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    john
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    http://www.whale.to/a/smallpox_hoax.html

    [This props up vaccination which is the main pillar of allopathy. You can
    start here or just look at the quotes where you can easily see vaccination
    was the main reason for the spread of smallpox, along with every other
    infectious disease (not forgetting the effect of putting toxic pus into the
    body), and even introduced leprosy into Hawaii. Just from the statistics
    dissected by the likes of Tebb and Wallace you can see it not only failed
    but was the main cause of smallpox. Then you can see the main factors
    behind the disease were all down to poverty---poor water, sanitation (here
    the remarkable town of Leicester proved conclusively that vaccination was a
    fallacy and dangerous), diet, bedbugs, and overcrowding. Also
    non-allopathic medicine and sanitation were perfectly capable of curing and
    dealing with smallpox. Secondly you can see how the allopaths have hyped
    the dangers of smallpox to make vaccination look better and to frighten the
    population when it suits them--either to sell more vaccines or playing their
    part in the War on Terrorism Hoax. The remarkable thing about this hoax is
    that anyone believes it.]

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  2. Chris Malcolm
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    In sci.med.nutrition john said:

    http://www.whale.to/a/smallpox_hoax.html

    Quoted message said:

    [This props up vaccination which is the main pillar of allopathy.

    Vaccination is by definition homeopathic. Or do you think that if an
    orthodox doctor uses a homeopathic procedure it automatically becomes
    allopathic, and vice versa?

    --
    Chris Malcolm [email hidden] +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205
    IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
    [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

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  3. Hillary Israeli
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    In <[email hidden]>,
    Chris Malcolm <[email hidden]> wrote:

    *In sci.med.nutrition john <[email hidden]> wrote:
    *> http://www.whale.to/a/smallpox_hoax.html
    *
    *> [This props up vaccination which is the main pillar of allopathy.
    *
    *Vaccination is by definition homeopathic. Or do you think that if an

    Huh? Vaccination is not "by definition homeopathic." What is your
    definition of homeopathic, anyway? I say it means "of or pertaining to
    homeopathy," and homeopathy is a therapeutic system of medicine that is
    based on the principle of similars- like cures like - which means that a
    substance that can cause certain symptoms in a healthy person can
    allegedly cure similar symptoms in an unhealthy person. Homeopathy also
    involves diluting the substance until there is no measurable quantity
    left. Now, vaccination on the other hand has nothing to do with using
    substances which provoke symptoms in a healthy person to cure disease in
    an unhealthy person, nor does it involve diluting the substance until no
    active ingredient can be physically detected. So how is it homeopathic??

    --
    Hillary Israeli, VMD
    Lafayette Hill/PA/USA/Earth
    "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it is
    too dark to read." --Groucho Marx

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  4. john
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    "Hillary Israeli" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In <[email hidden]>,
    Chris Malcolm <[email hidden]> wrote:

    *In sci.med.nutrition john <[email hidden]> wrote:
    *> http://www.whale.to/a/smallpox_hoax.html
    *
    *> [This props up vaccination which is the main pillar of allopathy.
    *
    *Vaccination is by definition homeopathic. Or do you think that if an

    Huh? Vaccination is not "by definition homeopathic."

    Big difference between water and mercury, for starters. You can get
    homeopathic nosodes, I think they are called, which seem to act in
    preventing diseases, but all old school homeopaths, Classical ones, do not
    use them, and are scorneful of them.

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  5. Dunne E. Dawe
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    On 23 Nov 2004 16:28:33 GMT, Chris Malcolm <[email hidden]>
    posted:

    Quoted message said:
    In sci.med.nutrition john said:

    http://www.whale.to/a/smallpox_hoax.html

    Quoted message said:

    [This props up vaccination which is the main pillar of allopathy.

    Vaccination is by definition homeopathic. Or do you think that if an
    orthodox doctor uses a homeopathic procedure it automatically becomes
    allopathic, and vice versa?

    I thought homeopathic meant you dilute something past its actual
    existence and still get some "memory" from the solvent, that cures the
    disease? Vaccination is nothing like this. It is a challenge to the
    immune system by a sublethal dose of a live organism, or by the killed
    organism.

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  6. Chris Malcolm
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    In sci.med.nutrition Hillary Israeli said:

    In <[email hidden]>,
    Chris Malcolm <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    *In sci.med.nutrition john <[email hidden]> wrote:
    *> http://www.whale.to/a/smallpox_hoax.html
    *
    *> [This props up vaccination which is the main pillar of allopathy.
    *
    *Vaccination is by definition homeopathic. Or do you think that if an

    Quoted message said:

    Huh? Vaccination is not "by definition homeopathic." What is your
    definition of homeopathic, anyway? I say it means "of or pertaining to
    homeopathy," and homeopathy is a therapeutic system of medicine that is
    based on the principle of similars- like cures like - which means that a
    substance that can cause certain symptoms in a healthy person can
    allegedly cure similar symptoms in an unhealthy person. Homeopathy also
    involves diluting the substance until there is no measurable quantity
    left. Now, vaccination on the other hand has nothing to do with using
    substances which provoke symptoms in a healthy person to cure disease in
    an unhealthy person, nor does it involve diluting the substance until no
    active ingredient can be physically detected. So how is it homeopathic??

    Because it's based on the two principles of similars and very small
    doses. Recall that smallpox was once vaccinated against by using the
    similar cowpox, not the same, but similar, hence the very name
    "vaccination".

    The basic idea of homeopathy, as you say, is to cure diseases by
    giving very small amounts of something which produces the same
    symptoms. The rationale is to stimulate the body's own defences by
    this intervention. Vaccination is not quite as simple as that, because
    it prevents rather than cures, but before the germ theory of disease
    was formulated vaccination was performed by homeopaths as a homeopathic
    preventive medicine and its success was pointed to as validating
    homeopathic principles.

    --
    Chris Malcolm [email hidden] +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205
    IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
    [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

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  7. Hillary Israeli
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    In <[email hidden]>,
    Chris Malcolm <[email hidden]> wrote:

    *> *Vaccination is by definition homeopathic. Or do you think that if an
    *
    *> Huh? Vaccination is not "by definition homeopathic." What is your
    *> definition of homeopathic, anyway? I say it means "of or pertaining to
    *> homeopathy," and homeopathy is a therapeutic system of medicine that is
    *> based on the principle of similars- like cures like - which means that a
    *> substance that can cause certain symptoms in a healthy person can
    *> allegedly cure similar symptoms in an unhealthy person. Homeopathy also
    *> involves diluting the substance until there is no measurable quantity
    *> left. Now, vaccination on the other hand has nothing to do with using
    *> substances which provoke symptoms in a healthy person to cure disease in
    *> an unhealthy person, nor does it involve diluting the substance until no
    *> active ingredient can be physically detected. So how is it homeopathic??
    *
    *Because it's based on the two principles of similars and very small
    *doses. Recall that smallpox was once vaccinated against by using the
    *similar cowpox, not the same, but similar, hence the very name
    *"vaccination".
    *
    *The basic idea of homeopathy, as you say, is to cure diseases by
    *giving very small amounts of something which produces the same
    *symptoms. The rationale is to stimulate the body's own defences by
    *this intervention. Vaccination is not quite as simple as that, because
    *it prevents rather than cures, but before the germ theory of disease
    *was formulated vaccination was performed by homeopaths as a homeopathic
    *preventive medicine and its success was pointed to as validating
    *homeopathic principles.

    Well, I'm not quite buying it, but even if I were to concede that in the
    case of vaccinia vaccination this is true, it doesn't count for today's
    vaccines. There's nothing in, say, the HDCV rabies shot which produces the
    same symptoms as rabies, for example. And there's nothing in a killed
    vaccine which produces the same symptoms as the disease either (except for
    those nonspecific signs of immunological response such as fever/malaise
    due to high levels of interleukin production, which IMO doesn't count
    because almost anything can cause that).

    -h.

    --
    Hillary Israeli, VMD
    Lafayette Hill/PA/USA/Earth
    "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it is
    too dark to read." --Groucho Marx

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