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  1. Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:02:25 -0700
    Subject: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell

    The best recommended comment from the story about Kelowna's illegal
    mtb courses. The truth. It happens here, too -- not just in the USA
    and California, etc., like the Mayor likes to remind me. This guy,
    "Joe Public", could not have stated it better:

    "I was the live-in caretaker on Knox Mountain for two years. This is a
    city park and not a mountain bike course and the problem lies
    completely with the mentality of the mountain bikers. The city parks
    department went to great lengths to allow and accomodate mountain
    bikers within the park by discussing needs with mountain bikers and by
    creating authorised trails for them to use.

    The problem is that most mountain bikers want to do what they want and
    go where they want to go. They do not like to follow trails or remain
    is selected areas, they like to create trails and jumps, and they are
    destroying the park in the process.

    I have personally spoken to several "leaders" of local mountain bike
    clubs and several owners of local mountain bike stores. Up front they
    claim to be supportive of the park rules, yet when they think that no
    one is watching, they lead groups of riders down pristine park fields,
    creating new trails which will continue to erode for decades, or they
    sneak into the park after hours to ride with headlamps.

    When approached on unauthorised trails, university educated riders
    claim to have not seen the signs and curiously, the next time you
    catch them on the same unauthorised trails, the signs have all been
    knocked down. These same "leaders" were asked to form work crews to
    repair the destruction of the city parks, yet not one rider cared
    enough to show up. The rampant lack of respect for Kelowna's parks by
    the mountain biking community is the main reason why I did not renew
    my contract within the park.

    Over the course of 6 years, the mountain biking community of Kelowna
    has shown no concern for the park itself, and as such and for the sake
    of the park, should be banned completely. It will take 20 years to
    repair the damage of their unauthorised rides.
    --
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
    years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

  2. snip!!!!

    You are qualified in no way, shape or form to comment on anything. This is
    because you have demonstrated time and again that you are senile and
    demented.

    Be careful or the sanitorium may revoke your computer privileges.

  3. On Jun 19, 11:58 pm, "Ist-e Mundus, Furia bundus" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    snip!!!!

    You are qualified in no way, shape or form to comment on anything. This is
    because you have demonstrated time and again that you are senile and
    demented.

    Be careful or the sanitorium may revoke your computer privileges.

    Don't forget the fact he is sociopathic and malignant personality
    disorder...he's a crackpot!

  4. Furia bundus said:

    snip!!!!

    You are qualified in no way, shape or form to comment on anything. This is
    because you have demonstrated time and again that you are senile and
    demented.

    Be careful or the sanitorium may revoke your computer privileges.

    Talking to yourself? Learn how to post a reply.
    --
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
    years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

  5. Snip, again.

    What would possess anyone to repost your drivel? One only has to see that
    you sent the post to know there is nothing worthwhile in it, so keeping it
    in a reply is a waste of bandwidth. Pretty much like you are a waste of skin
    and natural resources.

    BTW, you replied.

  6. Furia bundus said:

    Snip, again.

    What would possess anyone to repost your drivel? One only has to see that
    you sent the post to know there is nothing worthwhile in it, so keeping it
    in a reply is a waste of bandwidth. Pretty much like you are a waste of skin
    and natural resources.

    BTW, you replied.

    Whom are you talking to? Yourself?
    --
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
    years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

  7. Jeff Strickland said:


    "Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Furia bundus said:

    Snip, again.

    What would possess anyone to repost your drivel? One only has to see that
    you sent the post to know there is nothing worthwhile in it, so keeping it
    in a reply is a waste of bandwidth. Pretty much like you are a waste of
    skin
    and natural resources.

    BTW, you replied.

    Whom are you talking to? Yourself?

    You seem to be the only one confused about whom he is speaking to. The rest
    of us figured it out before you pointed out his mistake.

    No, you only IMAGINED that you figured it out. Just like you IMAGINED
    that you aren't a moron.
    --
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
    years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

  8. "Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Whom are you talking to? Yourself?

    You seem to be the only one confused about whom he is speaking to. The
    rest
    of us figured it out before you pointed out his mistake.

    No, you only IMAGINED that you figured it out. Just like you IMAGINED
    that you aren't a moron.

    I know I'm not a moron, you are questionable. No, we know you are a moron,
    there's no question.

  9. Jeff Strickland said:


    "Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >
    > Whom are you talking to? Yourself?

    You seem to be the only one confused about whom he is speaking to. The
    rest
    of us figured it out before you pointed out his mistake.

    No, you only IMAGINED that you figured it out. Just like you IMAGINED
    that you aren't a moron.

    I know I'm not a moron, you are questionable. No, we know you are a moron,
    there's no question.

    The fact that you don't know you are a moron PROVES you are a moron.
    Everybody ELSE knows it.
    --
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
    years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

  10. email hidden said:


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    No, you only IMAGINED that you figured it out. Just like you IMAGINED
    that you aren't a moron.

    Would that be the same as you imagining you wrote a book, remember you
    did state this previously...yet no evidence produced.

    Or that you imagine yourself to be some great important martyr for
    "the cause" while working for a company that rapes the environment in
    the name of technology.

    Or that you imagined you didn't fly to australia...but state you
    walked to the airport...yet never admit to flying in the first
    place...

    Or like you imagine every time you post that picture of Mike VandeRman
    running beside the bike, you try and claim that physical specimen as
    you when everyone knows it isn' even close...

    You malignant being.

    Still waiting for your explanation of why you deliberately LIED:

    "I found this picture of Mike Vanderman protesting a bike race...he is
    trying to run down the biker...that crazy Mike!! He's always good for
    a laugh.

    bikehugger.comnugget thumb.jpg"

    You aren't going to live this down, until you admit your dishonesty.
    --
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
    years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

  11. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    No, you only IMAGINED that you figured it out. Just like you IMAGINED
    that you aren't a moron.

    Would that be the same as you imagining you wrote a book, remember you
    did state this previously...yet no evidence produced.

    Or that you imagine yourself to be some great important martyr for
    "the cause" while working for a company that rapes the environment in
    the name of technology.

    Or that you imagined you didn't fly to australia...but state you
    walked to the airport...yet never admit to flying in the first
    place...

    Or like you imagine every time you post that picture of Mike VandeRman
    running beside the bike, you try and claim that physical specimen as
    you when everyone knows it isn' even close...

    You malignant being.

    You have serious posting issues, OR you have killfiled Mike and reply to him
    anyhow via the posts of others.

  12. "Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    The fact that you don't know you are a moron PROVES you are a moron.
    Everybody ELSE knows it.

    Pot. Kettle. Black. Again.

  13. Mike Vandeman said:

    Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:02:25 -0700
    Subject: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell

    The best recommended comment from the story about Kelowna's illegal
    mtb courses. The truth. It happens here, too -- not just in the USA
    and California, etc., like the Mayor likes to remind me. This guy,
    "Joe Public", could not have stated it better:

    "I was the live-in caretaker on Knox Mountain for two years. This is a
    city park and not a mountain bike course and the problem lies
    completely with the mentality of the mountain bikers. The city parks
    department went to great lengths to allow and accomodate mountain
    bikers within the park by discussing needs with mountain bikers and by
    creating authorised trails for them to use.

    The problem is that most mountain bikers want to do what they want and
    go where they want to go. They do not like to follow trails or remain
    is selected areas, they like to create trails and jumps, and they are
    destroying the park in the process.

    I have personally spoken to several "leaders" of local mountain bike
    clubs and several owners of local mountain bike stores. Up front they
    claim to be supportive of the park rules, yet when they think that no
    one is watching, they lead groups of riders down pristine park fields,
    creating new trails which will continue to erode for decades, or they
    sneak into the park after hours to ride with headlamps.

    When approached on unauthorised trails, university educated riders
    claim to have not seen the signs and curiously, the next time you
    catch them on the same unauthorised trails, the signs have all been
    knocked down. These same "leaders" were asked to form work crews to
    repair the destruction of the city parks, yet not one rider cared
    enough to show up. The rampant lack of respect for Kelowna's parks by
    the mountain biking community is the main reason why I did not renew
    my contract within the park.

    Over the course of 6 years, the mountain biking community of Kelowna
    has shown no concern for the park itself, and as such and for the sake
    of the park, should be banned completely. It will take 20 years to
    repair the damage of their unauthorised rides.
    --
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
    years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

    Alas, the true Biker!:

    http://latinolaughter.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/camp.jpg

  14. email hidden said:

    .

    Quoted message said:


    You have serious posting issues, OR you have killfiled Mike and reply to him
    anyhow via the posts of others.- Hide quoted text -

    - Show quoted text -

    My apoligies for my incorrect netiquette. Either way...I see his
    response to my post was to try and pan off that photo as himself
    again, even though it isn't his Name!

    That's why you posted it: you thought you could convince people that
    it's me, LIAR.
    --
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
    years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

  15. chatnoir said:
    Mike Vandeman said:

    Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:02:25 -0700
    Subject: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell

    The best recommended comment from the story about Kelowna's illegal
    mtb courses. The truth. It happens here, too -- not just in the USA
    and California, etc., like the Mayor likes to remind me. This guy,
    "Joe Public", could not have stated it better:

    "I was the live-in caretaker on Knox Mountain for two years. This is a
    city park and not a mountain bike course and the problem lies
    completely with the mentality of the mountain bikers. The city parks
    department went to great lengths to allow and accomodate mountain
    bikers within the park by discussing needs with mountain bikers and by
    creating authorised trails for them to use.

    The problem is that most mountain bikers want to do what they want and
    go where they want to go. They do not like to follow trails or remain
    is selected areas, they like to create trails and jumps, and they are
    destroying the park in the process.

    I have personally spoken to several "leaders" of local mountain bike
    clubs and several owners of local mountain bike stores. Up front they
    claim to be supportive of the park rules, yet when they think that no
    one is watching, they lead groups of riders down pristine park fields,
    creating new trails which will continue to erode for decades, or they
    sneak into the park after hours to ride with headlamps.

    When approached on unauthorised trails, university educated riders
    claim to have not seen the signs and curiously, the next time you
    catch them on the same unauthorised trails, the signs have all been
    knocked down. These same "leaders" were asked to form work crews to
    repair the destruction of the city parks, yet not one rider cared
    enough to show up. The rampant lack of respect for Kelowna's parks by
    the mountain biking community is the main reason why I did not renew
    my contract within the park.

    Over the course of 6 years, the mountain biking community of Kelowna
    has shown no concern for the park itself, and as such and for the sake
    of the park, should be banned completely. It will take 20 years to
    repair the damage of their unauthorised rides.
    --
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
    years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

    Alas, the true Biker!:

    http://latinolaughter.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/camp.jpg

    We know. Mountain biking causes impotence. The brain is the first
    thing to go.
    --
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
    years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

  16. Quoted message said:

    My apoligies for my incorrect netiquette. Either way...I see his
    response to my post was to try and pan off that photo as himself
    again, even though it isn't his Name!

    Quoted message said:

    That's why you posted it: you thought you could convince people that
    it's me, LIAR.

    Actually, if you remember correctly, but knowing your mind's capacity
    and your ailments will not allow this to take place...it was posted to
    MAKE FUN and done so exactly as reads just because I knew it would
    stick with YOU and bother YOU even though it wasn't you. Which it
    evidently has worked well. You lie so often you can't keep up with
    yourself.

  17. email hidden said:
    Quoted message said:

    My apoligies for my incorrect netiquette. Either way...I see his
    response to my post was to try and pan off that photo as himself
    again, even though it isn't his Name!

    Quoted message said:

    That's why you posted it: you thought you could convince people that
    it's me, LIAR.

    Actually, if you remember correctly, but knowing your mind's capacity
    and your ailments will not allow this to take place...it was posted to
    MAKE FUN and done so exactly as reads just because I knew it would
    stick with YOU and bother YOU even though it wasn't you. Which it
    evidently has worked well. You lie so often you can't keep up with
    yourself.

    You keep changing your story, but you still haven't answered why you
    felt it necessary to LIE!

    Still waiting for your explanation of why you deliberately LIED:

    "I found this picture of Mike Vanderman protesting a bike race...he is
    trying to run down the biker...that crazy Mike!! He's always good for
    a laugh.

    bikehugger.comnugget thumb.jpg"

    You aren't going to live this down, until you admit your dishonesty.
    --
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
    years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

  18. "Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    email hidden said:
    Quoted message said:

    My apoligies for my incorrect netiquette. Either way...I see his
    response to my post was to try and pan off that photo as himself
    again, even though it isn't his Name!

    Quoted message said:

    That's why you posted it: you thought you could convince people that
    it's me, LIAR.

    Actually, if you remember correctly, but knowing your mind's capacity
    and your ailments will not allow this to take place...it was posted to
    MAKE FUN and done so exactly as reads just because I knew it would
    stick with YOU and bother YOU even though it wasn't you. Which it
    evidently has worked well. You lie so often you can't keep up with
    yourself.

    You keep changing your story, but you still haven't answered why you
    felt it necessary to LIE!

    Still waiting for your explanation of why you deliberately LIED:

    "I found this picture of Mike Vanderman protesting a bike race...he is
    trying to run down the biker...that crazy Mike!! He's always good for
    a laugh.

    bikehugger.comnugget thumb.jpg"

    Is your name Mike Vanderman or is it Mike Vandeman? I'm not saying you
    aren't crazy in any case, but you seem to miss the obvious. For instance,
    the spelling of your own name would appear to elude you. Yet another
    discrepancy that calls into question anything you have to say. You are a
    very special man Mr Vandepoopy.

    Did you catch that one? Perhaps YOU should learn to read. Try this one: Eat
    [censored] and die Mike Vanderwanker.

    Quoted message said:

    You aren't going to live this down, until you admit your dishonesty.
    --
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
    years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
    fond of!

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

  19. Furia bundus said:


    "Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    email hidden said:

    >My apoligies for my incorrect netiquette. Either way...I see his
    >response to my post was to try and pan off that photo as himself
    >again, even though it isn't his Name!

    >That's why you posted it: you thought you could convince people that
    >it's me, LIAR.

    Actually, if you remember correctly, but knowing your mind's capacity
    and your ailments will not allow this to take place...it was posted to
    MAKE FUN and done so exactly as reads just because I knew it would
    stick with YOU and bother YOU even though it wasn't you. Which it
    evidently has worked well. You lie so often you can't keep up with
    yourself.

    You keep changing your story, but you still haven't answered why you
    felt it necessary to LIE!

    Still waiting for your explanation of why you deliberately LIED:

    "I found this picture of Mike Vanderman protesting a bike race...he is
    trying to run down the biker...that crazy Mike!! He's always good for
    a laugh.

    bikehugger.comnugget thumb.jpg"

    Is your name Mike Vanderman or is it Mike Vandeman? I'm not saying you
    aren't crazy in any case, but you seem to miss the obvious. For instance,
    the spelling of your own name would appear to elude you. Yet another
    discrepancy that calls into question anything you have to say. You are a
    very special man Mr Vandepoopy.

    Did you catch that one? Perhaps YOU should learn to read. Try this one: Eat
    [censored] and die Mike Vanderwanker.

    Thanks for demonstrating exactly what mountain bikers are like! Is
    there any LOWER form of human life on the planet?!
    --
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
    years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

  20. Now the subject line agrees with the OP 🙂

    Mike Vandeman said:

    On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:47:44 -0600, "Ist-e Mundus, Furia bundus"

    Quoted message said:

    "MikeVandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 00:30:46 -0700 (PDT), "[email hidden]"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>My apoligies for my incorrect netiquette. Either way...I see his
    >>response to my post was to try and pan off that photo as himself
    >>again, even though it isn't his Name!

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>That's why you posted it: you thought you could convince people that
    >>it's me, LIAR.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >Actually, if you remember correctly, but knowing your mind's capacity
    >and your ailments will not allow this to take place...it was posted to
    >MAKE FUN and done so exactly as reads just because I knew it would
    >stick with YOU and bother YOU even though it wasn't you. Which it
    >evidently has worked well. You lie so often you can't keep up with
    >yourself.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    You keep changing your story, but you still haven't answered why you
    felt it necessary to LIE!

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Still waiting for your explanation of why you deliberately LIED:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "I found this picture of Mike Vanderman protesting a bike race...he is
    trying to run down the biker...that crazy Mike!! He's always good for
    a laugh.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    bikehugger.comnugget thumb.jpg"

    Quoted message said:

    Is your name Mike Vanderman or is it MikeVandeman? I'm not saying you
    aren't crazy in any case, but you seem to miss the obvious. For instance,
    the spelling of your own name would appear to elude you. Yet another
    discrepancy that calls into question anything you have to say. You are a
    very special man Mr Vandepoopy.

    Quoted message said:

    Did you catch that one? Perhaps YOU should learn to read. Try this one: Eat
    [censored] and die Mike Vanderwanker.

    Thanks for demonstrating exactly what mountain bikers are like! Is
    there any LOWER form of human life on the planet?!
    --
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
    years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

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