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  1. This would mean free bicycles for all, but likely put a stop to insanely large personal collections:

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    Consider a world in which the air is clean, the water pure, and the landscape unmolested but replete with verdurous splendour. A world, bereft of the virulence of the malevolent gods, home to an enlightened people united in compassion and existing in cooperation; a global palace of abundance, of universal satiety and unfettered happiness. Such a paradise could only be possible in the absence of money. And the abolition of money could only be made possible in the absence of the toxic few that currently reside aloft the pyramidal power structure.

    They are the puissant elite, the nefarious puppeteers of humanity. Money forms the strings they pull. Money is perhaps their greatest tool of manipulation; It is one of the most efficient and potent means of mass coercion and is a blight unto this earth.

    A money-less society would be a society free from greed, corruption, complacency, and slavery. It would be a societal paradigm in which the life of no individual is wasted in monotony and no individual is irresistibly compelled into undertaking any immoral or anti-natural activity. The individual would embrace that which they love and be emancipated from the bondage and drudgery of commercialism and the immutable quest for pecuniary gain. With the eradication of the artificial paradigm of money would end the oppressive and aberrant plague of aeons.

    It is testament to the stupidity of mankind, his manipulation, and his inexorable slavish penchant that money has been permitted for so long. Instead of maintaining an Eden, he has raped and pillaged the fruits of Mother Earth in money’s name thus creating destruction, infecundity and desolation. This world could be a paradise but instead it is a sewer; a cesspit where the paragon masters of toxicity reign supreme over their well-trained hordes of mephitic automatons.

    Money is a greed catalyst and brutality amplifier. In the minds of men where thoughts of money would be absent morality, instead, would occupy the fore. The person who lusts for money is adversary to the person who lusts for harmony.

    The actions of those held sway by their acquisitive desire for money are often vile and rarely compassionate. Money promotes egoism and is a strong encourager of the lust of one man to overtake his fellow man in power and control. Could anything be viler than that anomalous ambition of man to hold his compeers in conceited servitude? The desire for money is the desire for the capacity to dominate and sway others at will. Following an apocalypse, the rich man, being the only survivor, once he has emerged from his slave-built bunker, would find his pecuniary wealth to no longer hold value and thus would be forced to enter into the real world; the real world in which nature, alone, dictates where value is held, not the damaged and bastardised minds of the selfish and indolent. Money only has a perceived value and represents an artificial paradigm. Furthermore, the system of money is a brutal and hegemonic system which permits no other under threat of violence and death. The person wishing to live divorced from money must usually first be forced to use money as a means of exit, and such an exit would unlikely be absolute but certainly extremely limited.

    Who would do the work, in the money-less model? Absolute money abolition could only occur in a reformed society in which intelligence and compassion have regained their rightful position. The enlightened, compassionate, and truly aware seek very little. The most moral would voluntarily end their lives through love for the worldly creatures around them, absent the opportunity to ameliorate the ways of their inordinate harm-doing contemporaries. Second to this group are those who live ascetically and desire only that which is truly needed. It is the damaged person who dedicates his life to the acquiring of material goods and who complacently becomes dependent upon the service of others.

    The money-less world in which the inhabitants happily opt for the technology of their minds over extraneous ersatz technologies, would have no need for the vast and impolitic number of current activities – the junk jobs; the level of required work would be drastically diminished. Those remaining indispensible tasks would be gladly undertaken by volunteers; volunteers motivated by true community service and by love for their particular cherished area of expertise. Those tedious and dreary duties that remain, and for which no permanent volunteers are forthcoming, would be divided equally into either a rotary or similar system. No individual would be required to work excessively in any area, particularly one that brings little joy and threatens to quickly abase the spirit -there would be made no room in the money-less world for such soul abuse. Individual life experience would be maximised; the average society member would possess a broad knowledge and many capabilities. Empathy would certainly not be an unwonted quality. The problem of unemployment would not factor in the money-less world.

    A man, while immured in a money-based system, can never be free. Money forces him to depend upon his fellow man; not solely for exigent assistance following some life-endangering calamity, such as a failed crop, but on a regular and usual basis and for most vital things. The money-less society, fundamentally, would not be interdependent thus it would not be vulnerable, complacent, or enslaved. In terms of clothing, food, water, and energy, the post-money man would be independent producing enough for himself as well as for others, were they ever to come forth after finding themselves with an acute need. No longer would the few be able to lay claim to the bulk of the land. That most important resource would be divided equally; equally, not necessarily by number, but by requirement. The post-money society would be a merit based world in which the worthiness of proposed use and authenticity of need dictate wealth distribution.

    Once the toxic filth of the power elite has been deposed, the renewed system of cooperation, in place of competition and exploitation, will emerge. Knowledge previously suppressed will become known and benevolently utilised. Human labour would be further reduced by implementing this knowledge and by the construction of efficient machines; machines designed, not for a fixed longevity dictated by such money-based economies as replacement component sales and outlay minimising, but to last as long as they are ever likely to be required, and with a generous safety margin. Only sustainable and ethical endeavours will be undertaken, including in such areas as housing, transport, and food production. The latter will initially consist of the growing of heirloom plants organically and with diversity. Eventually, once the ecosystems have regenerated and the world has recovered from the aeons of abuse at the rapacious and desolating hand of mankind, food will grow wild. When we wish to eat we would reach out to the nearest vegetation of choice, pick the fruit, vegetable, nut, or seed, and partake of it then and there in its raw and unadulterated state, as nature signals us to. Our food would grow unaided and in abundance.

    Once liberated from their commercial posts, posts abrogated by the dissolution of commerce, the worlds enablers, the great minds, scientific, academic, and intellectual elite would be available to concentrate their abilities for the collective good, for worthy pursuits, and in a truly benevolent cause. Unfettered by commerce, its secrecy, bureaucracy and paranoia, these minds would be free to implement the zenith of their collective learning and to formulate such achievements as to propel human capabilities further than the average contemporary money-user could possibly imagine. For example: Once the thinkers currently employed within the immensity of the military industrial complex -a complex to be terminated along with the filth of its originators -are separated from their iniquitous responsibilities as enablers of tyrants and facilitators of murder and misery, their talents would be redirected and put to use in beneficent, worthy, and harmonious ways. The outcome would be truly magnificent.

    No longer would the earth be devastated and systematically raped by the annihilative practices of mechanised farming, intensive farming, and chemical-based farming. Certainly no animal, fish, insect, or bird, would ever again suffer the ignominious brutality of the flagitious and repugnant trades in their flesh and other derivatives; the intelligent, compassionate, and enlightened society would not permit such barbarism and never exploit any sentient creature. The post-money society is a humane society devoid of such odiousness as speciesism – the racism of species; the commodification and exploitation of sentient creatures would be recognized for the abhorrence that it is. The glaring parallels it shares with the more recognised iniquities as the slave trade, paedophilic rape, and Nazism would be understood and no longer rationalised away.

    Money makes miserable the lives of, not solely those averse to it and unable to successfully abide by its fascistic decrees, but for a considerable portion of those who succeed in enthusiastic subjugation to its code, and who, with high frequency, rejoice in the acquiring of it.

    Money obsession is pandemic; its rifeness suppresses the soul and blinds the heart. That which should be cannot in its stygian shadow. Money is the key which locks tight the portal of righteousness but frees the way for injustice. Impurity is requisite in those held sway by money; money and defilement are indissociable.

    The principal reason why money has not thus far been eradicated and replaced by pure cooperation is due to the blinkered collective mind of the masses, their lack of imagination, incapacity to comprehend, myopia, and obstinate misguided beliefs. Unrest will forever be an inevitable consequence of the money system. While mankind remains spiritually suppressed, impervious to reason, and blind to logic, edification will forever be afar and amelioration of this realm unobtainable.

    Without the proletariat, and others, the money-rich, the pseudo-gods amongst men, have nothing. A society without money is an equal society in which every member is wealthy instead of just the few. In the absence of an insular, parasitical class of the rich the jealousy and enviousness of the poor would be deracinated. The extirpation of money would bring enfranchisement from the bulk of anxieties and disquietude. Commensurateness would prevail and with it harmonious coexistence. Any obsolete remnant of the past phenomenon of the millionaire and billionaire, that continues to maintain overwhelming desire for excessiveness, would have his psychological malady rectified. He would be deprogrammed using any of various compassionate means; many technologies and techniques exist that are suitable and effective in such an application. Currently they are used in malefic ways to coerce entire populations but, in the right hands, these tools can be used for good. However, first the ethic of free will would need resolving as any such means to an end may ultimately prove counterproductive.

    Absent any genuine indicator of imprudence, the same means of benevolent manipulation, be it radiological, chemical, biological, technological, hypnotic, psychological, or etcetera, may be employed in mass conditioning. Such methods could well be utilised to counteract the unnatural and injurious programme that currently holds dominion over the unthinking multitudes. Benevolence and compassion would, in effect, be forcibly instilled. However, it stands to high reason that merely removing the aberrant and wretched instructions of the past would permit the natural reinstatement of man’s default condition, a condition founded in beneficence and charity. Once the mind is unchained, freedom can be truly understood. Once a man’s thoughts are his own, he will be free. The individual within the death-culture of money is often made to cherish his servitude. With an awakened mind, the liberated man in his rightful paradisiacal place would undoubtedly feel joy as his dominant volitional emotion.

    Using such established methods of influence, the individual could easily be led to such things as self-disembowelment proceeded by a period of stationary rope-skipping, with his own entrails as the rope. However, should these techniques be used in the cause of universal harmony, in place of sadism, a new Eden would emerge with astounding expedition. If resorted to, perhaps this could well be the way to proceed.

    Should it ultimately be shown that greed and corruption are indeed innate features of the human anima, any corrective effort may well be futile whilst the money system predominates. With the dismantling of its insidious hegemony would come the opportunity to redress such psychical inequilibria.

    The system of money is begotten of pernicious minds and perpetuated by homogeneous fools and robotic imbeciles. It transforms Edens into cesspools. It is high time to break the chains, to emancipate the race from its malignant tyranny, and embrace the harmony of cooperative living.

    The salvation of the human species, as well as all others, lies in a return to nature. Our security is dependent not in a future of the destruction called progress, but in restitution of rudimentary living and ascetic desire. The current mass mode of living, guided by the dark light of money, is unsustainable and can lead only to oblivion, as it has already done so for countless lives and entire species. It is not a return to the insecurities and draconic struggle of how many perceive, rightly or wrongly, prehistoric man to have existed; it is a harmonic conglomeration between basic, rudimentary living and high technology. Post-money men would abide a beautiful merging of the finest elements of both worlds, rejecting all that is illaudable.

    True prestige lies within the bosom of nature and in simple living. This is what is important not the pretentious, vulgar, and ostentatious excesses of the over-moneyed and over-privileged. The prodigal ones, who are addicted to their overindulgences, would find that, once intelligence has returned to them, in a more natural world in which man cares for his fellow man such intemperate living would no longer be of appeal. Such greedy living, as well as the aberrant desire to conquer others, is antithetical to human nature - actual human nature, not that which the race has been duped into believing.

    The transition into the money-less model would not be without difficulties. However, they would not be insuperable but would require an appreciable period of time during which to overcome. Initially this period of transition would be more intensive and require more effort. Once the damage caused by aeons of living by money’s law has been corrected and stability reinstated, the required effort would be considerably less.

    With the establishment of the money-less society, people will be mindful of what they need and what they do not need. They will possess a clear understanding of the community model and would embrace their new independence. Any remaining transitionary work would be automatically undertaken; during the latter stages of changeover, and once implementation is complete, the system would be self-sustaining and self-progressing; the ultimate prize of a mature money-less world would occur as a natural consequence. Its continuation would advance unaided requiring no extraneous input, no leadership or enforcement from any centralised body, no outside supervision, no administration from any controlling regime, absolutely no officiousness, and certainly no government.

  2. I'm as on-board with the "love of money is the root of all evil" truth as anyone who knows the 'real deal' truth; however, I do not believe that money is the sole stumbling block between mankind and paradise. Yes, greed would be eliminated; so would intiative, in large part. And, there would be a greater societal breakdown as things no one likes to do would go undone. Money has always been the motivator for people like plumbers, 'dirty job' workers (see Mike Rowe),etc. You think ANY of them do it for pleasure or personal satisfaction? Nobody I know enjoys slogging knee-deep in waders through a septic tank.

    There would have to be some system of exchange; otherwise, one person who toiled for a week would find him/herself in an even trade with someone who labored for a half-hour. Resentment rears its ugly head, and you easily end up with a Cain & Abel scenario.

  3. Absolute BS. Money is just one desire of greed. There are other, more powerful desires: control, power, the ability to subjugate. All of those desires find their root in greed. Ridding the world of money doesn't and won't change that. It only changes a mechanism. An astute student of history would readily see this.

    Who says your "paradise" would be universally desired by all?

  4. alienator said:

    Absolute BS. Money is just one desire of greed. There are other, more powerful desires: control, power, the ability to subjugate. All of those desires find their root in greed. Ridding the world of money doesn't and won't change that. It only changes a mechanism. An astute student of history would readily see this.

    Who says your "paradise" would be universally desired by all?

    I'm impressed...you managed to read all that & not get bored...kudos 😄

  5. Hitchy said:

    I'm impressed...you managed to read all that & not get bored...kudos 😄

    Sorry that you found it uninteresting. Perhaps I should have included pictures of naked women?

  6. bigpedaler said:

    And, there would be a greater societal breakdown as things no one likes to do would go undone. Money has always been the motivator for people like plumbers, 'dirty job' workers (see Mike Rowe),etc. You think ANY of them do it for pleasure or personal satisfaction? Nobody I know enjoys slogging knee-deep in waders through a septic tank.

    Our ancestors had no complex plumbing or workmen to call upon to manage such a thing.

    However, there is no reason why a complex plumbing system cannot be self-monitoring, can self-diagnose any problem, and can self-repair and self-maintain. Even conventional technology is capable of such a fully automated system. Of course the emerging (and still highly suppressed) nano-tech field can provide much more advanced technology capable of far more.

    Septic tanks would likely be a thing of the past as the money-less world inhabitant would most probably compost his waste or utilise an equally sustainable, simple, and laudable system to deal with it, such as reed beds for example.

    Post-money man would be more capable, anyway, with such fundamental things as providing for himself; he would be quite capable in the installation and maintenance of simple pipe work and associated systems.

    Employing slaves and coercing people to limit their lives in mundane unpleasantness is the way of the current dark ages in which we now live under the rule of money and money's parents - the elite scumbag throne sitters.

  7. alienator said:

    Absolute BS. Money is just one desire of greed. There are other, more powerful desires: control, power, the ability to subjugate. All of those desires find their root in greed. Ridding the world of money doesn't and won't change that. It only changes a mechanism. An astute student of history would readily see this.

    Who says your "paradise" would be universally desired by all?

    This was addressed in the article.

    Greed, the desire to control others, and so on, are all aberrant traits which result from minds being damaged and bastardised by synthetic and anti-natural modes of living - the ersatz mode, or the culture of death.

    It is unlikely that these undesirable traits are natural but that they do result from some sort of insidious interference of the human psyche. Regardless, in the money-less world, being a world which is different to this current world in very many ways, there would be nothing to stimulate such desires but only things to eradicate or suppress them.

  8. Ratiocinator said:

    This was addressed in the article.

    Greed, the desire to control others, and so on, are all aberrant traits which result from minds being damaged and bastardised by synthetic and anti-natural modes of living - the ersatz mode, or the culture of death.

    It is unlikely that these undesirable traits are natural but that they do result from some sort of insidious interference of the human psyche. Regardless, in the money-less world, being a world which is different to this current world in very many ways, there would be nothing to stimulate such desires but only things to eradicate or suppress them.

    Care to offer anything like, say, facts? Sure, everyone enjoys reading a manifesto, but what you "suggest" has no place in intelligent conversation as it has no factual, intellectual, or intuitive basis.

    You seem to think technology is farther along than anyone knows. Golly, I wish someone would have told us scientists and engineers. Suppressed nanotechnology? Where did you come up with that idea, eh? You have zero clue as to what research is being done where (FYI, I spent several years up close and personal with "nanotechnology" research.). I doubt you understand what nanotechnology does and doesn't entail.

    I know there's little time to doddle about with those "facts" when you're busy putting the spit and polish on a new spin of the ol' idea of utopian society.

    What is your educational background, anyway?

  9. Ratiocinator said:

    Sorry that you found it uninteresting. Perhaps I should have included pictures of naked women?

    No,, not really (although with your stunning repartee it would help)...just less totally boring, irrelevant, subject matter would've done...

  10. Its got nothing to do with money. Alientator is correct.

    Nothing will ever expunge the urges of men to attempt to control women. Every human endeavour gyrates around this basic urge to conquer, control, influence and attempt to attract women.

    It is from this basic need that I personally blame the rise of all religious ideologies along with the majority of zones of conflict within societies. Founded for the sole purpose of controlling women. Gheyness abounds.

    I am also building a new tin foil hat but it isnt finished yet (I leant my old one to crankyfoot).

  11. alienator said:

    Care to offer anything like, say, facts? Sure, everyone enjoys reading a manifesto, but what you "suggest" has no place in intelligent conversation as it has no factual, intellectual, or intuitive basis.

    You seem to think technology is farther along than anyone knows. Golly, I wish someone would have told us scientists and engineers. Suppressed nanotechnology? Where did you come up with that idea, eh? You have zero clue as to what research is being done where (FYI, I spent several years up close and personal with "nanotechnology" research.). I doubt you understand what nanotechnology does and doesn't entail.

    I know there's little time to doddle about with those "facts" when you're busy putting the spit and polish on a new spin of the ol' idea of utopian society.

    What is your educational background, anyway?

    What sort of facts do you desire? Do you really need proof spelled out here of man’s heightened greed under the influence of money? Do you need evidence of the innumerate atrocities carried out daily in the name of money and profit – things which otherwise would not have been done? If this is what you seek then I suggest you take a look out of your window.

    Clearly, if you truly are what you claim to be, your education has been extremely limited and your scope left with a very narrow view of the technological world. This is especially the case if you have actually worked in the nano-tech field. Should you truly believe that great technologies have not been suppressed then I recommend you break free from your secluded cocoon. Are you familiar with this thing called the patent system? If so, what do you think it is for?

    You claim I have zero clue as to current research, but I say that it is you who is uninformed and left believing that only certain things are possible and many other things not possible, which actually are possible. In fact if it were not for my awareness that many workers are deliberately kept in the dark concerning what is truly possible then I would be accusing you of deceit.

    You are another detractor who demands facts but who arrogantly makes many wild claims himself without providing but a shred of evidence. So unless you wish to dissect any specific part of that article and provide a proper reason as to why you disagree with it, then I suggest this conversation end as I am not interested in fruitless arguing. As for my education, it is in mechanical engineering, with many other subjects, including health and nutrition, studied autodidactically.

  12. Geoff Vadar said:

    Its got nothing to do with money. Alientator is correct.

    Nothing will ever expunge the urges of men to attempt to control women. Every human endeavour gyrates around this basic urge to conquer, control, influence and attempt to attract women.

    Why do you believe this? Do you deny that man has been manipulated into living by an aberrant code which, in turn, has perverted and bastardised his mind thus causing his behaviour to be subpar to say the least?

    At the very least, I propound that money to man is as alcohol to an alcoholic. In the absence of alcohol, does the alcoholic behave the same as he would when drunk?

  13. Hitchy said:

    No,, not really (although with your stunning repartee it would help)...just less totally boring, irrelevant, subject matter would've done...

    May I suggest you watch fewer television game shows? Perhaps then your enjoyment of life would not be limited to inanity and vacuous fluff.

    Feel free to provide anything worthy to this discussion.

  14. Ratiocinator said:

    What sort of facts do you desire? Do you really need proof spelled out here of man’s heightened greed under the influence of money? Do you need evidence of the innumerate atrocities carried out daily in the name of money and profit – things which otherwise would not have been done? If this is what you seek then I suggest you take a look out of your window.

    Clearly, if you truly are what you claim to be, your education has been extremely limited and your scope left with a very narrow view of the technological world. This is especially the case if you have actually worked in the nano-tech field. Should you truly believe that great technologies have not been suppressed then I recommend you break free from your secluded cocoon. Are you familiar with this thing called the patent system? If so, what do you think it is for?

    You claim I have zero clue as to current research, but I say that it is you who is uninformed and left believing that only certain things are possible and many other things not possible, which actually are possible. In fact if it were not for my awareness that many workers are deliberately kept in the dark concerning what is truly possible then I would be accusing you of deceit.

    You are another detractor who demands facts but who arrogantly makes many wild claims himself without providing but a shred of evidence. So unless you wish to dissect any specific part of that article and provide a proper reason as to why you disagree with it, then I suggest this conversation end as I am not interested in fruitless arguing. As for my education, it is in mechanical engineering, with many other subjects, including health and nutrition, studied autodidactically.

    You're trying to argue a philosophical view, and that is a non-starter. You claim greed, thirst for power, the desire to control and/or subjugate others, and etc are "aberrant" human behavior and will go away once we're rid of the evil money demon. There is no logical path of thought that leads to such a conclusion, especially since such behavior has been exhibited in man for all time, before we even traded salt for services or goods.

    Patent law. Sure some abuse it, but it serves a necessary purpose: allowing people to protect their intellectual property and make some profit from it. Why the hell should everyone else be able to immediately profit from the efforts of some guy or gal that has labored for years to get to the point of making some profit, eh?

    So, please tell us what your background is. You've failed to answer that question. You're quick to make claims about "repressed" technology, so how about giving us your experience in the field, i.e. your personal experience with "repressed" technology? Please, be specific

    Also, please be specific, i.e. use those "fact" things, about those things about which my "eyes have been closed." Don't preach. Don't read from your manifesto. Don't philosophize. Use facts. If you don't have facts, you've got nothing except your own suspicions, conspiracy theories, and/or paranoia.

    You have yet to use a single fact or any sound logic what so ever.

  15. Ratiocinator said:

    May I suggest you watch fewer television game shows? Perhaps then your enjoyment of life would not be limited to inanity and vacuous fluff.

    Feel free to provide anything worthy to this discussion.

    Wow. You've got the foaming rant thing down pat. If you want a philosophical debate, then go to a philosophical forum. As for discussion, you're "discussing" nothing. You're preaching, and just like a preacher, those who don't accept your faith are damned.

    The fact is that your discussion is offering nothing, except a series of rants from you.

    Enjoy your fantasies. I'm done with this. You're incapable of any form of reasonable discussion. Toodles, Peaches.

  16. Alienator (one has to wonder about a person who uses such a name and posts in such ways),

    My article speaks for itself. If you had chosen to stay here I would have repeated my invitation for you to quote a specific part of it for me to provide you with further explanation. Merely conducting your opposition by claiming that I have nothing to offer other than a series of rants, speaks volumes about you. How you can possibly claim me to incapable of reasonable discussion after what I have posted here and especially on the basis of my response to another member who clearly is not adding anything of worth here, is something of an enigma.

    Your style of posting strongly suggests that you are steadfastly immured within an erroneous paradigm which forbids everything other than a select and limited type of pre-approved information and only when presented in a particular way. This is lamentable.

    Patent law is not only for the purpose you stated – a purpose which hinders development, creates paranoia, secrecy, promotes greed, insularity, and ensures continued inadequacy, it permits governments to have the pick of the pile; any new patent application they like the look of they suppress. They actively force the inventor to remain silent by forbidding him to ever discuss his now classified invention under threat of imprisonment.

    I answered your question concerning my background education. What more do you require, individual coursework grades?

    I am happy that you have chosen to discontinue your participation in this thread as you clearly have no interest in the article for which it was created to discuss.

  17. Ratiocinator said:


    Feel free to provide anything worthy to this discussion.

    Why, you haven't...you do 'get' that this is a cycling forum doncha?...I mean the "farkwits with grandiose views of their own importance" forum is elsewhere...I'm sure you're a member there

  18. Ratio, you seem to have a problem; anyone who doesn't wholly embrace the 'soundness' of your posted proposal is attacked from a position of pseudo-intellectual arrogance.

    The simple fact is this: money is not the source of all evil in the world. The imperfections of man are. Abolish the conduit for one, and you are still left with countless others.

    The idea of 'suppressed nanotechnology' smacks of conspiracy-theory paranoia, itself just another example of man's failings. Your refusal (or inability) to accept that other people are not vacuum-brained dolts just because they don't follow your 'pied pipings' is another still.

    The catholic church lists 7 deadly sins; greed is only one. Work on their other 6, and then come to realize that there are as many as there are people.

  19. bigpedaler said:

    Ratio, you seem to have a problem; anyone who doesn't wholly embrace the 'soundness' of your posted proposal is attacked from a position of pseudo-intellectual arrogance.


    It may seem that way but a closer inspection would reveal otherwise. Feel free to post an example and point out to me any shortcomings on my part. My opponents seem to lack the ability to do this.

    bigpedaler said:

    The simple fact is this: money is not the source of all evil in the world. The imperfections of man are. Abolish the conduit for one, and you are still left with countless others.


    I believe that the article addresses this point you raise, as well as replies I have made in this thread. I am sorry that you fail to understand what I have written.

    bigpedaler said:

    The idea of 'suppressed nanotechnology' smacks of conspiracy-theory paranoia, itself just another example of man's failings. Your refusal (or inability) to accept that other people are not vacuum-brained dolts just because they don't follow your 'pied pipings' is another still.


    'Conspiracy-theory paranoia?' That line smacks of conditioned response.

    If you think for one second that there are not fantastic technologies currently in existence which are being actively suppressed, then you have not been paying attention. What is presented to the public as the latest technology is many generations behind what is actually possible. History, alone, proves this. However, history is not needed, just a rudimentary understanding of how things work.

    I am quite open to the opinion of others. The problem is they are not saying much worth listening to. If this seems arrogant to you, then that is too bad.

    bigpedaler said:

    The catholic church lists 7 deadly sins; greed is only one. Work on their other 6, and then come to realize that there are as many as there are people.


    The Catholic Church is an abomination. However, some of what it purports to preach has merit. The seven deadly sins appear to represent an aberrant condition of mankind which is further worsened by his abiding an unnatural environment. If that is too obscure a thing for you to comprehend immediately, as it seems to be for others, then I suggest pondering it for a while, instead of badgering me for elaboration.

  20. First, I am not catholic; had you any discernment, you would have noticed that I omitted the honorary capitalization of the institution. Yes, some truths come through the clutter of pagan obscenity, and that these 'vices' are damaging is one of them. Trust me, I know a lot more about that subject than you credit me with.

    Now, as far as what you wrote; I have a problem with the abolition of money also doing away with, among the other things you mentioned, complacency. Those who do not wish to work, labor, or be productive will not do so unless under coercion. I also am appalled at your contention that some will end their own lives for the good of others. Look, Dr. Kevorkian, it's not money that places value on human life.

    As far as the 'conditioned response', you argue in circles; because I do not necessarily buy that there is a supression of nanotech DOES NOT MEAN that I deny any and all suppression of tech. Nice try. As far as 'being worth listening to', everyone has the right to decide that for themselves; but to promote your opinion in that matter as truth is arrogance in its extreme. You seem to have no problem REPLYING to others, so I'd say you find something of theirs worth your attention.

    I do not share your delusions of the basic goodness of man; were it true, most issues you attribute to money would not exist, for the basically good man would not tolerate it. Nor would there be a monetarily-based oppression, for the same reason.

    I do, however, like your paired lines: "History alone proves this. However, history is not needed." Translation: take my word for it, don't check up on me.

    You are free to have a grandiose and idealized view of the future, in any way you wish. I am free to accept or reject it. I am an intelligent creature, as you are. Your condesension towards me or any others here is immaterial; I only answer for the purpose of intellectual exercise. You can thrive in your life, or rot. I am largely indifferent, since you do not put a single crust of bread in front of my children, or a stitch of clothing over them. Nor, for that matter, do you so much as drip a droplet of lube on my chain.

    Take your inanities elsewhere.

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