UK and Europe · Public discussion

There is a God ..Maybe...

Started by Tumbleweed · · Last activity · 21 posts · 798 views

Thread navigation

Jump through the discussion

Go to the original post, the replies on this page, or the latest preserved contribution.

Thread details

What we know about this thread

Original section
UK and Europe
Published
13 July 2005
Last activity
14 July 2005
Original author
Tumbleweed
Posts
21
Discussion status
Public discussion
Total views
798
Views / 30 days
0

The navigation and discussion metadata provide context. Posts remain in their original chronological order.

Showing posts 1–20 of 21
Posts remain in their original chronological order.

Text size
  1. I am heading towards rbout, going straight across. [censored] pulls out in front
    of me, one hand on phone, chatting away, going incredibly slowly. As i pass
    over rbout I look back. [censored] is doing a complete turn on rbout and heading
    back way he came. Thus giving police car heading opposite way to me, and
    thus towards rbout, a super side-on view of him chatting on phone. On goes
    flashing lights and police car turns down the street [censored] has driven into.

    --
    Tumbleweed

    email replies not necessary but to contact use;
    tumbleweednews at hotmail dot com

  2. Tumbleweed said:

    I am heading towards rbout, going straight across. [censored] pulls out in front
    of me, one hand on phone, chatting away, going incredibly slowly. As i pass
    over rbout I look back. [censored] is doing a complete turn on rbout and heading
    back way he came. Thus giving police car heading opposite way to me, and
    thus towards rbout, a super side-on view of him chatting on phone. On goes
    flashing lights and police car turns down the street [censored] has driven into.

    Yes, result!

    --
    Dave...

    Every time I see an adult on a bicycle, I no longer despair for the
    future of the human race. - H. G. Wells

  3. "Tumbleweed" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I am heading towards rbout, going straight across. [censored] pulls out in front
    of me, one hand on phone, chatting away, going incredibly slowly. As i pass
    over rbout I look back. [censored] is doing a complete turn on rbout and heading
    back way he came. Thus giving police car heading opposite way to me, and
    thus towards rbout, a super side-on view of him chatting on phone. On goes
    flashing lights and police car turns down the street [censored] has driven into.

    Hallelujah!

    Cheers, helen s

  4. Tumbleweed came up with the following;:

    Quoted message said:

    I am heading towards rbout, going straight across. [censored] pulls out in front
    of me, one hand on phone, chatting away, going incredibly slowly. As i
    pass over rbout I look back. [censored] is doing a complete turn on rbout and
    heading back way he came. Thus giving police car heading opposite way to
    me, and thus towards rbout, a super side-on view of him chatting on
    phone. On goes flashing lights and police car turns down the street [censored]
    has driven into.

    Nice. 😉

    --
    Paul ...
    (8(|) Homer Rules ..... Doh !!!

  5. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4672657.stm

  6. citizen142 said:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4672657.stm

    I tried using a mobile a couple of times while driving long before the ban
    came into effect, and it was bleeding obvious that it affected my driving,
    so I stopped. Coincidentally, after the ban came in, I got one with a
    bluetooth headset thingie, and again tried tht a couple of times. Frankly
    I didn't think it made all that much difference compared with handheld -
    the only benefit was that I had 2 hands free so could change gear and the
    like without saying "Hang on ...". The main effect it had was that it
    completely changed my concentration and, like I do with a desk phone,
    I caught myself staring into the middle distance while I listened to
    the person on the other end. It's a complete non-starter as far as I am
    concerned.

    Having said that, there are a lot of motorists who stare into the
    middle distance with their minds elsewhere while driving anyway.
    Perhaps we ought to let them use them anyway, on the basis that
    they could't get much worse ;-(

    --
    Nobby

  7. Nobody Here said:

    Coincidentally, after the ban came in, I got one with a
    bluetooth headset thingie, and again tried tht a couple of times.
    Frankly I didn't think it made all that much difference compared
    with handheld - the only benefit was that I had 2 hands free so
    could change gear and the like without saying "Hang on ...".

    Tchh... There's no need to interrupt your call as you've still got one
    hand free. You're supposed to change gear with that while steering with
    your thighs. Amateur!

    --
    Dave...

  8. Nobody Here <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Frankly
    I didn't think it made all that much difference compared with handheld
    - the only benefit was that I had 2 hands free so could change gear
    and the like without saying "Hang on ...".

    My first company car had a full hands free kit that worked very well. After
    about a dozen or so calls I never used it again and just turned off my
    mobile when I got in the car (or turned it to silent). Despite it being
    offered, I never had one installed on all my later company cars but nobody
    could understand why. I couldn't think of any phone call that would be
    worth risking my life for whilst driving.

    Graeme

  9. Tumbleweed said:

    I am heading towards rbout, going straight across. [censored] pulls out in
    front of me, one hand on phone, chatting away, going incredibly
    slowly. As i pass over rbout I look back. [censored] is doing a complete
    turn on rbout and heading back way he came. Thus giving police car
    heading opposite way to me, and thus towards rbout, a super side-on
    view of him chatting on phone. On goes flashing lights and police car
    turns down the street [censored] has driven into.

    H! TFD!

    --
    Dave Larrington - <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/>
    Odd, is it not, how all roads lead inexorably to David Icke?

  10. dkahn400 said:
    Nobody Here said:

    Coincidentally, after the ban came in, I got one with a
    bluetooth headset thingie, and again tried tht a couple of times.
    Frankly I didn't think it made all that much difference compared
    with handheld - the only benefit was that I had 2 hands free so
    could change gear and the like without saying "Hang on ...".

    Tchh... There's no need to interrupt your call as you've still got one
    hand free. You're supposed to change gear with that while steering
    with your thighs. Amateur!

    But Dave, how are you supposed to hold the phone, change gear /and/ roll a
    South African drugs-reefer-style spliff doobie with only two hands?

    --
    Dave Larrington - <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/>
    Odd, is it not, how all roads lead inexorably to David Icke?

  11. dkahn400 said:
    Nobody Here said:

    Coincidentally, after the ban came in, I got one with a
    bluetooth headset thingie, and again tried tht a couple of times.
    Frankly I didn't think it made all that much difference compared
    with handheld - the only benefit was that I had 2 hands free so
    could change gear and the like without saying "Hang on ...".

    Tchh... There's no need to interrupt your call as you've still got one
    hand free. You're supposed to change gear with that while steering with
    your thighs. Amateur!

    I use the phone for saying "the traffic is completely stationary, I'll
    be late, bye", which avoids the need to steer or change gear. I ought
    to cycle more....

  12. Dave Larrington said:

    dkahn400 wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Tchh... There's no need to interrupt your call as you've still
    got one hand free. You're supposed to change gear with that
    while steering with your thighs. Amateur!

    But Dave, how are you supposed to hold the phone, change
    gear /and/ roll a South African drugs-reefer-style spliff doobie
    with only two hands?

    Sometimes gear changing just has to wait. That's what electronic engine
    governors are for.

    --
    Dave...

  13. Just out of interest,

    whats the difference in risk between using a hands free phone and
    talking to a passenger?

    Have there been any studies to assess the risk caused by talking to
    people in your car as a point of reference for, presumably, accepted
    degredation of driving skills?

  14. Rob said:

    Just out of interest,

    whats the difference in risk between using a hands free phone and
    talking to a passenger?

    Similar to the way that if you were talking to someone face to face and
    a third party interrupts, you'd consider them ill-mannered, but if
    you're talking to someone face to face and the phone rings, you think
    nothing of letting "the phone" interrupt your conversation.

    Quoted message said:

    Have there been any studies to assess the risk caused by talking to
    people in your car as a point of reference for, presumably, accepted
    degredation of driving skills?

    No idea if there've been any studies. I'm not sure why you'd want to
    use it as a "point of reference", though.

    R.

  15. Rob said:

    Just out of interest,

    whats the difference in risk between using a hands free phone and
    talking to a passenger?

    You need to concentrate much more on visualising the person on the
    phone. A passenger knows when to shut up and let you concentrate on
    driving and won't mind when you do. Do that to a client who's just rung
    you (and may well have no idea you are in a car) and they'll be rightly
    miffed.

    Thought experiment: someone rings whilst you are watching something
    interesting on television and you try to talk to them at the same time.
    How hard is it to maintain a credible conversation at the same time as
    taking in everything that is happening on screen.

    Now think about the conversations you've had whilst watching TV with
    someone. Not up to much were they? But since they were also watching
    the same thing it doesn't matter and there is a shared point of
    reference.

    Now think about how much more you need to concentrate to drive safely
    rather than lounge about watching TV 🙂

  16. Rob said:

    Just out of interest,

    whats the difference in risk between using a hands free phone and
    talking to a passenger?

    Much greater but I don't have my references handy to dig out the stats.
    There have been studies in the UK, the USA, and Australia that I know
    of that seem to show that driving skills degrade with the use of mobile
    phones generally. Talking on a mobile phone seems to require more
    attention than talking to a passanger.

    Quoted message said:

    Have there been any studies to assess the risk caused by talking to
    people in your car as a point of reference for, presumably, accepted
    degredation of driving skills?

    Yes, a recent study in a fairly sophisticated lab setting did this not
    very long ago and the results were frightening. Unforunately I have
    had a disk crash and apparently did not have that reference backed up.

    There was a Transport Research Laboratory study from 2-3 years ago that
    also pointed out that using a cell phone had a worse effect on driving
    than driving drunk(.80 UK legal level).
    A quote from the abstract "Drivers found it easier to drive drunk than
    to drive while using a phone, even when it was Hands-free"
    http://www.trl.co.uk/abstracts/547summary.pdf

  17. John_Kane said:


    Rob said:

    Just out of interest,

    whats the difference in risk between using a hands free phone and
    talking to a passenger?

    Much greater but I don't have my references handy to dig out the stats.
    There have been studies in the UK, the USA, and Australia that I know
    of that seem to show that driving skills degrade with the use of mobile
    phones generally. Talking on a mobile phone seems to require more
    attention than talking to a passanger.

    Quoted message said:

    Have there been any studies to assess the risk caused by talking to
    people in your car as a point of reference for, presumably, accepted
    degredation of driving skills?

    Yes, a recent study in a fairly sophisticated lab setting did this not
    very long ago and the results were frightening. Unforunately I have
    had a disk crash and apparently did not have that reference backed up.

    There was a Transport Research Laboratory study from 2-3 years ago that
    also pointed out that using a cell phone had a worse effect on driving
    than driving drunk(.80 UK legal level).
    A quote from the abstract "Drivers found it easier to drive drunk than
    to drive while using a phone, even when it was Hands-free"
    http://www.trl.co.uk/abstracts/547summary.pdf

    See also

    http://www.iihs.org/news_releases/2005/pr071205.htm

    --
    Joe * If I cannot be free I'll be cheap

  18. "JLB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    John_Kane said:


    Rob wrote:

    There was a Transport Research Laboratory study from 2-3 years ago that
    also pointed out that using a cell phone had a worse effect on driving
    than driving drunk(.80 UK legal level).
    A quote from the abstract "Drivers found it easier to drive drunk than
    to drive while using a phone, even when it was Hands-free"
    http://www.trl.co.uk/abstracts/547summary.pdf

    So the BMA Science committee will now be voting for compulsory mobile phones
    for drivers?

    Quoted message said:
  19. Quoted message said:

    Yes, a recent study in a fairly sophisticated lab
    setting did this not very long ago and the results
    were frightening.

    The study was total [censored]. It assumed that people who knew they were
    driving a (rather unrealistic) computer simulation and thus totally
    safe no matter what they did would divide their attention the same way
    that they would if they knew that inattention might result in their
    injury or death. ISTR there were other obvious flaws in the
    methodology, but, like you, I no longer have the reference. The whole
    exercise was blatantly designed to "prove" the predetermined result.

    I note that the TRL experiment also used a simulator; the conclusions
    seem similarly tenuous (slowing down when using a mobile phone but
    speeding up when drunk seem not to have struck them as significant, for
    example).

    My observations have been that people talking to passengers appear more
    dangerous than those talking on phones, because they keep turning their
    heads to look at the person they are talking to. And let's not even get
    started on the combination of solo adult driver plus several fractious
    children.

    The anti cellphone thing is no better than the martlehat thing, IMO.
    It's fashionable, but based on poor science. It takes a single factor,
    and demonises it out of proportion to many others at least as bad or
    worse. If we really cared about drivers' competence, we would have a
    real driving test, make people re-sit it every 5 years, do roadside
    tests for reaction times, hand/eye coordination etc. and prosecute
    people who fail (tired is just as bad as drunk, and some folks just
    flat out are not capable of driving safely at any time), and - most
    important - really punish those who drive badly. Of course, this would
    be electoral suicide, so instead we pretend that mobile phones are the
    problem and banning them will somehow cure inconsiderate and
    incompetent drivers of their faults.

    --
    Peter Headland

  20. "Nobody Here" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    citizen142 said:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4672657.stm

    I tried using a mobile a couple of times while driving long before the ban
    came into effect, and it was bleeding obvious that it affected my driving,
    so I stopped.

    I looked out the window <1> today to see a gleaming 40 tonne artic being
    reversed by a driver talking into a mobile 'phone that was pressed to his
    ear, cool or what!
    <1> It was the sound of his reversing AWD that drew my attention. It was
    just a pulsed beep, I think it should have been one of those with the robot
    voice declaring: "Caution! This vehicle's reversing....and the [censored] driver's
    on the 'phone" <repeat>.

    --
    Pete
    http:[email hidden]/P

Active in the last 60 minutes

Active in this thread

0 users · 0 guests ·0 bots ·0 total

No signed-in users are active right now.

No known search crawlers active right now.