0.2 litre glasses.

*And* it's vile.

Yup. Nearly as bad as Rauchbier. Stick to the Weissbier or see if they have Ebbelwoi[1] although
that may be a strictly Frankfurt am Main thing.

[1] AKA apple-wine. Dangerously drinkable falling-down liquid. Best served with Handkase mit
Musik. :-)

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Ach!

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Oh, and the local beer in Cologne is called Koelsch and in pubs usually comes in stupid little
0.2 litre glasses.

*And* it's vile.

Whereas the alt bier from the *real* city just down river (Düsseldorf) is very good indeed. It also
comes is silly little glassed but they are bottomless (i.e. continuously refilled/replaced).

T

PS -- I have known the Rhein (since, for some reason we are into German spelling) smell a bit rank
on a couple of occasions -- but normally its OK.

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And what, in your opinion, would be the appropriate collective nouns for B*b Sh*rts and
P*v*ng Sl*bs?

An abomination of the former and a patio of the latter.

Cheers, helen s

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In message <[email hidden]>, wafflyDIRTYcatLITTERhcsBOX
<[email hidden]> writes

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So why can't we do it over here as well?

Just got my Fahrradstadtplan of Colgne through from Amazon Germany. Good grief! This is not just a
map of cycle routes it's a positive repository of excellent cycling info. As well as the very, very
detrailed *maps* of all the cycling routes in and around Cologne, there's a great booklet on
cycling facilites, bikes on the Rhine (on boats of course) and bikes on the train - plus another
map of all the train routes where trains take bikes, plus lots of Useful Addresses and Useful
Telephone Numbers.

I know London is trying to do similar - but those sweetly scented Germans seem to have it done most
excellently.

Cheers, helen s

Are you going anywhere other than Cologne?
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Quoted message said:

Are you going anywhere other than Cologne?

Depends how we feel when we get there. We have an apartment booked there to use as a base, so we can
cycle as much or as little as we wish. Depends on weather, mood...

Cheers, helen s

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Disgruntled Goat said:

Yup. Nearly as bad as Rauchbier. Stick to the Weissbier or see if they have Ebbelwoi[1] although
that may be a strictly Frankfurt am Main thing.

Ah, I remember Weissbier - my first legal drink in Germany when I was 17.

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[1] AKA apple-wine. Dangerously drinkable falling-down liquid. Best served with Handkase mit
Musik. :-)

Being from Herefordshire, I'm familiar with a number of English substances fitting said description,
with the possible exception of the Handkase mit Musik. If you want to fall down faster but nearer,
get thee to Burrow Hill (Somerset) and try their cider brandy!

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Michael MacClancy said:

In message <[email hidden]>, Disgruntled Goat
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

Dave Larrington said:

> Oh, and the local beer in Cologne is called Koelsch and in pubs usually comes in stupid little
> 0.2 litre glasses.

*And* it's vile.

Yup. Nearly as bad as Rauchbier. Stick to the Weissbier or see if they have Ebbelwoi[1] although
that may be a strictly Frankfurt am Main thing.

It's not vile (neither is Rauchbier), it's just a bit different.

That's putting it mildly. Beer that tastes as if it's had a barbecue emptied into it, charcoal and
all is a little too different for my palate. :-) OTOH, I happily drink Gueuze. De gustibus non
disputandum est and all that, I spose.

Quoted message said:

And it's normally so cold you can't taste it anyway. There's plenty of Pils available. Although I
like Weissbier I'd prefer to mostly stick to the local brews if I was in Koeln. Ebbelwoi is a
Frankfurt thing.

Thought as much. Wicked stuff, though. Ahh, happy memories...

Quoted message said:

I'm going to Duesseldorf this weekend. Lots of Altbier! ;-)

Lovely stuff, that. Have a good time.
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Bah!

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Are you going anywhere other than Cologne?

Depends how we feel when we get there. We have an apartment booked there to use as a base, so we
can cycle as much or as little as we wish. Depends on weather, mood...

Cheers, helen s

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The Ahrtal is very nice (look for Bad Neuenahr-Ahrweiler). There's a cycling map available. The
Bergisches Land is to the East of Cologne, stretching from Bergisch Gladbach to Meinerzhagen and
from Radevormwald to Eitorf. Plenty of good cycling there too.
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