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  1. Original post
    B. Lafferty
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    Suddenly, a great year. Now we know why. From CyclingNews:

    Rebellin and 19 others on trial
    Gerolsteiner's Davide Rebellin has, along with 19 others, been put on trial
    in the Italian town of Este, Padova, accused of receiving prohibited
    pharmaceutical substances, and violating the Italian anti-doping and
    sporting fraud laws. The trial commenced on Wednesday morning, November 10,
    and most of the accused are cyclists: Dario Acquaroli, Filippo Baldo, Ramon
    Bianchi, Mauro Busato, Matteo Cacco, Davide Casarotto, Nadia Dandolo
    (athletics), Gianni Faresin, Andrea Ferrigato, Marco Fincato, Martin
    Hvastija, Petr Klasa, Fabio Marchesin, Mirco Marini, Selina Martinello
    (Rebellin's wife), Uros Murn, Gorazd Stangelj, Marco Villa and Matteo
    Zendron.

    The trial was initiated on the basis of phone tapping and video surveillance
    on the riders in question. During May, 2001, Rebellin was allegedly filmed
    receiving a syringe containing a banned substance, while at the end of the
    month, he was allegedly videoed injecting himself with EPO in his hotel room
    in Bassano del Grappa. Rebellin has always maintained his innocence.

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  2. Ewoud Dronkert
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    B. Lafferty said:

    Suddenly, a great year.

    I don't think so. He has been a solid podium pick for years. Frigo used to
    win more but he got busted a few times. Maybe it's Rebellin's time now (for
    winning, or for getting busted).

    E.
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  3. B. Lafferty
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    "Ewoud Dronkert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    B. Lafferty said:

    Suddenly, a great year.

    I don't think so. He has been a solid podium pick for years. Frigo used to
    win more but he got busted a few times. Maybe it's Rebellin's time now
    (for
    winning, or for getting busted).

    Playing Devil's Advocate, he hasn't won much for years. Perhaps he finally
    got the drug mix correct for 2004.

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  4. B. Lafferty
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    "Ewoud Dronkert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    B. Lafferty said:

    Suddenly, a great year.

    I don't think so. He has been a solid podium pick for years. Frigo used to
    win more but he got busted a few times. Maybe it's Rebellin's time now
    (for
    winning, or for getting busted).

    Playing Devil's Advocate, he hasn't won much for years. Perhaps he finally
    got the drug mix correct for 2004.

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  5. Jonathan v.d. Sluis
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    "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Suddenly, a great year. Now we know why. From CyclingNews:


    ....

    Quoted message said:

    The trial was initiated on the basis of phone tapping and video


    surveillance

    Quoted message said:

    on the riders in question. During May, 2001, Rebellin was allegedly filmed
    receiving a syringe containing a banned substance, while at the end of the
    month, he was allegedly videoed injecting himself with EPO in his hotel


    room

    Quoted message said:

    in Bassano del Grappa.

    That stuff sure lasts long then.

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  6. Robert Chung
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    B. Lafferty said:

    Suddenly, a great year. Now we know why. From CyclingNews:


    [snip]

    Quoted message said:


    The trial was initiated on the basis of phone tapping and video
    surveillance on the riders in question. During May, 2001, Rebellin was
    allegedly filmed receiving a syringe containing a banned substance,
    while at the end of the month, he was allegedly videoed injecting
    himself with EPO in his hotel room in Bassano del Grappa. Rebellin has
    always maintained his innocence.

    Year, UCIRank, UCIPoints
    1995, 32, 455
    1996, 12, 1219
    1997, 16, 928
    1998, 8, 1432
    1999, 5, 1590
    2000, 7, 1612
    2001, 3, 1977
    2002, 9, 1467
    2003, 5, 1656
    2004, 6, 1883

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  7. Warren
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    Quoted message said:
    B. Lafferty said:

    Suddenly, a great year. Now we know why. From CyclingNews:


    [snip]

    Quoted message said:


    The trial was initiated on the basis of phone tapping and video
    surveillance on the riders in question. During May, 2001, Rebellin was
    allegedly filmed receiving a syringe containing a banned substance,
    while at the end of the month, he was allegedly videoed injecting
    himself with EPO in his hotel room in Bassano del Grappa. Rebellin has
    always maintained his innocence.

    How can you tell from a video what is in a syringe? It could be vitamins.

    -WG

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  8. Badger South
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    Warren said:
    Quoted message said:
    B. Lafferty said:

    Suddenly, a great year. Now we know why. From CyclingNews:


    [snip]

    Quoted message said:


    The trial was initiated on the basis of phone tapping and video
    surveillance on the riders in question. During May, 2001, Rebellin was
    allegedly filmed receiving a syringe containing a banned substance,
    while at the end of the month, he was allegedly videoed injecting
    himself with EPO in his hotel room in Bassano del Grappa. Rebellin has
    always maintained his innocence.

    How can you tell from a video what is in a syringe? It could be vitamins.

    -WG

    Method of administration?

    Most EPO preparations are administered by IV, but there is a subcutaneous
    type.

    Here's more than you probably wanted to know (.pdf format)

    http://www.procrit.com/common/prescribing_information/PROCRIT/PDF/ProcritBooklet.pdf

    -B

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  9. Warren
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    "Badger South" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Warren said:
    Quoted message said:

    B. Lafferty wrote:
    > Suddenly, a great year. Now we know why. From CyclingNews:
    [snip]
    >
    > The trial was initiated on the basis of phone tapping and video
    > surveillance on the riders in question. During May, 2001, Rebellin


    was

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > allegedly filmed receiving a syringe containing a banned substance,
    > while at the end of the month, he was allegedly videoed injecting
    > himself with EPO in his hotel room in Bassano del Grappa. Rebellin


    has

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > always maintained his innocence.

    How can you tell from a video what is in a syringe? It could be vitamins.

    -WG

    Method of administration?

    Most EPO preparations are administered by IV, but there is a subcutaneous
    type.

    Again, so what? Saline is frequently given to bike racers by IV. This helps
    with more rapid rehydration.

    -WG

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  10. Badger South
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    Warren said:
    Quoted message said:

    Method of administration?

    Most EPO preparations are administered by IV, but there is a subcutaneous
    type.

    Again, so what? Saline is frequently given to bike racers by IV. This helps
    with more rapid rehydration.

    -WG

    Don't misunderstand my comment to mean I'm in favor of this 'blame shift'
    paradigm, nor that I think you can tell by scanning through a spotting
    scope hidden in a room across the street! I totally agree, it's a big 'so
    what'. Surely the guys wouldn't be dumb enough to do it in front of an open
    window, or to have syringes labeled 'Procrit/EPOgen'? No of course not.
    They should demand a photograph, notarized to prove it wasn't photoshopped.

    Sadly, if we didn't know before, we now know that phone tapping and private
    eye surveillance is considered fair game.

    Would be hilarious if they did a reverse sting, though. You know WADA
    official caught in bed with "Mango"... ;-)

    -B
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  11. Warren
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    "Badger South" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Would be hilarious if they did a reverse sting, though. You know WADA
    official caught in bed with "Mango"... ;-)

    "But, but, but, there are no drugs here! Only Mango!
    Mango want to dance the [censored] Pound dance!"

    -Wg

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  12. Stewart Fleming
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    Badger South said:

    Method of administration?
    Most EPO preparations are administered by IV, but there is a subcutaneous
    type.

    Eddy Mazzoleni is the expert in the peloton on subcutaneous
    administration, allegedly. His sister is the one that gets the
    testoterone injections.

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  13. gym gravity
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    Warren said:

    "Badger South" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Would be hilarious if they did a reverse sting, though. You know WADA
    official caught in bed with "Mango"... ;-)

    "But, but, but, there are no drugs here! Only Mango!
    Mango want to dance the [censored] Pound dance!"

    -Wg


    Nina Blackburn : They say it's the quiet ones that you have to watch out
    for.
    Tasty Taste : And if you've noticed I ain't said [censored] for a couple
    minutes now.

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  14. Ewoud Dronkert
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    Stewart Fleming said:

    Eddy Mazzoleni is the expert in the peloton on subcutaneous
    administration, allegedly. His sister is the one that gets the
    testoterone injections.

    I think you mean his girlfriend, Basso's sister.

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  15. Stewart Fleming
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    Ewoud Dronkert said:
    Stewart Fleming said:

    Eddy Mazzoleni is the expert in the peloton on subcutaneous
    administration, allegedly. His sister is the one that gets the
    testoterone injections.

    I think you mean his girlfriend, Basso's sister.

    Her too. Doesn't mean that Eddy's sister isn't getting any.

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  16. Kurgan Gringioni
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    #16
    Robert Chung said:
    B. Lafferty said:

    Suddenly, a great year. Now we know why. From CyclingNews:


    [snip]

    Quoted message said:


    The trial was initiated on the basis of phone tapping and video
    surveillance on the riders in question. During May, 2001, Rebellin


    was

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    allegedly filmed receiving a syringe containing a banned substance,
    while at the end of the month, he was allegedly videoed injecting
    himself with EPO in his hotel room in Bassano del Grappa. Rebellin


    has

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    always maintained his innocence.

    Year, UCIRank, UCIPoints
    1995, 32, 455
    1996, 12, 1219
    1997, 16, 928
    1998, 8, 1432
    1999, 5, 1590
    2000, 7, 1612
    2001, 3, 1977
    2002, 9, 1467
    2003, 5, 1656
    2004, 6, 1883

    Dumbass -

    You should know better than to imagine that facts will be useful in
    discussions with either T. Kunich or B. Lafferty.

    K. Gringioni.

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  17. patch70
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    #17
    Badger South said:

    Method of administration?

    Most EPO preparations are administered by IV, but there is a subcutaneous
    type.


    Mostly dopers will give it subcut. Renal failure patients on haemodialysis give it IV as they already have IV access during their dialysis. Ditto for chemotherapy patients who are likely to have a long term IV access device.

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  18. Ewoud Dronkert
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    #18
    Kurgan Gringioni said:
    Robert Chung said:

    Year, UCIRank, UCIPoints
    1995, 32, 455
    1996, 12, 1219
    1997, 16, 928
    1998, 8, 1432
    1999, 5, 1590
    2000, 7, 1612
    2001, 3, 1977
    2002, 9, 1467
    2003, 5, 1656
    2004, 6, 1883

    You should know better than to imagine that facts will be useful in
    discussions with either T. Kunich or B. Lafferty.

    However, as usual it may have been that the point to his post wasn't
    simple or singular. Rebellin's results do show some consistency from
    1998 onwards, but the 2001 result still stands out. The trial now (re-?)
    opened concerns 2001 events.

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  19. B. Lafferty
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    "Ewoud Dronkert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Kurgan Gringioni said:
    Robert Chung said:

    Year, UCIRank, UCIPoints
    1995, 32, 455
    1996, 12, 1219
    1997, 16, 928
    1998, 8, 1432
    1999, 5, 1590
    2000, 7, 1612
    2001, 3, 1977
    2002, 9, 1467
    2003, 5, 1656
    2004, 6, 1883

    You should know better than to imagine that facts will be useful in
    discussions with either T. Kunich or B. Lafferty.

    However, as usual it may have been that the point to his post wasn't
    simple or singular. Rebellin's results do show some consistency from
    1998 onwards, but the 2001 result still stands out. The trial now (re-?)
    opened concerns 2001 events.

    But then he had that "intestinal parasite" for two years that he just now
    got over. The question begs, what effect would some of the peloton's
    favorite drugs (EPO, thg) have on parasites? I have a vision of the tape
    worm or amoeba that destroys Milano.

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  20. B. Lafferty
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    "Ewoud Dronkert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Kurgan Gringioni said:
    Robert Chung said:

    Year, UCIRank, UCIPoints
    1995, 32, 455
    1996, 12, 1219
    1997, 16, 928
    1998, 8, 1432
    1999, 5, 1590
    2000, 7, 1612
    2001, 3, 1977
    2002, 9, 1467
    2003, 5, 1656
    2004, 6, 1883

    You should know better than to imagine that facts will be useful in
    discussions with either T. Kunich or B. Lafferty.

    However, as usual it may have been that the point to his post wasn't
    simple or singular. Rebellin's results do show some consistency from
    1998 onwards, but the 2001 result still stands out. The trial now (re-?)
    opened concerns 2001 events.

    But then he had that "intestinal parasite" for two years that he just now
    got over. The question begs, what effect would some of the peloton's
    favorite drugs (EPO, thg) have on parasites? I have a vision of the tape
    worm or amoeba that destroys Milano.

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