The Reason For Methadone

"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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IIRC, the Pot Belge contains heroin. Now all becomes
clear. They should let Brandt ride.

So you assume the presence of Methadone indicates
addiction? Dude, don't learn about important thing through
the grape vine.

They should let hi ride, but I have said all along that the
list of drugs is far too long. Methadone and other pain meds
should be allowed with a medical certificate. The UCI should
have a jury or panel of MDs to decide if a certificate is
legit when the application is made. There should also be an
appeals process if they deny the certificate.

One of the reasons that the doping rules are not respected
is that they are far far too stringent. There are a
handful of drugs I bought OTC last month that are all
banned not to mention half the drugs I get via
prescription. This is absurd.

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"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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IIRC, the Pot Belge contains heroin. Now all becomes
clear. They

should

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let Brandt ride.

So you assume the presence of Methadone indicates
addiction? Dude, don't learn about important thing through
the grape vine.

They should let hi ride, but I have said all along that
the list of drugs

is

Quoted message said:

far too long. Methadone and other pain meds should be
allowed with a

medical

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certificate. The UCI should have a jury or panel of MDs to
decide if a certificate is legit when the application is
made. There should also be an appeals process if they deny
the certificate.

One of the reasons that the doping rules are not respected
is that they

are

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far far too stringent. There are a handful of drugs I
bought OTC last

month

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that are all banned not to mention half the drugs I get
via prescription. This is absurd.

Dude, don't be humor impaired.

Chris said:

One of the reasons that the doping rules are not respected
is that they are far far too stringent. There are a
handful of drugs I bought OTC last month that are all
banned not to mention half the drugs I get via
prescription. This is absurd.

So you will soon be banned I gather. During the last month,
not to mention couple of decades, I haven't bought any drugs
and I haven't had a banned drug prescribed to me since I was
in surgery 30 years ago.

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Perre

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Methadone only legal use now to relieve the effects of
heroin addiction. It is not in any other medication.

Sounds like you support doping in bicycling?

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"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

IIRC, the Pot Belge contains heroin. Now all becomes
clear. They

should

Quoted message said:

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let Brandt ride.

So you assume the presence of Methadone indicates
addiction? Dude, don't learn about important thing through
the grape vine.

They should let hi ride, but I have said all along that
the list of drugs

is

Quoted message said:

far too long. Methadone and other pain meds should be
allowed with a

medical

Quoted message said:

certificate. The UCI should have a jury or panel of MDs to
decide if a certificate is legit when the application is
made. There should also be an appeals process if they deny
the certificate.

One of the reasons that the doping rules are not respected
is that they

are

Quoted message said:

far far too stringent. There are a handful of drugs I
bought OTC last

month

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that are all banned not to mention half the drugs I get
via prescription. This is absurd.

Happy puppy said:

Methadone only legal use now to relieve the effects of
heroin addiction. It is not in any other medication.

This does not appear to be true. From the PDR:
Indications and usage: "Methadone Hydrochloride is
indicated fot relief of severe pain, for
detoxification treatment of narcotic addiction, and
for temporary maintenance treatment of narcotic
addiction."

Steve

Happy puppy said:

Methadone only legal use now to relieve the effects of
heroin addiction. It is not in any other medication.

Sounds like you support doping in bicycling?

It is an ingredient in a couple of medecines, one of them
being a cough medecine.

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Methadone only legal use now to relieve the effects of
heroin addiction. It is not in any other medication.

Wrong. Methadone is a long acting narcotic that can be given
orally with dependable absorbtion. It is used to substitute
for heroin in treatment of heroin additction but is is alos
used in treatment of chronic painful conditions.

Mike Murray MD

Per Elmsäter said:

Chris said:

One of the reasons that the doping rules are not respected
is that they are far far too stringent. There are a
handful of drugs I bought OTC last month that are all
banned not to mention half the drugs I get via
prescription. This is absurd.

So you will soon be banned I gather.

Hey, cut him some slack, he probably needs them to cope with
half the posts on rbr.

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During the last month, not to mention couple of decades, I
haven't bought any drugs and I haven't had a banned drug
prescribed to me since I was in surgery 30 years ago.

I avoid taking drugs as much as possible. I was on some [censored]
called Isoniazid (sp?) for 9 months because a TB test gave
me a pink spot on my arm, I kept cycling during the period,
but it was super tough. Like most prescriptions to target
some bug it's a toxin, which is primarily targeted at the
bug, but also may harm other parts of the body, like the
liver, which meant taking B6 along with it.

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Methadone only legal use now to relieve the effects of
heroin addiction. It is not in any other medication.

Wrong. Methadone is a long acting narcotic that can be
given orally with dependable absorbtion. It is used to
substitute for heroin in treatment

of

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heroin additction but is is alos used in treatment of
chronic painful conditions.

It is safer than morphine if memory serves and although it
is addictive itself it takes a great deal more of it to
produce addiction.

B. Lafferty said:

IIRC, the Pot Belge contains heroin. Now all becomes
clear. They should let Brandt ride.

Substituing methadone as a heroin substitute makes it Pot
Belge Lite (TM).

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B. Lafferty said:

IIRC, the Pot Belge contains heroin. Now all becomes
clear. They

should

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let Brandt ride.

Substituing methadone as a heroin substitute makes it Pot
Belge Lite (TM).

Good retort!!

That is what he said, and it is not used elsewhere.

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Happy puppy said:

Methadone only legal use now to relieve the effects of
heroin addiction. It is not in any other medication.

This does not appear to be true. From the PDR: Indications
and usage: "Methadone Hydrochloride is indicated fot
relief of severe pain, for detoxification treatment of
narcotic addiction, and for temporary maintenance
treatment of narcotic addiction."

Steve

It was in cough medecine in before 1970, but taken out, and
a less addictive nartocic is used, codine.

It is used only for Heroin addiction now, because Methadone
is so addictive itself.

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Happy puppy said:

Methadone only legal use now to relieve the effects of
heroin addiction. It is not in any other medication.

Sounds like you support doping in bicycling?

It is an ingredient in a couple of medecines, one of them
being a cough medecine.

Methadone is used only as a "substitute for heroin in
treatment of

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heroin addiction but is also used in treatment of chronic
painful conditions."

It is not used in any other meds anymore, too addictive, Gov
changed this long ago. Even hospitals don't use or carry it,
nor pharmacies.

Your boy got it from a addiction clinic somewhere,
through someone.

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"Happy puppy" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Methadone only legal use now to relieve the effects of
heroin addiction. It is not in any other medication.

Wrong. Methadone is a long acting narcotic that can be
given orally with dependable absorbtion. It is used to
substitute for heroin in treatment

of

Quoted message said:

heroin additction but is is alos used in treatment of
chronic painful conditions.

Mike Murray MD

Anitya Arahat said:

That is what he said, and it is not used elsewhere.

No, he said it was only legal to "relieve the
effects of heroin addiction." My point is that it is
also used (apparently legally) as an analgesic.

Steve

Anitya Arahat said:

Methadone is used only as a "substitute for heroin in
treatment of

Quoted message said:

heroin addiction but is also used in treatment of chronic
painful conditions."

It is not used in any other meds anymore, too addictive,
Gov changed this long ago. Even hospitals don't use or
carry it, nor pharmacies.

What "gov" is that? In the U.S., it is a schedule II
narcotic, which is legal to prescribe as an
analgesic. Those not legal except in approved
investigational work are schedule I.

Steve

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Your boy got it from a addiction clinic somewhere, through
someone.

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"Happy puppy" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

Methadone only legal use now to relieve the effects of
heroin addiction. It is not in any other medication.

Wrong. Methadone is a long acting narcotic that can be
given orally with dependable absorbtion. It is used to
substitute for heroin in treatment

of

Quoted message said:

heroin additction but is is alos used in treatment of
chronic painful conditions.

Mike Murray MD

Anitya Arahat said:

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Happy puppy said:

Methadone only legal use now to relieve the effects of
heroin addiction. It is not in any other medication.

Sounds like you support doping in bicycling?

It is an ingredient in a couple of medecines, one of them
being a cough medecine.

It was in cough medecine in before 1970, but taken out,
and a less addictive nartocic is used, codine.

It is used only for Heroin addiction now, because
Methadone is so addictive itself.

What govt are you talking about? According to the news on
French TV last night, it is used in 3 medicines, one of them
being cough syrup. Maybe they're just repeating his story,
but that's why I wrote what I did.

Richard Adams said:

Per Elmsäter said:

Chris said:

One of the reasons that the doping rules are not
respected is that they are far far too stringent. There
are a handful of drugs I bought OTC last month that are
all banned not to mention half the drugs I get via
prescription. This is absurd.

So you will soon be banned I gather.

Hey, cut him some slack, he probably needs them to cope
with half the posts on rbr.

Isn't rbr the banning instance. I doubt UCI gives a ****,
since he probably never been on a bike 😉)

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Perre

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Methadone is used only as a "substitute for heroin in
treatment of

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heroin addiction but is also used in treatment of
chronic painful conditions."

It is not used in any other meds anymore, too addictive,
Gov changed this long ago. Even hospitals don't use or
carry it, nor pharmacies.

Your boy got it from a addiction clinic somewhere, through
someone.

Firstly, methadone is easily available because it is a
very effective severe pain medication. Addiction is
something of a problem with it but the addiction isn't
like addiction to opiates. For instance, opiate addiction
leads the victim to lay around doing nothing and counting
the seconds until their next fix. Methadone PILL addicts
don't show these sorts of symptoms and act otherwise
normal until it gets close to their next pill which is on
the order of 8-10 hours.

Secondly, if you have ever had some severe pain caused by
anything you'd know just how few good pain medications there
are. Methadone is a strong replacement for opiates such as
morphine because it acts so much longer and because small
overdoses, which self administration will inevitably cause,
don't lead to the "high" that morphine causes.

Thirdly, since testing laboratories have methadone around
them all the time as part of their testing, there is a
chance that that false positives (possibly such as Brandt's
positive) could occur due to contamination from other
samples when the equipment isn't cleaned well enough.
Methadone is easily detectable in minute quantities.