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  1. IDEAL HEALTH

    There is no cancer in Hunzaland.l Nestled in the valleys of the beautiful,
    snow-covered Himalayan mountains, Hunza provides a peaceful, pure
    environment. Here the people live close to the land, close to nature,
    breathing pure air, drinking pure water and eating food in its natural
    state. The average Hunzan lives a healthy, robust life, free from disease;
    then simply dies in his sleep well beyond the age of 100. The whole nation
    of 10,000 people has only one doctor.

    We do not need a whole course in physiology and biology to know how to care
    for ourselves properly. Common sense and basic principles underlie good
    health and right living. We need fresh air, pure water, invigorating
    exercise and nourishing food. There is a great deal of truth to the old
    adage, "you are what you eat". However, it is more accurate to say, "you are
    what your body makes out of what you eat." A healthy body must properly
    digest, assimilate, process and deliver nutrients to every cell. It must
    also eliminate cellular waste and defend against external pathogens (disease
    causing agents).

    Research in the field of Mind-Body Medicine leaves little doubt that
    attitude affects health. Folk wisdom has long held that optimism leads to
    good health and modern medicine is beginning to pick up on this. "It is part
    of the cure to wish to be cured," said the noble Roman philosopher Seneca, a
    contemporary of Christ.

    "Change of diet will not help a man who will not change his thoughts. When a
    man makes his thoughts pure, he no longer desires impure food," wrote James
    Allen, whose inspirational classic As A Man Thinketh, has influenced
    millions for good. The body is the servant of the mind. A long, healthy and
    happy life is rooted in faith and obedience to the laws of nature.

    Ideal health therefore, is based on the foundations of Body, Mind and Spirit
    Herein lie the roots of Sung Bok Hsu's highly successful back-to- health
    program.

    NEED FOR CLEANSING

    Nearly every single American will be afflicted by a chronic, degenerative,
    debilitating, often life-threatening disease. Modern, hectic life-style;
    poor eating habits; depleted, overly- refined foods; lack of exercise;
    pollution; all place severe stress on the human body and contribute to the
    growing rates of cancer, diabetes, arthritis, and immune-related disease.

    Compare the human body to an automobile engine. A new car comes with clean
    oil. But the oil becomes dirty in its job of lubricating the engine. The oil
    itself is cleaned as it passes through the oil filter. After a time the
    unclean oil and the clogged filter must be replaced. If you don't, the
    engine will be ruined. The human body is a living system. It is constancy
    cleaning itself out. But if you overload the system with impurities,
    eventually it cannot handle them anymore and there will be a breakdown.

    Already one in four, now approaching one in three, face the scourge of
    cancer. And the astronomical advance of immune-related disorders in recent
    years has alarmed many. But this does not have to be our fate! We can learn
    the elements of good health and what to do to restore health. First we must
    overcome our ignorance and then practice the simple principles that promote
    good health.

    We look back with antipathy on archaic medical practices like leeching and
    bloodletting. Among many others, George Washington was literally bled to
    death. Perhaps its only a matter of time until we look at the present
    practices of cutting, burning and shooting the body full of radiation in a
    similar vein.

    Today we are aware that blood-cleansing rather than blood-letting is the
    answer. We are well aware that health or disease is determined in large part
    by the quality of the bloodstream. The wave of the future is in prevention.
    Life indeed is in the blood, for it is this river of life that delivers
    health-or disease-to the cells. As the eminent French scientist Louis
    Pasteur related before he died: "It is diseased tissue that creates a
    natural habitat for germs and virus. It was not the germs, rather the
    environment that caused disease."

  2. "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    IDEAL HEALTH

    There is no cancer in Hunzaland.l

    That is explained here:

    http://www.geocities.com/freee80/B-17.html

    or

    http://stopcancer.com/000/022.htm

    or

    http://www.rainbowminerals.net/cesium_info.htm

    or

    http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/

    or

    http://www.cybertown.com/slowaging2.html

    Of course, the fact that they live at 20,000 and have lower oxygen intake
    means nothing.

    Chuckle...competing sales yarns...

  3. "Markowicz Probertowicz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    IDEAL HEALTH

    There is no cancer in Hunzaland.l

    That is explained here:

    http://www.geocities.com/freee80/B-17.html

    or

    http://stopcancer.com/000/022.htm

    or

    http://www.rainbowminerals.net/cesium_info.htm

    or

    http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/

    or

    http://www.cybertown.com/slowaging2.html

    Of course, the fact that they live at 20,000 and have lower oxygen intake
    means nothing.

    Chuckle...competing sales yarns...

    You see what I've been telling you about understanding. Apparently you got
    no
    value from my post because you thought it was about cancer. Its that one
    narrow
    view thing again, that blocks understanding.

  4. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:


    IDEAL HEALTH

    There is no cancer in Hunzaland.l Nestled in the valleys of the beautiful,
    snow-covered Himalayan mountains, Hunza provides a peaceful, pure
    environment. Here the people live close to the land, close to nature,
    breathing pure air, drinking pure water and eating food in its natural
    state. The average Hunzan lives a healthy, robust life, free from disease;
    then simply dies in his sleep well beyond the age of 100.

    Another myth. There are several places in the world, all remote,
    where the people are "said" to have various wonderful health benefits,
    usually longevity, all of which derive from whatever product the
    spammer is pushing.

    Interestingly, nothing in the article mentions ginseng, which is
    therefore obviously not important.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  5. Quoted message said:

    ubject: The Path to Health
    From: "Dave" [email hidden]
    Date: 9/29/2003 7:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    IDEAL HEALTH

    hmmmm....did you write this???

    if not..it is customary to give the authors,,their credentials,,and what peer
    reviewed journal it appeared in..

    without the above...it is bunk...
    hawki

  6. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: The Path to Health
    From: "Dave" [email hidden]
    Date: 9/29/2003 8:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    You see what I've been telling you about understanding. Apparently you got
    no
    value from my post because you thought it was about cancer. Its that

    no...we got NO value from your post cuz you pretended you had written it
    yourself....

    and we KNOW how reputable YOUR info is!!!
    hawki

  7. "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:


    IDEAL HEALTH

    There is no cancer in Hunzaland.l Nestled in the valleys of the


    beautiful,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    snow-covered Himalayan mountains, Hunza provides a peaceful, pure
    environment. Here the people live close to the land, close to nature,
    breathing pure air, drinking pure water and eating food in its natural
    state. The average Hunzan lives a healthy, robust life, free from


    disease;

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    then simply dies in his sleep well beyond the age of 100.

    Another myth. There are several places in the world, all remote,
    where the people are "said" to have various wonderful health benefits,
    usually longevity, all of which derive from whatever product the
    spammer is pushing.

    You are so paranoid that you just shoot at things you can't even see. You
    epitomize the brainwashed pack of mindless people that are unable to
    defend themselves. You seem to think that I have YOUR belief system. You
    are wrong agin.

    Quoted message said:

    Interestingly, nothing in the article mentions ginseng, which is
    therefore obviously not important.

    A completely mindless statement that has nothimng whatsoever to do with
    here.

  8. "Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ubject: The Path to Health
    From: "Dave" [email hidden]
    Date: 9/29/2003 7:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    IDEAL HEALTH

    hmmmm....did you write this???

    if not..it is customary to give the authors,,their credentials,,and what


    peer

    Quoted message said:

    reviewed journal it appeared in..

    without the above...it is bunk...
    hawki

    You live in a state of bunk, I wouldn't want to wake you.

  9. "Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: The Path to Health
    From: "Dave" [email hidden]
    Date: 9/29/2003 8:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    You see what I've been telling you about understanding. Apparently you


    got

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    no
    value from my post because you thought it was about cancer. Its that

    no...we got NO value from your post cuz you pretended you had written it
    yourself....

    and we KNOW how reputable YOUR info is!!!
    hawki

    The truth IS the truth. You would be unable to recognize it by yourself.
    That is
    what brainwashing does, it creates mindless minions.

  10. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:

    "Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and we KNOW how reputable YOUR info is!!!
    hawki

    The truth IS the truth. You would be unable to recognize it by yourself.
    That is
    what brainwashing does, it creates mindless minions.

    So I've noticed from observing your mindless inability to think
    critically about ginseng or any other "alternative" remedy you've
    mentioned.
    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  11. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:


    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:


    IDEAL HEALTH

    There is no cancer in Hunzaland.l Nestled in the valleys of the


    beautiful,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    snow-covered Himalayan mountains, Hunza provides a peaceful, pure
    environment. Here the people live close to the land, close to nature,
    breathing pure air, drinking pure water and eating food in its natural
    state. The average Hunzan lives a healthy, robust life, free from
    disease; then simply dies in his sleep well beyond the age of 100.

    Another myth. There are several places in the world, all remote,
    where the people are "said" to have various wonderful health benefits,
    usually longevity, all of which derive from whatever product the
    spammer is pushing.

    You are so paranoid that you just shoot at things you can't even see.

    You are so ignorant that you continue to spam.

    Quoted message said:

    You epitomize the brainwashed pack of mindless people that are unable
    to defend themselves.

    I'm defending myself quite well. It's you who retreats into obscenity
    and insults whenever faced with a contradiction you can't weasel out
    of.

    Quoted message said:

    You seem to think that I have YOUR belief system. You are wrong agin.

    Oh, I *know* you don't have my belief system, which includes a belief
    in not spamming non-commerical newsgroups, you scumsucker. Your
    belief system begins and ends with making money on your ginseng.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Interestingly, nothing in the article mentions ginseng, which is
    therefore obviously not important.

    A completely mindless statement that has nothimng whatsoever to do with
    here.

    It has everything to do with your posts. If the Hunza people are so
    damn healthy and long-lived without your ginseng, who needs you?

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  12. "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:


    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    Dave <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >IDEAL HEALTH
    >
    >There is no cancer in Hunzaland.l Nestled in the valleys of the


    beautiful,

    Quoted message said:

    >snow-covered Himalayan mountains, Hunza provides a peaceful, pure
    >environment. Here the people live close to the land, close to nature,
    >breathing pure air, drinking pure water and eating food in its natural
    >state. The average Hunzan lives a healthy, robust life, free from
    >disease; then simply dies in his sleep well beyond the age of 100.

    Another myth. There are several places in the world, all remote,
    where the people are "said" to have various wonderful health benefits,
    usually longevity, all of which derive from whatever product the
    spammer is pushing.

    You are so paranoid that you just shoot at things you can't even see.

    You are so ignorant that you continue to spam.

    Quoted message said:

    You epitomize the brainwashed pack of mindless people that are unable
    to defend themselves.

    I'm defending myself quite well. It's you who retreats into obscenity
    and insults whenever faced with a contradiction you can't weasel out
    of.

    Quoted message said:

    You seem to think that I have YOUR belief system. You are wrong agin.

    Oh, I *know* you don't have my belief system, which includes a belief
    in not spamming non-commerical newsgroups, you scumsucker. Your
    belief system begins and ends with making money on your ginseng.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Interestingly, nothing in the article mentions ginseng, which is
    therefore obviously not important.

    A completely mindless statement that has nothimng whatsoever to do with
    here.

    It has everything to do with your posts. If the Hunza people are so
    damn healthy and long-lived without your ginseng, who needs you?

    You were a yes, weren't you. The point is that in fact the Hunza people do
    NOT
    need ginseng. Their environment and lifestyle make it completely
    unnecessary. Did
    you notice they have only one doctor? They don't need you either. How do you
    figure "our" state of health compares?

  13. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Spammin' Dave said:


    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It has everything to do with your posts. If the Hunza people are so
    damn healthy and long-lived without your ginseng, who needs you?

    You were a yes, weren't you. The point is that in fact the Hunza
    people do NOT need ginseng.

    Just like everyone else.

    Quoted message said:

    Their environment and lifestyle make it completely unnecessary. Did
    you notice they have only one doctor?

    Did you notice there was no date on the article you posted? Most of
    those "Hunza is an idyllic place" articles go back to around the start
    of the 20th century. As a side note, it's likely that this mythical
    description of the Hunza region was the basis for "Shangri-la."

    Quoted message said:

    They don't need you either. How do you figure "our" state of health
    compares?

    To their actual health, or the fictional state described by your
    article? Obviously we aren't as healthy as your article described,
    but then neither are the Hunza people. Your article was sheerest
    fantasy. Oh, people who live in such a difficult environment tend
    to be healthy -- lots of exercise, not much pollution, and so on,
    but the Hunzakuts were also known for raiding most any caravan that
    passed through their territory (in modern-day Pakistan). Here's a
    little something I found via google:

    As someone who has lived and worked in the Hunza and Baltistan
    region of northern Pakistan, it is important to first debunk the
    myth that the Burushushki, Wakhi and Shina people of the Hunza
    region are blessed with the lives of Methusula. This was
    actually a myth whcih gained momentum when it was written up by
    Dr. Alexander Leaf, in the January 1973 issue of National
    Geographic magazine. There is absolutely no scientific validity
    to his claim...

    [I read that issue! -- DW]

    People of the Hunza suffer from malnutrition and nutrition
    deficiencies just as much as any other remote mountain region
    in SE Asia. Although the predominantly Ismaeli feath (branch
    of Shi-ite muslims) are progressive and relatively better off
    than most fo their neighbours in nearby regions, they will all
    tell visitors taht their life expectancy is around 50-60 years,
    just like any other region of northern Pakistan.

    So, I'd say the health of the US and Canada is considerably better
    than the Hunza region -- we generally live past 60.

    So, Spammin' Dave, you've just been propagating a myth, much like
    all the other myths you propagate about your silly ginseng.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  14. "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Spammin' Dave said:


    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It has everything to do with your posts. If the Hunza people are so
    damn healthy and long-lived without your ginseng, who needs you?

    You were a yes, weren't you. The point is that in fact the Hunza
    people do NOT need ginseng.

    Just like everyone else.

    Quoted message said:

    Their environment and lifestyle make it completely unnecessary. Did
    you notice they have only one doctor?

    Did you notice there was no date on the article you posted? Most of
    those "Hunza is an idyllic place" articles go back to around the start
    of the 20th century. As a side note, it's likely that this mythical
    description of the Hunza region was the basis for "Shangri-la."

    Quoted message said:

    They don't need you either. How do you figure "our" state of health
    compares?

    To their actual health, or the fictional state described by your
    article? Obviously we aren't as healthy as your article described,
    but then neither are the Hunza people. Your article was sheerest
    fantasy. Oh, people who live in such a difficult environment tend
    to be healthy -- lots of exercise, not much pollution, and so on,
    but the Hunzakuts were also known for raiding most any caravan that
    passed through their territory (in modern-day Pakistan). Here's a
    little something I found via google:

    As someone who has lived and worked in the Hunza and Baltistan
    region of northern Pakistan, it is important to first debunk the
    myth that the Burushushki, Wakhi and Shina people of the Hunza
    region are blessed with the lives of Methusula. This was
    actually a myth whcih gained momentum when it was written up by
    Dr. Alexander Leaf, in the January 1973 issue of National
    Geographic magazine. There is absolutely no scientific validity
    to his claim...

    [I read that issue! -- DW]

    People of the Hunza suffer from malnutrition and nutrition
    deficiencies just as much as any other remote mountain region
    in SE Asia. Although the predominantly Ismaeli feath (branch
    of Shi-ite muslims) are progressive and relatively better off
    than most fo their neighbours in nearby regions, they will all
    tell visitors taht their life expectancy is around 50-60 years,
    just like any other region of northern Pakistan.

    So, I'd say the health of the US and Canada is considerably better
    than the Hunza region -- we generally live past 60.

    So, Spammin' Dave, you've just been propagating a myth, much like
    all the other myths you propagate about your silly ginseng.

    Given your credibility and apparent flights of fantasy, all I can say is
    "I've
    enjoyed your views". LOL

  15. --

    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Given your credibility and apparent flights of fantasy, all I can say is
    "I've
    enjoyed your views". LOL

    So, Dave, can you produce any evidence that the Hunza actually do live long
    and healthy lives?

    --Rich

  16. Dave said:

    There is no cancer in Hunzaland.

    That is an idiot lie.

    Aribert Deckers
    --
    POLICE - POLIZEI - POLITIE - POLICIA

    http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amapolis.htm

  17. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:


    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Spammin' Dave said:


    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    > It has everything to do with your posts. If the Hunza people are so
    > damn healthy and long-lived without your ginseng, who needs you?

    You were a yes, weren't you. The point is that in fact the Hunza
    people do NOT need ginseng.

    Just like everyone else.

    Quoted message said:

    Their environment and lifestyle make it completely unnecessary. Did
    you notice they have only one doctor?

    Did you notice there was no date on the article you posted? Most of
    those "Hunza is an idyllic place" articles go back to around the start
    of the 20th century. As a side note, it's likely that this mythical
    description of the Hunza region was the basis for "Shangri-la."

    Quoted message said:

    They don't need you either. How do you figure "our" state of health
    compares?

    To their actual health, or the fictional state described by your
    article? Obviously we aren't as healthy as your article described,
    but then neither are the Hunza people. Your article was sheerest
    fantasy. Oh, people who live in such a difficult environment tend
    to be healthy -- lots of exercise, not much pollution, and so on,
    but the Hunzakuts were also known for raiding most any caravan that
    passed through their territory (in modern-day Pakistan). Here's a
    little something I found via google:

    As someone who has lived and worked in the Hunza and Baltistan
    region of northern Pakistan, it is important to first debunk the
    myth that the Burushushki, Wakhi and Shina people of the Hunza
    region are blessed with the lives of Methusula. This was
    actually a myth whcih gained momentum when it was written up by
    Dr. Alexander Leaf, in the January 1973 issue of National
    Geographic magazine. There is absolutely no scientific validity
    to his claim...

    [I read that issue! -- DW]

    People of the Hunza suffer from malnutrition and nutrition
    deficiencies just as much as any other remote mountain region
    in SE Asia. Although the predominantly Ismaeli feath (branch
    of Shi-ite muslims) are progressive and relatively better off
    than most fo their neighbours in nearby regions, they will all
    tell visitors taht their life expectancy is around 50-60 years,
    just like any other region of northern Pakistan.

    So, I'd say the health of the US and Canada is considerably better
    than the Hunza region -- we generally live past 60.

    So, Spammin' Dave, you've just been propagating a myth, much like
    all the other myths you propagate about your silly ginseng.

    Given your credibility and apparent flights of fantasy, all I can say is
    "I've enjoyed your views". LOL

    I enjoy the resonant sound your empty skull makes when you laugh.
    It's your only defense against facts. Poor spammin' you.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  18. In said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The truth IS the truth. You would be unable to recognize it by yourself.
    That is
    what brainwashing does, it creates mindless minions.

    So I've noticed from observing your mindless inability to think
    critically about ginseng or any other "alternative" remedy you've
    mentioned.

    What "other remedies?"

    --
    | "Really, I'm not out to destroy Microsoft. That will just be a |
    | completely unintentional side effect. " -- Linus Torvalds |
    +--------------- D. C. Sessions <[email hidden]> ----------+

  19. In article <[email hidden]>,

    D. C. Sessions said:
    In said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The truth IS the truth. You would be unable to recognize it by yourself.
    That is
    what brainwashing does, it creates mindless minions.

    So I've noticed from observing your mindless inability to think
    critically about ginseng or any other "alternative" remedy you've
    mentioned.

    What "other remedies?"

    Point taken. Glowlife Dave does seem to think that Ginseng is the only
    remedy you need for anything. However, Glowlife Dave HAS jumped into
    certain threads to defend others who were pushing other altie "remedies"
    (such as "Anth" and the pee-drinker Medtools); so from that I guessed
    that he thought those remedies might be worthwhile. Perhaps he'll prove
    me wrong and tell me of a single alternative remedy that he considers
    not efficacious.
    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  20. Thanx for posting this info. It was very interesting. I asssumed there
    was a place like this. I live in Silicon Valley with a hi level of
    smog. Brought up eating good tasting garbage. Gradually gettin off it.
    I hope to live in a environment suitable for human habitat in the
    future.
    Stan

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