The revolution is here?

flyingdutch said:

snips out the rants of a madman 🙄

wow! that WAS a rant wasnt it?

just to add BV will contribute to the debate, but probably on a different level. Just dont expect them to take a leading role.

the more voices heard at all levels the better.
As with WheelsOfJustice, they may get briefed the night before, turn up, grab microphone and try to take public credit for it 🙄

flyingdutch said:

wow! that WAS a rant wasnt it?

just to add BV will contribute to the debate, but probably on a different level. Just dont expect them to take a leading role.

the more voices heard at all levels the better.
As with WheelsOfJustice, they may get briefed the night before, turn up, grab microphone and try to take public credit for it 🙄

I'm kind of amazed that it's not part of BV's standard operating procedures to monitor lists such as a.b., WoJ etc. I've found out so much more about cycling in Australia through this NG than anything BV's had to offer.
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Cheers
Euan

For me I love the freedom of being so unencumbered with my cycling.

But there has been so much talk about cycling, cyclists, safety & other road users I can see the day when my bicycle will need to be registered, riders will need to dismount more often, larger areas will specifically prohibit bicycles (east side of Princess bridge Melb for example) & other road users (motorists) will develop a greater ability to ‘strike back’ at what they may regard as irregular cycling.

In this user-pays society (even though we all fork out massive amounts in tax) cycling has been alittle ‘below the radar’.

EuanB said:

I'm kind of amazed that it's not part of BV's standard operating procedures to monitor lists such as a.b., WoJ etc. I've found out so much more about cycling in Australia through this NG than anything BV's had to offer.
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Cheers
Euan

next PUBbug meeting i wil lregail you with a hilarious story of how BV/Harry was doing the round sof govt dept's and BUGs explaining that the internet was a myriad of information worked like a....(harry searchs for word...)
"Web?" i suggest...
"Yes, that's the word. You dont have to create ALL the content yourself. you just link to what others have created..."

F"head-in-hands-tears in-eyes-groan"Dutch

flyingdutch said:

next PUBbug meeting i wil lregail you with a hilarious story of how
BV/Harry was doing the round sof govt dept's and BUGs explaining that
the internet was a myriad of information worked like a....(harry
searchs for word...)
"Web?" i suggest...
"Yes, that's the word. You dont have to create ALL the content
yourself. you just link to what others have created..."

F"head-in-hands-tears in-eyes-groan"Dutch

Hey, sounds like a member of parliament who was telling me a couple of
years ago that he had a friend who has e-mail and sent a message someone
in New York, and got a response within minutes. How amazing is that?

You have to wonder how the country is still functioning at all.

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Peter McCallum
Mackay Qld AUSTRALIA

flyingdutch said:

next PUBbug meeting i wil lregail you with a hilarious story of how
BV/Harry was doing the round sof govt dept's and BUGs explaining that
the internet was a myriad of information worked like a....(harry
searchs for word...)
"Web?" i suggest...
"Yes, that's the word. You dont have to create ALL the content
yourself. you just link to what others have created..."

F"head-in-hands-tears in-eyes-groan"Dutch

Hey, sounds like a member of parliament who was telling me a couple of
years ago that he had a friend who has e-mail and sent a message someone
in New York, and got a response within minutes. How amazing is that?

You have to wonder how the country is still functioning at all.

--
Peter McCallum
Mackay Qld AUSTRALIA

flyingdutch said:

next PUBbug meeting i wil lregail you with a hilarious story of how BV/Harry was doing the round sof govt dept's and BUGs explaining that the internet was a myriad of information worked like a....(harry searchs for word...)
"Web?" i suggest...
"Yes, that's the word. You dont have to create ALL the content yourself. you just link to what others have created..."

F"head-in-hands-tears in-eyes-groan"Dutch

Regardless of PubBug I'm going this Friday. Bringing a beer drinking cycling colleague with me :-)

He would have been there last Friday but had prior female engagements he couldn't get out of. Poor bugger.
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Cheers
Euan

EuanB said:

Regardless of PubBug I'm going this Friday. Bringing a beer drinking cycling colleague with me :-)

He would have been there last Friday but had prior female engagements he couldn't get out of. Poor bugger.
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Cheers
Euan

hey, after many drinks i might even make a move on you. you foxy bugger 😄

F"better start saving for stout-fund now"Dutch

flyingdutch said:

hey, after many drinks i might even make a move on you. you foxy bugger 😄

F"better start saving for stout-fund now"Dutch

Sounds like I may have to chaperone Bikesoiler. We need more women at PubBUG! C'mon ladies, if you're in Melbourne, help me out here! 😄

cfsmtb said:

Sounds like I may have to chaperone Bikesoiler. We need more women at PubBUG! C'mon ladies, if you're in Melbourne, help me out here! 😄

🙂 I can make this Friday... Are you all readily recognisable? Do I need to wear a pink carnation in my helmet?

ali

alison_b said:

🙂 I can make this Friday... Are you all readily recognisable? Do I need to wear a pink carnation in my helmet?

ali

Naah! The best way to find WoJ/PubBUG is to look at the shoes. Me? 155cm + beanie + stout in hand sitting a group of blokes wearing bike shoes.

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alison_b said:

🙂 I can make this Friday... Are you all readily recognisable? Do I need to wear a pink carnation in my helmet?

ali

well, last week i would have said no "We'll be the ones on bikes!"
but MBTC rocked up with about 15-20 people on bikes too.

We shall be the ones drinking beer/stout. oh hangon its a brewery :p

Um, we will be the smashingly good-looking ones
(or should that the mashed-looking ones getting smashed)

F"where is my smoking jacket, what!"Dutch

cfsmtb said:

Naah! The best way to find WoJ/PubBUG is to look at the shoes. Me? 155cm + beanie + stout in hand sitting a group of blokes wearing bike shoes.

*Free Bonus Offer - Join Now*

For Politix:
sports.groups.yahoo.comwheelsofjusticeOpen ↗

For Idle Chatter & Beer:
groups.yahoo.compub bugOpen ↗

*Makes a note to just follow the shoes* Thanks 🙂

ali

Bean Long said:

From the volume of recent postings on the topics of cyclist safety and road
issues, it seems to me there is a revolution coming.

From the tendency of car ads to become nastier and more aggressive
lately, I'd say exactly the opposite "revolution" is brewing.

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Bean Long said:

From the volume of recent postings on the topics of cyclist safety and road
issues, it seems to me there is a revolution coming. In the main, this
revolution is beginning to bite in Vic where I know that there is a lot of
bicycle support. Bike Vic, for example, I once read is THE largest club in
the country (??). It seems like a grass roots push to give cyclists a go
and get more people on bikes. You might think this sounds a bit odd as
much of the debate has arisen from a media swipe at cyclists, but the
backlash is huge (on this group at least), hence the sense of revolution. I
want to know what groups like Bike Vic are doing to take advantage of the
recent publicity over cycling... is there a decisive push going on at the
battle front???

What you're seeing is partially reactions from a few non-related random
incidents in reasonably quick succession, and partially the logical
consequences of more and more people using the same infrastructure for
different purposes with different equipment. Everyone's carrying on
about road rage etc as if it was somehow a new phenomenon. It's not.
The only thing that's changed is that there's now more people using our
roads, so there's more ragey incidents. This is simply because of more
people, thus, more incidents.

Then, add in mobile phone use (the 2000's equivalent of the 1970's
drink drivers) and we're back where we were in the '70s, but there's
more cars, more bikes, more dogs, more lights ....

Maybe there's close to a real critical mass(*) issue on some of our
roads? Beach Rd on a sunny Saturday could be just about there, maybe?
10,000
riders is a lot, if that's a real number and not a guestimate.

(*) I don't mean the Friday night anarchists collective on wheels.

On 2005-08-08, flyingdutch (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

alison_b said:

🙂 I can make this Friday... Are you all readily recognisable? Do I
need to wear a pink carnation in my helmet?

ali

well, last week i would have said no "We'll be the ones on bikes!"
but MBTC rocked up with about 15-20 people on bikes too.

Well, six or seven 🙂

And I think some of them were there for the justice talk thingy, which
never happended. 🙁

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TimC
I was going to compile a list of innovations that could be
attributed to Microsoft. Once I realized that Ctrl-Alt-Del
was handled in the BIOS, I found that there aren't any. --unknown

TimC said:

Well, six or seven 🙂

And I think some of them were there for the justice talk thingy, which
never happended. 🙁

Well the WoJ thing was what got me off my butt to go. To be honest I think it's better things panned out the way they did. We're seeing a lot of good positive ideas getting thrashed out on a.b, WoJ and CM-Melb. I think that we should carry on developing these ideas in these forums and then publish an agenda for a meeting with a real purpose.

I've found that the best meetings are those which are run by a facilitator; that's someone who doesn't contribute to the discussion as such but referees it. I know it sounds horribly structured but I think there's merit in that.

Comment?
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Cheers
Euan

EuanB said:

Well the WoJ thing was what got me off my butt to go. To be honest I think it's better things panned out the way they did. We're seeing a lot of good positive ideas getting thrashed out on a.b, WoJ and CM-Melb. I think that we should carry on developing these ideas in these forums and then publish an agenda for a meeting with a real purpose.

I've found that the best meetings are those which are run by a facilitator; that's someone who doesn't contribute to the discussion as such but referees it. I know it sounds horribly structured but I think there's merit in that.

Comment?

Ok, you wanna facilitator & a agenda? No probs, be there @Goat this Friday & get ready to talk. Constructively. 🙂

Have you booked the committee room?

cfsmtb said:

EuanB said:

Well the WoJ thing was what got me off my butt to go. To be honest I
think it's better things panned out the way they did. We're seeing a
lot of good positive ideas getting thrashed out on a.b, WoJ and
CM-Melb. I think that we should carry on developing these ideas in
these forums and then publish an agenda for a meeting with a real
purpose.

I've found that the best meetings are those which are run by a
facilitator; that's someone who doesn't contribute to the discussion as
such but referees it. I know it sounds horribly structured but I think
there's merit in that.

Comment?

Ok, you wanna facilitator & a agenda? No probs, be there @Goat this
Friday & get ready to talk. Constructively. 🙂