The Vegetarian Speaks

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Originally posted by Kurgan Gringion
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Ullrich happy to retire with a Tour win

In his last UCI race of the season yesterday in Nürnberg, Jan Ullrich revealed that had he won the
Tour de France this year, it could have been the end of his cycling career. "With a Tour victory I
would have probably retired," he was quoted by DPA. "Then I would have achieved everything in life.
Actually I am completely satisfied that I was second - that means I can ride for another year."

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I'll give him credit for one thing - he's a nice guy and a good person, .

Good people go down some Warsteiner and then get in their Porsche only to crash into a Bike rack and leave the scene of an accident. Not that DWI makes you a bad person, but that is a lot bigger negative than any positive i can think of. I mean child out of wedlock...not that I am one to care, but still.

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DWI makes you a bad person, but that is a lot bigger negative than any positive i can think of. I
mean child out of wedlock...not that I am one to care, but still.

Hey, man, he married the [censored] eventually...

Forgive me, but does: "The Vegetarian Speaks" mean JU is a vegetarian?

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Ullrich happy to retire with a Tour win

In his last UCI race of the season yesterday in Nürnberg, Jan Ullrich revealed that had he won the
Tour de France this year, it could have been

the

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end of his cycling career. "With a Tour victory I would have probably retired," he was quoted by
DPA. "Then I would have achieved everything in life. Actually I am completely satisfied that I was
second - that means I

can

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ride for another year."

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How old is Ullrich? 28 or 29?

I've known that he doesn't really have the killer instinct, but this is surprising.

The Cannibal, he's not.

I'll give him credit for one thing - he's a nice guy and a good person,

but

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he's not the poster boy for getting the most out of one's talent.

"Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote

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he's a nice guy

How do you know he's nice guy or not?

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Good people go down some Warsteiner and then get in their Porsche only to crash into a Bike rack
and leave the scene of an accident. Not that DWI makes you a bad person, but that is a lot bigger
negative than any positive i can think of. I mean child out of wedlock...not that I am one to
care, but still.

If Ullrich had backed into a dumpster or a bit of Armco (guardrail) instead of a bike rack would we
make such a big deal out of it, or is the irony so strong as to make it perpetual?

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Originally posted by Carl Sundquist
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Good people go down some Warsteiner and then get in their Porsche only to crash into a Bike rack
and leave the scene of an accident. Not that DWI makes you a bad person, but that is a lot bigger
negative than any positive i can think of. I mean child out of wedlock...not that I am one to
care, but still.

If Ullrich had backed into a dumpster or a bit of Armco (guardrail) instead of a bike rack would we
make such a big deal out of it, or is the irony so strong as to make it perpetual?

It could have been a dumpster, but it also could have been a biker. Ohh the irony is great, but he was still DWI and he left the scene of an accident.

Carl Sundquist said:

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If Ullrich had backed into a dumpster or a bit of Armco (guardrail) instead of a bike rack would
we make such a big deal out of it, or is the irony so strong as to make it perpetual?

it's still amusing to me now. and we made way too many bad jokes about it around here-

"gutenabend...polizei? jan ullrich hast mein bike gesmashed.

ja, der bike racer jan ullrich....

ja ja, mit die tdf...

nien, ich ben nicht mistaken!!!"

etc

heather
ps. yes, i know my german isn't really german

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Forgive me, but does: "The Vegetarian Speaks" mean JU is a vegetarian?

He is the Anti-Cannibal

-T

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Carl Sundquist said:

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If Ullrich had backed into a dumpster or a bit of Armco (guardrail) instead of a bike rack would
we make such a big deal out of it, or is the irony so strong as to make it perpetual?

it's still amusing to me now. and we made way too many bad jokes about it around here-

So this raises the question -- which is the most amusing?

A) Ullrich drives into a bike rack

B) VDB has "medical products" for his dog

C) Frigo busted for counterfeit hemassist (or whatever it was) which he kept at room temperature

D) The mentally fragile David Millar

E) Riis Bike Tossing

F-Z) open to nominations

NS

Nev Shea said:

So this raises the question -- which is the most amusing?

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A) Ullrich drives into a bike rack

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B) VDB has "medical products" for his dog

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C) Frigo busted for counterfeit hemassist (or whatever it was) which he kept at room temperature

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D) The mentally fragile David Millar

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E) Riis Bike Tossing

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F-Z) open to nominations

F) Getting medical advice from a guy that dopes birds.

G) Marco is hands down the most amusing driver on the pro scene.

Bob Schwartz [email hidden]

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from: cyclingnews.comnewsOpen ↗

Ullrich happy to retire with a Tour win

In his last UCI race of the season yesterday in Nürnberg, Jan Ullrich revealed that had he won
the Tour de France this year, it could have been

the

Quoted message said:

end of his cycling career. "With a Tour victory I would have probably retired," he was quoted by
DPA. "Then I would have achieved everything in life. Actually I am completely satisfied that I
was second - that means I

can

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ride for another year."

<snip>

How old is Ullrich? 28 or 29?

I've known that he doesn't really have the killer instinct, but this is surprising.

The Cannibal, he's not.

I'll give him credit for one thing - he's a nice guy and a good person,

but

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he's not the poster boy for getting the most out of one's talent.

Not only that, but he is honest. I would not make too much else out of this. He is expressing how
he felt at that moment. It does not sound like he is speaking from years of reflection. It also
sounds like winning the Tour (in
1997) was very bittersweet. After all, it made his career at the same time is seemed to set him on
the road to a kind of cycling purgatory. I can really see hoe he would feel that way after a
career like the one he has had.

The Tour in 2004 could be the most explosive in many many years. If all goes right, this will
finally be the true clash of the titans that has yet to happen between Armstrong and Ullrich.

Especially if Ullrich is back on Telekom/T-Mobile with a kick-ass squad to support him.

And especially if Ullrich stays committed this off season and starts training 4 weeks or more before
Xmas season and all those hams, turkeys, beers and sausages.

But, Jan's a veggie now? Cannot get fat fat and be vegetarian if you ride your bike at least 200
miles/week. Impossible pretty much. You'll be losing weight if you have too much fat (over 10% by
body weight).

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It almost happened this year, but neither was on top form. Let's hope they both show up with their
respective best race fitness and preparation.

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Carl Sundquist said:

"lazysegall" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Good people go down some Warsteiner and then get in their Porsche only to crash into a Bike
rack and leave the scene of an accident. Not that DWI makes you a bad person, but that is a
lot bigger negative than any positive i can think of. I mean child out of wedlock...not that
I am one to care, but still.

If Ullrich had backed into a dumpster or a bit of Armco (guardrail) instead of a bike rack
would we make such a big deal out of it, or is the irony so strong as to make it perpetual?

It could have been a dumpster, but it also could have been a biker. Ohh the irony is great, but he
was still DWI and he left the scene of an accident.

It could have been Heinie V. doing who knows what behind a dumpster, then Ullrich would have
been a hero.

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Carl Sundquist said:

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If Ullrich had backed into a dumpster or a bit of Armco (guardrail) instead of a bike rack
would we make such a big deal out of it, or is the irony so strong as to make it perpetual?

it's still amusing to me now. and we made way too many bad jokes about it around here-

So this raises the question -- which is the most amusing?

A) Ullrich drives into a bike rack

B) VDB has "medical products" for his dog

C) Frigo busted for counterfeit hemassist (or whatever it was) which he kept at room temperature

D) The mentally fragile David Millar

E) Riis Bike Tossing

F-Z) open to nominations

I found Vandenbroucke's Dog to be by far the funniest.

It sounds suspiciously like "the dog ate my homework".

Ewoud Dronkert <[email hidden]> wrote in :"]news:[email hidden]:

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Nev Shea said:

A) Ullrich drives into a bike rack
B) VDB has "medical products" for his dog
C) Frigo busted for counterfeit hemassist (or whatever it was) which

he

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kept at room temperature
D) The mentally fragile David Millar
E) Riis Bike Tossing

f. Simoni with the South-American candy his auntie gave him.
g. Rumsas with his car stuffed full with all the best dope, all for his poor sick grandmother (or
mother-in-law, was it?).
h. Zaaf in an early post-war Tour, enormous lead, stopped to drink, only it was a whole bottle of
wine, fell asleep by the roadside, when he woke up took off in the wrong direction.
i. Karstens in a 70s TdF making a very early breakaway through a town, got out of sight, hid
behind a shed, rejoined the peloton at the back and laughed the whole day at their fruitless
chase.

"h" takes the early lead for best blooper

"i" takes the early lead for best practical joke. Damn! Makes me nostalgic for the good old days
before team DS cars had tv and radios to the riders.

NS

Ewoud Dronkert said:

Nev Shea said:

A) Ullrich drives into a bike rack
B) VDB has "medical products" for his dog
C) Frigo busted for counterfeit hemassist (or whatever it was) which he kept at room temperature
D) The mentally fragile David Millar
E) Riis Bike Tossing

f. Simoni with the South-American candy his auntie gave him.
g. Rumsas with his car stuffed full with all the best dope, all for his poor sick grandmother (or
mother-in-law, was it?).
h. Zaaf in an early post-war Tour, enormous lead, stopped to drink, only it was a whole bottle of
wine, fell asleep by the roadside, when he woke up took off in the wrong direction.
i. Karstens in a 70s TdF making a very early breakaway through a town, got out of sight, hid behind
a shed, rejoined the peloton at the back and laughed the whole day at their fruitless chase.

J) Robert Millar and Phillipe Bouvatier are sent the wrong way by a gendarme allowing Massimo
Ghirotto to win TdF stage (1988).

Regards! Stephen

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On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 19:03:16 +0200, Ewoud Dronkert <[email hidden]> wrote:

J) Robert Millar and Phillipe Bouvatier are sent the wrong way by a gendarme allowing Massimo
Ghirotto to win TdF stage (1988).

J^2 ) Francisco Perez goes the wrong way with 2 km to go in stage 3 of the Tour de Romandie (2003).
He is awarded the joint victory with Laurent Dufaux after the organisers felt sorry for him. He wins
the next stage solo anyway and takes the leader's jersey, but loses it in the final time trial to
Tyler Hamilton. A month or two later we find out he tested positive for EPO (twice!) after each of
his stage wins.

As a bonus blooper, his excuse was: "Why would I be so stupid as to win a stage, knowing that I was
going to have to pass a doping control?"

Jeff

Jeff Jones jeff@cyclingnews-punt-com said:

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J) Robert Millar and Phillipe Bouvatier are sent the wrong way by a gendarme allowing Massimo
Ghirotto to win TdF stage (1988).

Quoted message said:

J^2 ) Francisco Perez goes the wrong way with 2 km to go in stage 3 of the Tour de Romandie
(2003). He is awarded the joint victory with Laurent Dufaux after the organisers felt sorry for
him. He wins the next stage solo anyway and takes the leader's jersey, but loses it in the final
time trial to Tyler Hamilton. A month or two later we find out he tested positive for EPO (twice!)
after each of his stage wins.

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As a bonus blooper, his excuse was: "Why would I be so stupid as to win a stage, knowing that I
was going to have to pass a doping control?"

I can't think of a better example to illustrate Marx's dictum (attributed to Hegel) that "All events
in history occur, as it were, twice: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."

Other than Hank Williams and Hank Williams Jr, that is.

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G) Marco is hands down the most amusing driver on the pro scene.

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Benjamin Weiner said:

Jeff Jones jeff@cyclingnews-punt-com said:

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J) Robert Millar and Phillipe Bouvatier are sent the wrong way by a gendarme allowing Massimo
Ghirotto to win TdF stage (1988).

Quoted message said:

J^2 ) Francisco Perez goes the wrong way with 2 km to go in stage 3 of the Tour de Romandie
(2003). He is awarded the joint victory with Laurent Dufaux after the organisers felt sorry for
him. He wins the next stage solo anyway and takes the leader's jersey, but loses it in the final
time trial to Tyler Hamilton. A month or two later we find out he tested positive for EPO
(twice!) after each of his stage wins.

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As a bonus blooper, his excuse was: "Why would I be so stupid as to win a stage, knowing that I
was going to have to pass a doping control?"

I can't think of a better example to illustrate Marx's dictum (attributed to Hegel) that "All
events in history occur, as it were, twice: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."

Other than Hank Williams and Hank Williams Jr, that is.

So what would you say about Hank III?

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