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  1. http://www.abika.com/Reports/Samples/Verifycollegedegree.htm

    There is one final word I want to call your attention to: Lies. People lie.
    People in power lie BIG. This sounds harsh, but it is real. People who lie
    believe they are justified in lying, otherwise lying would be very hard. They
    see lying as part of what they have to do to accomplish some worthy purpose.
    Most of us, with our limited ambitions, are comfortable only with small lies,
    but those who have the most sweeping and wonderful plans have learned to use
    the Big Lie.

    I am very concerned about the times we are living in because people are more
    willing to listen to lies than to learn the truth. The biggest lies today, are
    committed in the name of the noblest purpose: "national security". The problem
    is that lies destroy human community and the prospect of true democracy. Lies
    may protect us, but they destroy us at the core leaving nothing worth
    protecting.

    John Stockwell, a high ranking CIA officer who dropped out and went public
    because of his conscience, says 1/3 of the people working under him were
    "propagandists." They spent time fabricating outright lies to feed into the
    U.S. press and the briefings of political figures who would be quoted in the
    press. Most of us look for biases in the news, but we generally don't expect
    outright lies.

    Truth involves not only a search but also a struggle. What can I say? Is there
    hope? I hope so! I intend to maintain my hope and to act on it. I urge you to
    help bring our hope to fulfillment by not being seduced by laziness or lies,
    but by engaging in the struggle for truth.

    http://www.stanfordalumni.org/news/magazine/1997/marapr/lsjournal/bookrevi
    ew1.html

    " . . . having made lying an accepted government function, our government is
    now overrun with liars; having made our public posture heartless as a matter of
    policy, we are now unable to bring our heart to public affairs; having made
    killing a measure of our national efforts, we watch helplessly as killing has
    become one of our principal cultural currencies; having failed to look our
    transgressions straight in the face, we have not been straight with one another
    since; having refused to live up to our values, we are now increasingly without
    values; having made language into hype, we now have nothing believable to say."

    http://www.human3.com/link7.htm

    Indeed, adopting a "zero tolerance" policy for the self with regard to lying is
    one of the first stages of acquiring Human 3 Consciousness. Your mind is in
    control as a Human 3. It is the boss of your instinct (your emotions and
    feelings), so whatever motive you may "sense" for telling a lie must also be
    known to be "rational" in order to get approved by your brain for outward
    behavior, and there are very few circumstances wherein lying is rational.

    ====
    http://www.islamicedfoundation.com/articles/article2.htm

    Even in America, "the land of prosperity and goodness," poll after poll shows
    that the average person thinks lying is okay

    http://www.islamicedfoundation.com/articles/article2.htm

    1-INTRODUCTION

    It is written, THESE SIX THINGS DOTH THE LORD HATE; YEA, SEVEN ARE AN
    ABOMINATION UNTO HIM. Three of these are as follows: A LYING TONGUE... A FALSE
    WITNESS THAT SPEAKETH LIES, AND HE THAT SOWETH DISCORD AMONG BRETHREN-Pv
    6:16,17,19.

    The Bible tells us, NONE CALLETH FOR JUSTICE, NOR ANY PLEADETH FOR TRUTH: THEY
    TRUST IN VANITY, AND SPEAK LIES; THEY CONCEIVE MISCHIEF, AND BRING FORTH
    INIQUITY-Isa 59:4.

    Are these Scriptures for today?

    The Bible tells us, THEY BEND THEIR TONGUES LIKE THEIR BOW FOR LIES: BUT THEY
    ARE NOT VALIANT FOR THE TRUTH UPON THE EARTH-Jere 9:3; AND WILL NOT SPEAK THE
    TRUTH-Jere 9:5.

    Yet, the Scripture tells us, LYING LIPS ARE ABOMINATION TO THE LORD-Pv 12:22;
    and A RIGHTEOUS MAN HATETH LYING-Pv 13:5.

    One of the biggest problems people have is honesty. Now, very few of us think
    of ourselves as dishonest. Very few of us would consider ourselves "a liar,"
    yet we all know that, at one time or another, we have lied.

    One of the problems we may have, regarding lying, is not having an honest
    enough heart to admit the truth. We may tell a little "white lie," but refuse
    to admit it was a lie. For instance, you may give your word you will be at a
    certain place at a certain time, but something comes up, and you do not keep
    your word, yet refuse to admit it was a lie. Perhaps, you may jokingly say,
    "Oh, yes, I’ll be there at three o’clock," but you aren’t. It was a lie.

    Perhaps, we are not prepared to admit what a lie really is. A lie is an
    abominable thing that God hates. Let’s put it in perspective. To say
    something in the form of a promise or a commitment and then not keep your word
    (regardless of the reason) is to lie, and God hates it. Perhaps, you say you
    will go to a certain church on a certain day, yet you do not go.

    This is a form of lying, and God hates it. If you say, "I’m going to the
    store at three p.m.," and you do not, it is a lie, and God hates it. If you
    say you will have a Bible study at four p.m. on Tuesday, but then you change
    your mind, you have lied, and God hates it. If you tell a person anything that
    is part true and part dishonest, it is a lie, and God hates it. If you say,
    someone did this or that, and it is not true, then you have told a lie about
    that person, and God hates it. If you tell your neighbor you stopped by to get
    some sugar, when the real reason you stopped by was to see her baby, you have
    just lied, and God hates it. If you say you will be at someone’s house at two
    p.m., but you have a flat tire, it is still a lie, and God hates it. What you
    should have said was, "Lord willing, I'll be there at 2 pm, or "I'll try to be
    there at 2 pm." As one might say, tell the whole truth and nothing but the
    truth.

    8-SATAN CAUSES US TO LIE

    Who causes us to lie? It is Satan. Satan works in our emotions and feelings.
    Perhaps, if we did not lie, we would embarrass ourselves, so we lie. We may try
    to cover the truth. We just cannot seem to tell the whole truth. It is written,
    Acts 5:3-BUT PETER SAID, ANANIAS, WHY HATH SATAN FILLED THINE HEART TO LIE?

    Satan is the father of lies. Satan was a liar from the beginning. Satan is a
    deceiver, and he deceiveth the whole world. Again, we are told in Col 3:9-LIE
    NOT ONE TO ANOTHER, SEEING THAT YE HAVE PUT OFF THE OLD MAN WITH HIS DEEDS.

    Once you are born-again, you are to put off the old man (Satan’s ways) and
    follow the path of complete truthfulness and honesty. If you do not, you are
    lying to (or deceiving) yourself. 1 Jn 2:4-HE THAT SAITH, I KNOW HIM, AND
    KEEPETH NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS, IS A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.

    Understand that, 1 Jn 2:21-NO LIE IS OF THE TRUTH. No lie that you ever tell
    is of God. No matter what the excuse, no matter what the reason, no matter if
    your house burns down—if you make a promise, keep it. No lie is of God. Watch
    your words. Be careful what you say, lest you misspeak and lie. Jesus never
    lied. Satan is the father of lies. Whom do you follow? "Little white lies" are
    big, abominable lies that take you to the lake of fire.

    Jan

  2. You have claimed that I lied about Cell Tech
    or their algae in a sentence that used the word
    "delibrately".

    Let's see the WHOLE sentence that had that word
    in it. Let's see a WHOLE sentence that is a LIE.
    Let's see the ACTUAL LIE you claim I told.

    Not some statement somebody else made.
    Not a statement made about the statement
    in question. The ORIGINAL STATEMENT
    that you claim is a LIE.

    Why won't you post that, Jan?

    Let's have a look at the statement in which
    I used the word "delibrately".

    Why won't you post that, Jan?

    Is the word "delibrately" the largest fragment
    from that sentence you're willing to quote?

    Why won't you show the WHOLE sentence, Jan?
    Is it because it would expose your accusations as LIES?

    I know that's a difficult concept for you to
    understand, but for me to be a LIAR, I must
    have told a LIE. That's why I keep asking for
    an example of one of these LIES you claim
    I told.

    Why won't you show me an example of a
    LIE that I made?

    Why won't you do that, Jan? Is it because if you
    posted the original statement, everybody would see
    that it is NOT a LIE?

    Is it because if you posted the original statement,
    everybody would see that it is Jan Drew who is
    the LIAR?

  3. If people lie when they believe they are telling the truth are they really
    telling lies?
    I believe there's inconstant logic (pure) and truth (impure) from a human
    point of view.
    For instance I can say "Eating that apple is safe" because I've ate apples
    before and I believe that this apple is safe.
    From a pure logical point my statement is simply a gamble - you could eat
    the apple and end up dieing because you choked or it was poisoned.
    I'm sure there's a point in there somewhere if you look hard enough.
    Ah well....
    Anth

    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.abika.com/Reports/Samples/Verifycollegedegree.htm

    There is one final word I want to call your attention to: Lies. People


    lie.

    Quoted message said:

    People in power lie BIG. This sounds harsh, but it is real. People who lie
    believe they are justified in lying, otherwise lying would be very hard.


    They

    Quoted message said:

    see lying as part of what they have to do to accomplish some worthy


    purpose.

    Quoted message said:

    Most of us, with our limited ambitions, are comfortable only with small


    lies,

    Quoted message said:

    but those who have the most sweeping and wonderful plans have learned to


    use

    Quoted message said:

    the Big Lie.

    I am very concerned about the times we are living in because people are


    more

    Quoted message said:

    willing to listen to lies than to learn the truth. The biggest lies today,


    are

    Quoted message said:

    committed in the name of the noblest purpose: "national security". The


    problem

    Quoted message said:

    is that lies destroy human community and the prospect of true democracy.


    Lies

    Quoted message said:

    may protect us, but they destroy us at the core leaving nothing worth
    protecting.

    John Stockwell, a high ranking CIA officer who dropped out and went public
    because of his conscience, says 1/3 of the people working under him were
    "propagandists." They spent time fabricating outright lies to feed into


    the

    Quoted message said:

    U.S. press and the briefings of political figures who would be quoted in


    the

    Quoted message said:

    press. Most of us look for biases in the news, but we generally don't


    expect

    Quoted message said:

    outright lies.

    Truth involves not only a search but also a struggle. What can I say? Is


    there

    Quoted message said:

    hope? I hope so! I intend to maintain my hope and to act on it. I urge you


    to

    Quoted message said:

    help bring our hope to fulfillment by not being seduced by laziness or


    lies,

    Quoted message said:

    but by engaging in the struggle for truth.

    http://www.stanfordalumni.org/news/magazine/1997/marapr/lsjournal/bookrevi
    ew1.html

    " . . . having made lying an accepted government function, our government


    is

    Quoted message said:

    now overrun with liars; having made our public posture heartless as a


    matter of

    Quoted message said:

    policy, we are now unable to bring our heart to public affairs; having


    made

    Quoted message said:

    killing a measure of our national efforts, we watch helplessly as killing


    has

    Quoted message said:

    become one of our principal cultural currencies; having failed to look our
    transgressions straight in the face, we have not been straight with one


    another

    Quoted message said:

    since; having refused to live up to our values, we are now increasingly


    without

    Quoted message said:

    values; having made language into hype, we now have nothing believable to


    say."

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.human3.com/link7.htm

    Indeed, adopting a "zero tolerance" policy for the self with regard to


    lying is

    Quoted message said:

    one of the first stages of acquiring Human 3 Consciousness. Your mind is


    in

    Quoted message said:

    control as a Human 3. It is the boss of your instinct (your emotions and
    feelings), so whatever motive you may "sense" for telling a lie must also


    be

    Quoted message said:

    known to be "rational" in order to get approved by your brain for outward
    behavior, and there are very few circumstances wherein lying is rational.

    ====
    http://www.islamicedfoundation.com/articles/article2.htm

    Even in America, "the land of prosperity and goodness," poll after poll


    shows

    Quoted message said:

    that the average person thinks lying is okay

    http://www.islamicedfoundation.com/articles/article2.htm

    1-INTRODUCTION

    It is written, THESE SIX THINGS DOTH THE LORD HATE; YEA, SEVEN ARE AN
    ABOMINATION UNTO HIM. Three of these are as follows: A LYING TONGUE... A


    FALSE

    Quoted message said:

    WITNESS THAT SPEAKETH LIES, AND HE THAT SOWETH DISCORD AMONG BRETHREN-Pv
    6:16,17,19.

    The Bible tells us, NONE CALLETH FOR JUSTICE, NOR ANY PLEADETH FOR TRUTH:


    THEY

    Quoted message said:

    TRUST IN VANITY, AND SPEAK LIES; THEY CONCEIVE MISCHIEF, AND BRING FORTH
    INIQUITY-Isa 59:4.

    Are these Scriptures for today?

    The Bible tells us, THEY BEND THEIR TONGUES LIKE THEIR BOW FOR LIES: BUT


    THEY

    Quoted message said:

    ARE NOT VALIANT FOR THE TRUTH UPON THE EARTH-Jere 9:3; AND WILL NOT SPEAK


    THE

    Quoted message said:

    TRUTH-Jere 9:5.

    Yet, the Scripture tells us, LYING LIPS ARE ABOMINATION TO THE LORD-Pv


    12:22;

    Quoted message said:

    and A RIGHTEOUS MAN HATETH LYING-Pv 13:5.

    One of the biggest problems people have is honesty. Now, very few of us


    think

    Quoted message said:

    of ourselves as dishonest. Very few of us would consider ourselves "a


    liar,"

    Quoted message said:

    yet we all know that, at one time or another, we have lied.

    One of the problems we may have, regarding lying, is not having an


    honest

    Quoted message said:

    enough heart to admit the truth. We may tell a little "white lie," but


    refuse

    Quoted message said:

    to admit it was a lie. For instance, you may give your word you will be at


    a

    Quoted message said:

    certain place at a certain time, but something comes up, and you do not


    keep

    Quoted message said:

    your word, yet refuse to admit it was a lie. Perhaps, you may jokingly


    say,

    Quoted message said:

    "Oh, yes, I'll be there at three o'clock," but you aren't. It was a lie.

    Perhaps, we are not prepared to admit what a lie really is. A lie is


    an

    Quoted message said:

    abominable thing that God hates. Let's put it in perspective. To say
    something in the form of a promise or a commitment and then not keep your


    word

    Quoted message said:

    (regardless of the reason) is to lie, and God hates it. Perhaps, you say


    you

    Quoted message said:

    will go to a certain church on a certain day, yet you do not go.

    This is a form of lying, and God hates it. If you say, "I'm going to the
    store at three p.m.," and you do not, it is a lie, and God hates it. If


    you

    Quoted message said:

    say you will have a Bible study at four p.m. on Tuesday, but then you


    change

    Quoted message said:

    your mind, you have lied, and God hates it. If you tell a person anything


    that

    Quoted message said:

    is part true and part dishonest, it is a lie, and God hates it. If you


    say,

    Quoted message said:

    someone did this or that, and it is not true, then you have told a lie


    about

    Quoted message said:

    that person, and God hates it. If you tell your neighbor you stopped by to


    get

    Quoted message said:

    some sugar, when the real reason you stopped by was to see her baby, you


    have

    Quoted message said:

    just lied, and God hates it. If you say you will be at someone's house at


    two

    Quoted message said:

    p.m., but you have a flat tire, it is still a lie, and God hates it. What


    you

    Quoted message said:

    should have said was, "Lord willing, I'll be there at 2 pm, or "I'll try


    to be

    Quoted message said:

    there at 2 pm." As one might say, tell the whole truth and nothing but the
    truth.

    8-SATAN CAUSES US TO LIE

    Who causes us to lie? It is Satan. Satan works in our emotions and


    feelings.

    Quoted message said:

    Perhaps, if we did not lie, we would embarrass ourselves, so we lie. We


    may try

    Quoted message said:

    to cover the truth. We just cannot seem to tell the whole truth. It is


    written,

    Quoted message said:

    Acts 5:3-BUT PETER SAID, ANANIAS, WHY HATH SATAN FILLED THINE HEART TO


    LIE?

    Quoted message said:


    Satan is the father of lies. Satan was a liar from the beginning. Satan


    is a

    Quoted message said:

    deceiver, and he deceiveth the whole world. Again, we are told in Col


    3:9-LIE

    Quoted message said:

    NOT ONE TO ANOTHER, SEEING THAT YE HAVE PUT OFF THE OLD MAN WITH HIS


    DEEDS.

    Quoted message said:


    Once you are born-again, you are to put off the old man (Satan's ways)


    and

    Quoted message said:

    follow the path of complete truthfulness and honesty. If you do not, you


    are

    Quoted message said:

    lying to (or deceiving) yourself. 1 Jn 2:4-HE THAT SAITH, I KNOW HIM, AND
    KEEPETH NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS, IS A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.

    Understand that, 1 Jn 2:21-NO LIE IS OF THE TRUTH. No lie that you ever


    tell

    Quoted message said:

    is of God. No matter what the excuse, no matter what the reason, no matter


    if

    Quoted message said:

    your house burns down-if you make a promise, keep it. No lie is of God.


    Watch

    Quoted message said:

    your words. Be careful what you say, lest you misspeak and lie. Jesus


    never

    Quoted message said:

    lied. Satan is the father of lies. Whom do you follow? "Little white lies"


    are

    Quoted message said:

    big, abominable lies that take you to the lake of fire.

    Jan

  4. Jan the Accuser said:
    Quoted message said:

    You have claimed that I lied about Cell Tech
    or their algae in a sentence that used the word
    "delibrately".

    Why won't you post that, Jan?

    Ding, Ding Ding.

    It was posted last night.

    You replied to it.

    Why are you still asking??

    You LIED and siad I hadn't posted it.

    You are STILL LYING.

    Ding, Ding Ding.

    The Anatoxin-a Primer implied that Super Blue Green Algae from Klamath Lake,
    produced by Cell Tech, contains anatoxin-a (a neurotoxin I characterized as
    addictive), and that Cell Tech deliberately avoids testing for this toxin
    because anatoxin-a is responsible for the effects reported by SBGA users.

    Are you claiming that it is THIS STATEMENT which is a LIE,
    not some other statement referred to by this statement?

    Because if you claim that it is some other statement -- a statement
    referred to by this statement -- which is the LIE, that's the
    statement I want you to post.

    I want you to post the ACTUAL LIE that you claim I told.

    Why won't you do that, Jan? Is it because if you
    posted the original statement, everybody would see
    that it is NOT a LIE?

    Is it because if you posted the original statement,
    everybody would see that it is Jan Drew who is
    the LIAR?

  5. --

    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: The Search For Truth
    From: Mark Thorson [email hidden]
    Date: 7/2/2003 8:23 PM Central Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    You have claimed that I lied about Cell Tech
    or their algae in a sentence that used the word
    "delibrately".

    Let's see the WHOLE sentence that had that word
    in it. Let's see a WHOLE sentence that is a LIE.
    Let's see the ACTUAL LIE you claim I told.

    Not some statement somebody else made.
    Not a statement made about the statement
    in question. The ORIGINAL STATEMENT
    that you claim is a LIE.

    Why won't you post that, Jan?

    Ding, Ding Ding.

    It was posted last night.

    You replied to it.

    Why are you still asking??

    You LIED and siad I hadn't posted it.

    You are STILL LYING.

    $ KaChing. ;o) Rich

  6. Hey, wait a minute: JD doesn't have you killfiled does she??

    Please, someone tell her!!

    (He's giving $5 to "quackquack" every time you -j.d- accuse someone of
    lying etc!!!)

    Does she know??

    Rich Shewmaker said:

    --

    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: The Search For Truth
    From: Mark Thorson [email hidden]
    Date: 7/2/2003 8:23 PM Central Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    You have claimed that I lied about Cell Tech
    or their algae in a sentence that used the word
    "delibrately".

    Let's see the WHOLE sentence that had that word
    in it. Let's see a WHOLE sentence that is a LIE.
    Let's see the ACTUAL LIE you claim I told.

    Not some statement somebody else made.
    Not a statement made about the statement
    in question. The ORIGINAL STATEMENT
    that you claim is a LIE.

    Why won't you post that, Jan?

    Ding, Ding Ding.

    It was posted last night.

    You replied to it.

    Why are you still asking??

    You LIED and siad I hadn't posted it.

    You are STILL LYING.

    $ KaChing. ;o) Rich

  7. Quoted message said:

    http://www.abika.com/Reports/Samples/Verifycollegedegree.htm

    There is one final word I want to call your attention to: Lies. Jan lies.

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    8-SATAN CAUSES US TO LIE

    Quoted message said:

    Who causes us to lie?

    Quoted message said:

    It is Satan. Satan works in our emotions and feelings.

    I guess Jan needs a scapegoat for her lies. The Devil made me do it, she
    proclaims, whilst lying her ass off. How sad, a grown woman blaming a
    mythological creature in a red union suit for her personal failings. I guess
    Jan blamed Satan for her inability to stay in school past 10th grade. Yes,
    that must be it, Satan causes stupider people to flunk out of high school just
    as he causes them to lie about it!

  8. Quoted message said:

    Hey, wait a minute: JD doesn't have you killfiled does she??

    Please, someone tell her!!

    (He's giving $5 to "quackquack" every time you -j.d- accuse someone of
    lying etc!!!)

    Does she know??

    She not only knows, but is asking people to send her reciepts to prove it to
    her!

    Quoted message said:


    Rich Shewmaker wrote:

  9. Quoted message said:

    If people lie when they believe they are telling the truth are they really
    telling lies?
    I believe there's inconstant logic (pure) and truth (impure) from a human
    point of view.
    For instance I can say "Eating that apple is safe" because I've ate apples
    before and I believe that this apple is safe.
    From a pure logical point my statement is simply a gamble - you could eat
    the apple and end up dieing because you choked or it was poisoned.
    I'm sure there's a point in there somewhere if you look hard enough.
    Ah well....
    Anth

    Yes, Anth, there is a good point in there. It illustrates why anectdotal
    evidence is the weakest form of evidence. This should give you some insight
    into why real medicine wants objective proof as opposed to a bunch of whimsical
    endorsements.

  10. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: The Search For Truth
    From: karuna [email hidden]
    Date: 7/3/2003 3:31 AM Central Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Hey, wait a minute: JD doesn't have you killfiled does she??

    Yes, he is killfiled.

    Quoted message said:

    Please, someone tell her!!


    I've already seen it.

    Quoted message said:

    (He's giving $5 to "quackquack" every time you -j.d- accuse someone of
    lying etc!!!)

    Quoted message said:

    Does she know??

    I am sorry, you have fallen for this. It is nothing but entertainment and
    diversion for Rich.

    Jan

  11. --

    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: The Search For Truth
    From: karuna [email hidden]
    Date: 7/3/2003 3:31 AM Central Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Hey, wait a minute: JD doesn't have you killfiled does she??

    Yes, he is killfiled.

    Quoted message said:

    Please, someone tell her!!


    I've already seen it.

    Quoted message said:

    (He's giving $5 to "quackquack" every time you -j.d- accuse someone of
    lying etc!!!)

    Quoted message said:

    Does she know??

    I am sorry, you have fallen for this. It is nothing but entertainment and
    diversion for Rich.

    Jan

    Dr. Barrett says that producing his websites only costs about $800 each per
    year. You and I, with the others who have joined in, should be able to fund
    a substantial portion of that. That's an entertaining thought.

    ;o) Rich

    p.s.: I realize that because you have labeled me a "liar," you think that I
    am not telling the truth about these donations. I'm glad that Dr. Barrett
    and Peter know better.

  12. "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    If people lie when they believe they are telling the truth are they
    really telling lies?

    Actually, by definition someone who believes that he's telling the truth is
    not lying, regardless of whether or not his statements are actually true.
    "Lie" is not just a synonym for "false statement"; it means a *knowingly*
    false statement made with the intent to mislead another person. Someone
    who makes a false statement as a result of an honest mistake or
    misinformation is not telling a lie, even though he isn't telling the
    truth. In fact, many people would consider lying to include "material
    omissions": telling the truth, nothing but the truth, but not the *whole*
    truth, in cases where telling the whole truth would convey a completely
    different impression.

  13. In said:

    Actually, by definition someone who believes that he's telling the truth is
    not lying, regardless of whether or not his statements are actually true.
    "Lie" is not just a synonym for "false statement"; it means a knowingly
    false statement made with the intent to mislead another person. Someone
    who makes a false statement as a result of an honest mistake or
    misinformation is not telling a lie, even though he isn't telling the
    truth. In fact, many people would consider lying to include "material
    omissions": telling the truth, nothing but the truth, but not the whole
    truth, in cases where telling the whole truth would convey a completely
    different impression.

    The above is a blatant LIE, intended to PURPOSEFULLY
    distract and sidetract what you all KNOW to be the
    TRUE meaning of DEBUNKING^WLYING!!!!!

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