Therapist guilty of deceiving dying man

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Therapist guilty of deceiving dying man Dec 12 2003

An alternative therapist was today found guilty of deceiving a dying man by selling him a treatment
machine which he falsely claimed could "kill" his pancreatic cancer. [...]

After four treatments, 68-year-old Gill sold a machine for £2,500 to Mr Hall, despite him saying he
would have difficult affording it.

It had in fact been bought from an Australian company for under £200. It was designed to help with
insomnia and backache.

Ten weeks later Mr Hall was dead.

How's that for pernicious nonsense, BL? Lies and delusional beliefs kill as surely greed
motivates quacks.

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Therapist guilty of deceiving dying man Dec 12 2003

An alternative therapist was today found guilty of deceiving a dying man by selling him a
treatment machine which he falsely claimed could "kill" his pancreatic cancer. [...]

After four treatments, 68-year-old Gill sold a machine for £2,500 to Mr Hall, despite him saying
he would have difficult affording it.

It had in fact been bought from an Australian company for under £200. It was designed to help with
insomnia and backache.

Ten weeks later Mr Hall was dead.

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Well, now, come on ya'll. What's the big deal. The man was dying anyway. It's possible that those
last ten weeks of his life were the best. He had some hope because of the gesture from this "altie"
therapist. Who knows, maybe he slept better with less back pain from using the machine. IMV, it was
money well spent.

Also, the dying man was tight! worrying about paying for a machine that could've help his life?
That's cheap!

pete

For 10 miserable weeks what did he need that money for ... instead of paying for a fancier coffin,
he bought himself a cheap sweet delussion of hope. A lucky man, others never get the chance.

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Therapist guilty of deceiving dying man Dec 12 2003

An alternative therapist was today found guilty of deceiving a dying man

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selling him a treatment machine which he falsely claimed could "kill" his pancreatic
cancer. [...]

After four treatments, 68-year-old Gill sold a machine for £2,500 to Mr Hall, despite him saying
he would have difficult affording it.

It had in fact been bought from an Australian company for under £200. It

was

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designed to help with insomnia and backache.

Ten weeks later Mr Hall was dead.

How's that for pernicious nonsense, BL? Lies and delusional beliefs kill

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surely greed motivates quacks.

Lies and delusional beliefs do kill sometimes, but that is not the case here. This man's tumor on
his pancreas was destined to kill him even if exposed to Truth and the harsh light of rational
thought. In this case, con-man Gill stole the money of a particularly vulnerable victim. I hope his
sentence is for twenty years or more. That should be the remainder of his useful life and
appropriate for his despicable crime.

--Rich

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Therapist guilty of deceiving dying man Dec 12 2003

An alternative therapist was today found guilty of deceiving a dying man

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selling him a treatment machine which he falsely claimed could "kill"

his

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pancreatic cancer. [...]

After four treatments, 68-year-old Gill sold a machine for £2,500 to Mr Hall, despite him saying
he would have difficult affording it.

It had in fact been bought from an Australian company for under £200. It

was

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designed to help with insomnia and backache.

Ten weeks later Mr Hall was dead.

[...]

Well, now, come on ya'll. What's the big deal. The man was dying anyway. It's possible that those
last ten weeks of his life were the best. He had some hope because of the gesture from this
"altie" therapist. Who knows, maybe he slept better with less back pain from using the machine.
IMV, it was money well spent.

Also, the dying man was tight! worrying about paying for a machine that could've help his life?
That's cheap!

Are you serious? Are you defending the [censored] who sold him the gadget?.

The moral of this story is not about the poor cancer patient, who is entitled to pursue false hopes,
I suppose, even if that exhausts family resources on quack cures, as not infrequently happens to the
detriment of spouses and families. Nor is it about other financial and emotional adjustments that
might be made if not in pursuing often arduous and exhausting quack remedies one after the other..

The moral of the story is about sleazebags, the ones who see cancer suffering as a milch cow, who
are sometimes even prepared to defraud cancer sufferers at the cost of their very lives by
persuading them against potentially curative treatments.

Hope, whether based upon reality or not, is grossly overrated. My own cancer patients taught me that
mankind, and even children, are not, in general, so fragile as to need to be told lie after lie in
drastic circumstances. Life sometimes simply does suck and there is not always anything we can do
about it..

Peter Moran

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For 10 miserable weeks what did he need that money for ... instead of

paying

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for a fancier coffin, he bought himself a cheap sweet delussion of hope. A lucky man, others never
get the chance.

An avocate for lying to the patient? Why do I have a problem with the whole notion?

r

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No I meant, he should have bought the machine before ...

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For 10 miserable weeks what did he need that money for ... instead of

paying

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for a fancier coffin, he bought himself a cheap sweet delussion of hope.

A

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lucky man, others never get the chance.

Not everyone shares your personal desire for living miserably and dying in

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cheap state of delusion.

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Therapist guilty of deceiving dying man Dec 12 2003

An alternative therapist was today found guilty of deceiving a dying

man by

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selling him a treatment machine which he falsely claimed could "kill"

his

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pancreatic cancer. [...]

After four treatments, 68-year-old Gill sold a machine for £2,500 to Mr Hall, despite him saying
he would have difficult affording it.

It had in fact been bought from an Australian company for under £200.

It was

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designed to help with insomnia and backache.

Ten weeks later Mr Hall was dead.

[...]

Well, now, come on ya'll. What's the big deal. The man was dying anyway. It's possible that those
last ten weeks of his life were the best. He had some hope because of the gesture from this
"altie" therapist. Who knows, maybe he slept better with less back pain from using the machine.
IMV, it was money well spent.

Also, the dying man was tight! worrying about paying for a machine that could've help his life?
That's cheap!

pete

You have no idea what you are talking about. The last 10 weeks of someone dying of pancreatic
cancer is horribly painful! You have never experienced extreme pain and trust me, you don't want
to...NOT EVER! Those people afflicted with that cancer want to be dead because they are in the 12th
level of hell.

r

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Tendencious point of view : The same news with a twist : After 4 non successful conventional
treatments, the late serial killer and pedofile Mr X had a last touch of humor and decided to
inflamate his family and heirs by spending the few remnants of his dilapidated fortune (product of
his usual robberies from charity boxes) by purchasing an "insomnia and backache" machine, pretending
it could cure a pancreas cancer when turned on and a red light blinked.

His family, consuetudinary unemployed and addicted in it´s totality to different hard drugs, sued
the framed seller in order to see if they could recover at least part of money invested by the
deceased, which is already due to a local drug dealer. They also sued the town where the therapist
practices, the company manufacturer of the machine, and they´re presently analizing the viability of
suing god.

Lighten up

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Therapist guilty of deceiving dying man Dec 12 2003

An alternative therapist was today found guilty of deceiving a dying

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by

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selling him a treatment machine which he falsely claimed could "kill"

his

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pancreatic cancer. [...]

After four treatments, 68-year-old Gill sold a machine for £2,500 to

Mr

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Hall, despite him saying he would have difficult affording it.

It had in fact been bought from an Australian company for under £200.

It

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was

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designed to help with insomnia and backache.

Ten weeks later Mr Hall was dead.

[...]

Well, now, come on ya'll. What's the big deal. The man was dying anyway. It's possible that
those last ten weeks of his life were the best. He had some hope because of the gesture from
this "altie" therapist. Who knows, maybe he slept better with less back pain from using the
machine. IMV, it was money well spent.

Also, the dying man was tight! worrying about paying for a machine that could've help his life?
That's cheap!

Are you serious? Are you defending the [censored] who sold him the

gadget?.

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The moral of this story is not about the poor cancer patient, who is entitled to pursue false
hopes, I suppose, even if that exhausts family resources on quack cures, as not infrequently
happens to the detriment of spouses and families. Nor is it about other financial and emotional
adjustments that might be made if not in pursuing often arduous and exhausting quack remedies one
after the other..

The moral of the story is about sleazebags, the ones who see cancer suffering as a milch cow, who
are sometimes even prepared to defraud

cancer

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sufferers at the cost of their very lives by persuading them against potentially curative
treatments.

Hope, whether based upon reality or not, is grossly overrated. My own cancer patients taught me
that mankind, and even children, are not, in general, so fragile as to need to be told lie after
lie in drastic circumstances. Life sometimes simply does suck and there is not always anything we
can do about it..

Peter Moran

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No I meant, he should have bought the machine before ...

There is no machine, therapy or any other thing that can help in the case of Pancreatic cancer. Once
diagnosed, the vast majority of patients are dead in 6 months. I have yet to hear of anyone living
beyond 12 months. The issue is early detection. Once you have some symptoms, it is too late. So
forget the magic machines, diets, etc. It isn't going to matter. The person will die and usually
dies within 6 months.

Isn't the truth a [censored] sometimes?

r

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For 10 miserable weeks what did he need that money for ... instead of

paying

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for a fancier coffin, he bought himself a cheap sweet delussion of

hope.

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A

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lucky man, others never get the chance.

Not everyone shares your personal desire for living miserably and dying

in

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a

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cheap state of delusion.

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Tendencious point of view : The same news with a twist : After 4 non successful conventional
treatments, the late serial killer and pedofile Mr

X

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had a last touch of humor and decided to inflamate his family and heirs by spending the few
remnants of his dilapidated fortune (product of his usual robberies from charity boxes) by
purchasing an "insomnia and backache" machine, pretending it could cure a pancreas cancer when
turned on and a

red

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light blinked.

His family, consuetudinary unemployed and addicted in it´s totality to different hard drugs, sued
the framed seller in order to see if they could recover at least part of money invested by the
deceased, which is already due to a local drug dealer. They also sued the town where the therapist
practices, the company manufacturer of the machine, and they´re presently analizing the viability
of suing god.

Lighten up

Say something even faintly humorous about cancer quackery and I will try.

Peter Moran

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Tendencious point of view : The same news with a twist : After 4 non successful conventional
treatments, the late serial killer and pedofile Mr X had a last touch of humor and decided to
inflamate his family and heirs by spending the few remnants of his dilapidated fortune (product of
his usual robberies from charity boxes) by purchasing an "insomnia and backache" machine,
pretending it could cure a pancreas cancer when turned on and a red light blinked.

His family, consuetudinary unemployed and addicted in it´s totality to different hard drugs, sued
the framed seller in order to see if they could recover at least part of money invested by the
deceased, which is already due to a local drug dealer. They also sued the town where the therapist
practices, the company manufacturer of the machine, and they´re presently analizing the viability
of suing god.

Lighten up

How about this one.

Person tries to justify by any means possible the successful bilking of a dying man's savings thus
cheating his remaining family out of thousands that could have been used to take care of their needs
like shelter and food. So now we have a dead father and now we add to that a suffering wife,
children without any hope for college and a better life.

Yup, I should lighten up. I would lighten up just as soon as I introduced the salesman of the
miracle machine to Mr. Claw Hammer.

r

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> Therapist guilty of deceiving dying man Dec 12 2003
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> An alternative therapist was today found guilty of deceiving a dying

man

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by

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> selling him a treatment machine which he falsely claimed could "kill"

his

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> pancreatic cancer. [...]
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> After four treatments, 68-year-old Gill sold a machine for £2,500 to

Mr

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> Hall, despite him saying he would have difficult affording it.
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> It had in fact been bought from an Australian company for under £200.

It

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was

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> designed to help with insomnia and backache.
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> Ten weeks later Mr Hall was dead.
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> [...]

Well, now, come on ya'll. What's the big deal. The man was dying anyway. It's possible that
those last ten weeks of his life were the best. He had some hope because of the gesture from
this "altie" therapist. Who knows, maybe he slept better with less back pain from using the
machine. IMV, it was money well spent.

Also, the dying man was tight! worrying about paying for a machine that could've help his life?
That's cheap!

Are you serious? Are you defending the [censored] who sold him the

gadget?.

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The moral of this story is not about the poor cancer patient, who is entitled to pursue false
hopes, I suppose, even if that exhausts family resources on quack cures, as not infrequently
happens to the detriment of spouses and families. Nor is it about other financial and emotional
adjustments that might be made if not in pursuing often arduous and exhausting quack remedies one
after the other..

The moral of the story is about sleazebags, the ones who see cancer suffering as a milch cow, who
are sometimes even prepared to defraud

cancer

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sufferers at the cost of their very lives by persuading them against potentially curative
treatments.

Hope, whether based upon reality or not, is grossly overrated. My own cancer patients taught me
that mankind, and even children, are not, in general, so fragile as to need to be told lie after
lie in drastic circumstances. Life sometimes simply does suck and there is not always anything we
can do about it..

Peter Moran

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No I meant, he should have bought the machine before ...

There is no machine, therapy or any other thing that can help in the case of Pancreatic cancer.
Once diagnosed, the vast majority of patients are dead in 6 months. I have yet to hear of anyone
living beyond 12 months. The issue is early detection. Once you have some symptoms, it is too
late. So forget the magic machines, diets, etc. It isn't going to matter. The person will die and
usually dies within 6 months.

Isn't the truth a [censored] sometimes?

r

Hey, I actually knew a patient a twelve years ago that recovered completely from pancreatic cancer
and is healthy today. It was a fluke of good luck. He is a doctor, and had symptoms of gall
bladder disease. The ultrasound showed gallstones, and a thickened gall bladder wall, so he
underwent a cholecystectomy. The surgeon found an isolated tumor on the tail of the pancreas,
performed a Whipple procedure, and the patient recovered nicely. Isn't is nice to have an
exception to prove the rule?

--Rich

Look at the fact that he blew his last savings and even borrowed money from family and friends ("he
had difficulties to gather the amount"😉 to pursue his selfish, irrational and fetishist notion that
a gadget will magicly cure such a terrible affliction. You can think this guys judgement was
severely impaired (why did he have access to money then ?) or he awarely if even at a subconscious
level, went there to buy hope and maybe only maybe a working device. As others go to church, it can
fail, and there´s no proof it will always work, so with the same criteria all priests and their
associates should be put in jail for lying about the comodity they sell (alghough no inhabitant of
the kingdom come has reappeared with testimonials).

It looks like a typical scam like the penis enlargement or the abgymnic or the sea monkeys, and
stuff like that, and it shouldn´t be punishable beyond the usual for other scam cases, or does the
fact that the guy was close to death aggravates the scam ? If you sold in the seventies a sea
monkey to a leukemia kid that was about to die and the last thing he wanted to see before departing
was the little creatures coming to life, and his wish never came true, does that make the seller
worse than before ?

And what does the original purchase price have to do with the final sale price for the case ? Why
even mentioning it ? This news is all biased and partial. What do doctors think happens in a
patients mind when it comes the time to say go home to die ? Do they all nod and drop dead ?
Don´t they have the right to try and believe whatever they want and blow their money the way they
like more ?

Maybe the seller honestly believed in the machine´s powers, and gave a customer return option, or a
factory warranty. Maybe the machine is satisfaction guaranteed !!!

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Therapist guilty of deceiving dying man Dec 12 2003

You have no idea what you are talking about. The last 10 weeks of someone dying of pancreatic
cancer is horribly painful! You have never experienced extreme pain and trust me, you don't want
to...NOT EVER! Those people afflicted with that cancer want to be dead because they are in the
12th level of hell.

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Maybe the seller honestly believed in the machine´s powers, and gave a customer return option, or
a factory warranty. Maybe the machine is satisfaction guaranteed !!!

Maybe there really are little green men from mars. Maybe Elvis is really working at a fast food
restaurant in Fort Wayne Indiana. Maybe HC really has the cure for all diseases, all cancers, and
HIV/AIDS. Maybe Bertha Veronneau really can see single molecules with and optical microscope? Maybe
baby Yurko died from vaccination complications. Maybe the magic machine seller was a a real nice guy
with intentions as pure as the driven snow.

Nope, I don't buy it. The only sort of excuse that I can accept is mental illness on the
sellers part.

r

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No I meant, he should have bought the machine before ...

There is no machine, therapy or any other thing that can help in the

case

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of Pancreatic cancer. Once diagnosed, the vast majority of patients

are

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dead in 6 months. I have yet to hear of anyone living beyond 12

months.

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The issue is early detection. Once you have some symptoms, it is too late. So forget the magic
machines, diets, etc. It isn't going to matter. The person will die and usually dies within 6
months.

Isn't the truth a [censored] sometimes?

r

Hey, I actually knew a patient a twelve years ago that recovered

completely

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from pancreatic cancer and is healthy today. It was a fluke of good

luck. He

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is a doctor, and had symptoms of gall bladder disease. The ultrasound

showed

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gallstones, and a thickened gall bladder wall, so he underwent a cholecystectomy. The surgeon
found an isolated tumor on the tail of the pancreas, performed a Whipple procedure, and the
patient recovered

nicely.

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Isn't is nice to have an exception to prove the rule?

--Rich

That is a first! If it wasn't for the good luck, he would likely be dead though. I do agree on the
exception that proves the rule however!

r

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