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  1. In my town (Bellaire) the posted speed limit is 30mph on local roads. A highly trafficked street
    into my neighborhood is two laned an cars must cross the double yellow stripe to pass
    me. Sometimes oncoming traffic does not permit this and drivers get impatient and pass me exceeding
    the posted speed limit. Lately, I have taken to pointing out the 30mph speed limit signs to
    those impatient drivers that think my 22 mph is too slow. Since the local police are quite
    dilligent in enforcing the law, this is usually enough to keep the scofflaws in ceck.

    Yesterday, I noticed a 5.0 liter Mustang (you know the kind) behind me at a traffic light. After the
    light changed, I went through the intersection and dutifully pointedout the 30 mph sign as I went by
    as a reminder. I noted that I was doing 23 mph at the time. Well I cranked it up. I did not want to
    be passed by a Mustang. By the time the next speed limit sign appeared (there's one every quarter
    mile) I was doing 30. I held that until I had to turn off on to my street.

    The reason I am quite pleased to report this is that it was all done on the Giro with 10 lbs of
    clothes in my panniers, fenders, and my SON Hub generator.

    --

    Cletus D. Lee Bacchetta Giro Lightning Voyager clee.orgclee.org
    - Bellaire, TX USA -

  2. Cletus Lee <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    In my town (Bellaire) the posted speed limit is 30mph on local roads. A highly trafficked street
    into my neighborhood is two laned an cars must cross the double yellow stripe to pass
    me. Sometimes oncoming traffic does not permit this and drivers get impatient and pass me
    exceeding the posted speed limit. Lately, I have taken to pointing out the 30mph speed limit
    signs to those impatient drivers that think my 22 mph is too slow. Since the local police are
    quite dilligent in enforcing the law, this is usually enough to keep the scofflaws in ceck.

    Yesterday, I noticed a 5.0 liter Mustang (you know the kind) behind me at a traffic light. After
    the light changed, I went through the intersection and dutifully pointedout the 30 mph sign as I
    went by as a reminder. I noted that I was doing 23 mph at the time. Well I cranked it up. I did
    not want to be passed by a Mustang. By the time the next speed limit sign appeared (there's one
    every quarter mile) I was doing 30. I held that until I had to turn off on to my street.

    The reason I am quite pleased to report this is that it was all done on the Giro with 10 lbs of
    clothes in my panniers, fenders, and my SON Hub generator.

    I have read your posts for some time, and you seem to be a very reasonable individual. That is why I
    am uncertain about the naure of this particular post. I would hope that you are not "taking the
    lane" unless IT IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. Pointing out a speed limit sign while you impede a motorist
    strikes me as being somewhat arrogant, if not outright inflammatory. Unless you are in immediate
    danger, why not leave traffic enforcement to the properly trained professionals? I hope that I have
    misinterpreted your post. There are several riders in our club that refuse to move to the side of
    the road to allow motorists to pass. Frankly, I think that they are abject morons. It would not
    distress me too greatly to see them run over. An arrogant and inconsiderate cyclist is no better
    than an arrogant and inconsiderate motorist. A plague on both of them.

  3. You have a problem getting passed by cars? On a bike?????????

  4. Quoted message said:

    I have read your posts for some time, and you seem to be a very reasonable individual. That is why
    I am uncertain about the naure of this particular post. I would hope that you are not "taking the
    lane" unless IT IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. Pointing out a speed limit sign while you impede a
    motorist strikes me as being somewhat arrogant, if not outright inflammatory. Unless you are in
    immediate danger, why not leave traffic enforcement to the properly trained professionals? I hope
    that I have misinterpreted your post. There are several riders in our club that refuse to move to
    the side of the road to allow motorists to pass. Frankly, I think that they are abject morons. It
    would not distress me too greatly to see them run over. An arrogant and inconsiderate cyclist is
    no better than an arrogant and inconsiderate motorist. A plague on both of them.

    Maybe Cletus has the same concern I do. In my neighborhood the speed limit is 25 mph, and for good
    reason. It's a residential area with plenty of kids and cars parked along side the road. I have no
    trouble maintaining the speed limit for much of road, and on the downhill parts I can far exceed the
    speed limit if I want. Nevertheless, it seems to me that every car believes they must pass me no
    matter what speed I'm going. I guess just because I'm on a bike. I find this rather unsafe since I
    take the lane once I approached or exceed 25 mph (to avoid getting doored) and there is suppose to
    be no passing in our neighborhood. I think that some car drivers forget about the speed limit when
    they see a bike and just feel they must get in front.

    Brian

  5. I got something else out of Cletus's post. What I got was his annoyance at speeders.

    We know nothing about the street he was riding on besides the double stripe and single lane. We
    don't know if it had a shoulder, a curb, or a ditch, how wide the lane was, or any other of the
    factoids that fold into a BCI rating.

    He seemed upset at drivers who were driving dangerously. Not yeilding the lane was probably not
    so much about his being hyper kinetic (though... Damn) but about being blasted past while at or
    near the speed
    limit.

    I don't pretend to have a solution to the problem Cletus describes except enforcement and better
    roads. Driving is not a sink for excess testosterone. Though the earlier post was also valid
    about not being a crit mass of one. Riding or driving is an activity that requires only slightly
    less responsibility and commitment than voting. Sadly, sometimes the same inappropriate organ is
    used for both.

    Randy

    MLB said:

    You have a problem getting passed by cars? On a bike?????????

  6. MLB <[email hidden]> wrote:
    : You have a problem getting passed by cars? On a bike?????????

    Hmm you one of those carbon M5 guys????!!!!1

    --
    Risto Varanka | helsinki.fihpv.html varis at no spam please iki fi

  7. Randy N. <[email hidden]> wrote:
    : I don't pretend to have a solution to the problem Cletus describes except enforcement and
    : better roads.

    How about peer pressure... applied early on?

    Yielding at 30 mph could often be unsafe and not very smart. I think trying to hide in traffic is
    not a good tactic for a cyclist. Purposefully blocking the road is another thing, though.

    --
    Risto Varanka | helsinki.fihpv.html varis at no spam please iki fi

  8. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    Cletus Lee <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    In my town (Bellaire) the posted speed limit is 30mph on local roads. A highly trafficked street
    into my neighborhood is two laned an cars must cross the double yellow stripe to pass
    me. Sometimes oncoming traffic does not permit this and drivers get impatient and pass me
    exceeding the posted speed limit. ...

    I have read your posts for some time, and you seem to be a very reasonable individual. That is why
    I am uncertain about the naure of this particular post. I would hope that you are not "taking the
    lane" unless IT IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.

    It is a two lane road of substandard width. There is not room for a cycle and a car to share the
    lane. If there were, it would not be an issue. As another poster pointed out, Some people in cars
    see a cyclist and believe that they _must_ pass not considering the speed of the cyclist or whether
    it can be done safely.

    Quoted message said:

    Pointing out a speed limit sign while you impede
    a motorist strikes me as being somewhat arrogant,

    By pointing out the sign I am saying "if you can't pass me and stay with-in the speed limit, don't
    try." Too often, impatience and poor judgement causes someone behind to attempt to pass when there
    is a gap in oncoming traffic. Too late the 'passer' realizes there is not enough room. Guess who
    ends up getting squeezed?

    Quoted message said:

    ... Unless you are in immediate danger, why not leave traffic enforcement to the properly trained
    professionals?

    I am in danger everytime some idiot attempts to pass me when there is not enough room for them to do
    so safely.

    The Bellaire police do an excellent job of enforcing the speed limits. (Some say thay do too good a
    job.) Since everyone knows the 30 mph speed limit _will_ be enforced if the cops are around, usually
    a reminder of what that speed limit is will be all it takes to keep traffic moving safely behind me
    and around me.

    The purpose of my post was to express pride that I could maintain the speed limit and give cars no
    excuse to try to pass and compromise my safety.
    --
    Cletus D. Lee Bacchetta Giro Lightning Voyager clee.orgclee.org
    - Bellaire, TX USA -

  9. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    You have a problem getting passed by cars? On a bike?????????


    I have a problem getting passed by cars when I am traveling on my bike at or near the posted speed.

    --
    Cletus D. Lee Bacchetta Giro Lightning Voyager clee.orgclee.org
    - Bellaire, TX USA -

  10. I think I know Cletus well enough to vouch for him. He is neither arrogant nor inconsiderate, but
    he is an assertive, defensive cyclist, as am I. He does, however, get a little competetive at
    times (as do
    I). A bicycle is a vehicle by law in all 50 states. When cyclists move to the shoulder (when
    available) it is only as a courtesy to motorists, not because is is required by law. Of course, in
    Bellaire, TX, there are no shoulders--strictly curbs and gutters, or a narrow road flanked by deep
    ditches. The main drag has a bike lane, but you must share it with busses, parked cars, broken
    glass, discarded engine blocks, and low-hanging branches, so it's not always useable. Personally,
    I like to allow myself 4-6 feet of buffer between me and the curb or parked cars. If the lane is
    wide enough (wider then 14 feet) I don't mind sharing it with other vehicles. However, very often
    this is not the case. Defensive driving (whether you're driving a car, motorcycle or a bicycle)
    demands that you assert your space in the travel lane when you cannot safely share the lane. I am
    constantly checking my helmet mirror for who is behind me, how fast, how big a vehicle, how close,
    etc. Courtesy is also an integral part of bicycle safety; there's no point in delaying anybody
    unnecessarily, so whenever it's safe to do so, I make room to be safely passed within my lane, but
    always with an eye to what's up in the road ahead, making sure my courtesy doesn't get me into a
    tight spot ahead. I adjust my position in the lane to clearly telegraph my intentions, especially
    when approaching an intersection. When cyclists get into trouble, it's often because they were
    riding too far to the right: they get squeezed into the gutter, they get "hooked" by motorists
    turning right, or they get "doored." God forbid they're riding on the sidewalk--that's how you get
    backed over by a Suburban coming out of a driveway.

    Don't fault Cletus for claiming his space. By law, he has just as much right to be there as they guy
    in the Mustang, and if the Mustang driver wants to pass, by law he must do so without exceeding the
    speed limit or crossing a solid yellow line.

    Now having said all that, I do have to fault Cletus for letting his competetive streak run amok.
    Dude, take a pill!

    Bill Anton 2001 Vision R-40 SWB 26x26 OSS Lubbock, TX, USA

    [email hidden] (Steve in SC) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Cletus Lee <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    In my town (Bellaire) the posted speed limit is 30mph on local roads. A highly trafficked street
    into my neighborhood is two laned an cars must cross the double yellow stripe to pass
    me. Sometimes oncoming traffic does not permit this and drivers get impatient and pass me
    exceeding the posted speed limit. Lately, I have taken to pointing out the 30mph speed
    limit signs to those impatient drivers that think my 22 mph is too slow. Since the local
    police are quite dilligent in enforcing the law, this is usually enough to keep the
    scofflaws in ceck.

    Yesterday, I noticed a 5.0 liter Mustang (you know the kind) behind me at a traffic light. After
    the light changed, I went through the intersection and dutifully pointedout the 30 mph sign as I
    went by as a reminder. I noted that I was doing 23 mph at the time. Well I cranked it up. I did
    not want to be passed by a Mustang. By the time the next speed limit sign appeared (there's one
    every quarter mile) I was doing 30. I held that until I had to turn off on to my street.

    The reason I am quite pleased to report this is that it was all done on the Giro with 10 lbs of
    clothes in my panniers, fenders, and my SON Hub generator.

    I have read your posts for some time, and you seem to be a very reasonable individual. That is why
    I am uncertain about the naure of this particular post. I would hope that you are not "taking the
    lane" unless IT IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. Pointing out a speed limit sign while you impede a
    motorist strikes me as being somewhat arrogant, if not outright inflammatory. Unless you are in
    immediate danger, why not leave traffic enforcement to the properly trained professionals? I hope
    that I have misinterpreted your post. There are several riders in our club that refuse to move to
    the side of the road to allow motorists to pass. Frankly, I think that they are abject morons. It
    would not distress me too greatly to see them run over. An arrogant and inconsiderate cyclist is
    no better than an arrogant and inconsiderate motorist. A plague on both of them.

  11. Just my thought as an over-the-hill taxi driver and Lance wish-I-were. When I approach a pelloton,
    maintaining a high speed in a bike lane, I slow down, match his/her speed, check my speedometer, and
    just parallel him/her for a while, and then, very carefully, slowly accelerate away, taking care not
    to spook the pedalist. When I have passengers and my head swings around toward a bike, passengers
    figure I am either admiring the scantily clad female on it, or am gay, when in reality, I am trying
    to read the downtube or see if it's a close ratio gear cluster for flat terrain.

    --

    Joel Wilson Fort Lauderdale
    =========================================
    Proud 2 B a pioneering satellite radio subscriber AI4I is always on the trailing edge of technology
    =========================================

  12. Cletus D. Lee <[email hidden]> wrote in news:MPG.19daa976e88cec6a989a50 @News.Individual.NET:

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    You have a problem getting passed by cars? On a bike?????????


    I have a problem getting passed by cars when I am traveling on my bike at or near the
    posted speed.

    But if the speed limit is 30 and you're going 25 why shouldn't he pass you if it's safe to do so?
    People in cars expect to overtake a biker QUICKLY, it IS deceptively slow to overtake a biker going
    20+ mph, thus they find themselves running out of room, or some just won't "lose". I was really
    commenting more on your 'competetivness' with vehicles outweighing you by a couple of tons 🙂

  13. "Cletus Lee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In my town (Bellaire) the posted speed limit is 30mph on local roads. A


    highly trafficked

    Quoted message said:

    street into my neighborhood is two laned an cars must cross the double


    yellow stripe to pass

    Quoted message said:

    me. Sometimes oncoming traffic does not permit this and drivers get


    impatient and pass me

    Quoted message said:

    exceeding the posted speed limit. Lately, I have taken to pointing out the


    30mph speed limit

    Quoted message said:

    signs to those impatient drivers that think my 22 mph is too slow. Since


    the local police are

    Quoted message said:

    quite dilligent in enforcing the law, this is usually enough to keep the


    scofflaws in ceck.

    Quoted message said:


    Yesterday, I noticed a 5.0 liter Mustang (you know the kind) behind me at


    a traffic light.

    Quoted message said:

    After the light changed, I went through the intersection and dutifully


    pointedout the 30 mph

    Quoted message said:

    sign as I went by as a reminder. I noted that I was doing 23 mph at the


    time. Well I cranked

    Quoted message said:

    it up. I did not want to be passed by a Mustang. By the time the next


    speed limit sign appeared

    Quoted message said:

    (there's one every quarter mile) I was doing 30. I held that until I had


    to turn off on to my

    Quoted message said:

    street.

    The reason I am quite pleased to report this is that it was all done on


    the Giro with 10 lbs of

    Quoted message said:

    clothes in my panniers, fenders, and my SON Hub generator.

    Congrats with your shape, Cletus. I think it's sad that a lot of people, even in this group, think
    that cars have more right to every road than other vehicles or even pedestrians.

    Regards, Torben

  14. "brian hughes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:


    speed limit if I want. Nevertheless, it seems to me that every car believes they must pass me no
    matter what speed I'm going. I guess just because I'm on a bike. I find this rather unsafe since I
    take the lane once I approached or exceed 25 mph (to avoid getting doored) and there is suppose to
    be no passing in our neighborhood. I think that some car drivers forget about the speed limit when
    they see a bike and just feel they must get in front.

    I have observed this same thing many times when riding at, or very near, the speed limit in areas
    posted 20, 25 or 30 miles per hour. Some drivers can't stand to follow a bike and will pass anyway.
    I have even had two instances, that I can remember, when police officers passed me while I was
    riding the speed limit.

    Harry Jiles

  15. "Cletus Lee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In my town (Bellaire) the posted speed limit is 30mph on local roads. A


    highly trafficked

    If this is the Bellaire associated with Hoston he should thank you as speeding tickets are a
    substantial revenue generator there.

  16. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:


    "Cletus Lee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In my town (Bellaire) the posted speed limit is 30mph on local roads. A


    highly trafficked

    If this is the Bellaire associated with Hoston he should thank you as speeding tickets are a
    substantial revenue generator there.

    I believe that ticket revenue is not a significant source of income. Bellaire, unlike the city of
    Houston surrounding it, is a place where traffic laws are enforced. I see nothing wrong with this.

    Bellaire Police will guarantee a 5 min response time to any call (usually it is less). Houston
    Police OTOH have difficulty responding to anything within 30 minutes and will not respond to traffic
    accidents unless there are personal injuries.
    --

    Cletus D. Lee Bacchetta Giro Lightning Voyager clee.orgclee.org
    - Bellaire, TX USA -

  17. Steve in SC said:

    I would hope that you are not "taking the lane" unless IT IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.

    That'll get you killed.

    Ride defensively - do not relinquish the lane unless you are absolutely certain that it is
    completely safe to do so.

    Quoted message said:

    Pointing out a speed limit sign while you impede a motorist strikes me as being somewhat
    arrogant, if not outright inflammatory.

    Whereas motorists assuming they get the lane whenever they want, and any cyclist will gladly give it
    up, regardless of safety, is not arrogant?

    Quoted message said:

    Unless you are in immediate danger,

    Again, wrong attitude - err on teh side of caution when messing with tons of steel at any speed.

    regards, Ian SMith
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  18. Cletus D. Lee <[email hidden]> wrote:

    : The purpose of my post was to express pride that I could maintain the speed limit and give cars no
    : excuse to try to pass and compromise my safety.

    Probably a good idea, as it makes the traffic flow more smoothly. At least if it fits with
    your training goals... This kind of motorpacing can make for nice and interesting (anaerobic
    though) training.

    One thing I started wondering is whether you ever get annoyed by cars hanging to your rear wheel?
    That could be annoying to tadpole riders, as those are said to stop much quicker than cars...

    --
    Risto Varanka | helsinki.fihpv.html varis at no spam please iki fi

  19. Cletus Lee <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    In my town (Bellaire) the posted speed limit is 30mph on local roads. A highly trafficked street
    into my neighborhood is two laned an cars must cross the double yellow stripe to pass
    me. Sometimes oncoming traffic does not permit this and drivers get impatient and pass me
    exceeding the posted speed limit. Lately, I have taken to pointing out the 30mph speed limit
    signs to those impatient drivers that think my 22 mph is too slow. Since the local police are
    quite dilligent in enforcing the law, this is usually enough to keep the scofflaws in ceck.

    Yesterday, I noticed a 5.0 liter Mustang (you know the kind) behind me at a traffic light. After
    the light changed, I went through the intersection and dutifully pointedout the 30 mph sign as I
    went by as a reminder. I noted that I was doing 23 mph at the time. Well I cranked it up. I did
    not want to be passed by a Mustang. By the time the next speed limit sign appeared (there's one
    every quarter mile) I was doing 30. I held that until I had to turn off on to my street.

    The reason I am quite pleased to report this is that it was all done on the Giro with 10 lbs of
    clothes in my panniers, fenders, and my SON Hub generator.

    Cletus, have you named your new Giro "Rocinante" by any chance? You'd probably be at extreme risk
    for severe personal injury in most places carrying on like you do. But hell, you'll be OK in Texas.
    It's not like Texas has an international reputation as the world's largest free range asylum for the
    criminally insane, or anything. Dibs on your Voyager if any thing unfortunate should happen to you.

  20. harryo said:

    I have even had two instances, that I can remember, when police officers passed me while I was
    riding the speed limit.

    I've had many more than two instances of police offiers passing me when I was driving a car at the
    speed limit. Why should we expect any different when we're riding HPVs? :-)

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