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  1. 1. Lance Armstrong (USA) US Postal 8.02
    2. Alex Zülle (Swi) Banesto 0.07
    3. Abraham Olano (Spa) ONCE-Deutsche Bank 0.11
    4. Christophe Moreau (Fra) Festina 0.15
    5. Chris Boardman (GBR) Crédit Agricole 0.16
    6. Rik Verbrugghe (Bel) Lotto-Mobistar 0.18
    7. Alexandre Vinokourov (Kzk) Casino 0.21
    8. Santos Gonzalez (Spa) ONCE-Deutsche Bank 0.21
    9. Laurent Brochard (Fra) Festina 0.21
    10. Gilles Maignan (Fra) Casino 0.23

    Who?

  2. gym.gravity a écrit :

    Quoted message said:

    1. Lance Armstrong (USA) US Postal 8.02
    2. Alex Zülle (Swi) Banesto 0.07
    3. Abraham Olano (Spa) ONCE-Deutsche Bank 0.11
    4. Christophe Moreau (Fra) Festina 0.15
    5. Chris Boardman (GBR) Crédit Agricole 0.16
    6. Rik Verbrugghe (Bel) Lotto-Mobistar 0.18
    7. Alexandre Vinokourov (Kzk) Casino 0.21
    8. Santos Gonzalez (Spa) ONCE-Deutsche Bank 0.21
    9. Laurent Brochard (Fra) Festina 0.21
    10. Gilles Maignan (Fra) Casino 0.23

    If I understood today's L'Equipe, the first 4 riders had positive
    EPO samples.

    -ilan

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    gym.gravity a écrit :

    Quoted message said:

    1. Lance Armstrong (USA) US Postal 8.02
    2. Alex Zülle (Swi) Banesto 0.07
    3. Abraham Olano (Spa) ONCE-Deutsche Bank 0.11
    4. Christophe Moreau (Fra) Festina 0.15
    5. Chris Boardman (GBR) Crédit Agricole 0.16
    6. Rik Verbrugghe (Bel) Lotto-Mobistar 0.18
    7. Alexandre Vinokourov (Kzk) Casino 0.21
    8. Santos Gonzalez (Spa) ONCE-Deutsche Bank 0.21
    9. Laurent Brochard (Fra) Festina 0.21
    10. Gilles Maignan (Fra) Casino 0.23

    If I understood today's L'Equipe, the first 4 riders had positive
    EPO samples.

    -ilan

    Time to have a party watching Olano stick it to the Columbians climbing at
    altitude winning the World RR. You really have to feel for the Columbians
    who were blown away by the EPO riders from Italy and Spain.

  4. Moreau must be clean! I am outraged.

    RVD

  5. Quoted message said:

    gym.gravity a écrit :

    Quoted message said:

    1. Lance Armstrong (USA) US Postal 8.02
    2. Alex Zülle (Swi) Banesto 0.07
    3. Abraham Olano (Spa) ONCE-Deutsche Bank 0.11
    4. Christophe Moreau (Fra) Festina 0.15
    5. Chris Boardman (GBR) Crédit Agricole 0.16
    6. Rik Verbrugghe (Bel) Lotto-Mobistar 0.18
    7. Alexandre Vinokourov (Kzk) Casino 0.21
    8. Santos Gonzalez (Spa) ONCE-Deutsche Bank 0.21
    9. Laurent Brochard (Fra) Festina 0.21
    10. Gilles Maignan (Fra) Casino 0.23

    If I understood today's L'Equipe, the first 4 riders had positive
    EPO samples.

    Boardman was always regarded as being clean - which is why he always got
    blown off on the hills. I wonder if he wishes he was shooting up with
    the best of them?

  6. gym.gravity said:

    1. Lance Armstrong (USA) US Postal 8.02
    2. Alex Zülle (Swi) Banesto 0.07
    3. Abraham Olano (Spa) ONCE-Deutsche Bank 0.11
    4. Christophe Moreau (Fra) Festina 0.15
    5. Chris Boardman (GBR) Crédit Agricole 0.16

    Just on spec, I looked at that and thought "Boardman, no way". Then looking
    at Ilan's reply - first 4 positive, sounds about right.

    Paging Big Mig, Greg Lemond, Stephen Swart, Bjarne Riis, Mike Anderson and
    Emma O'Reilly for comment.

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  7. davidof said:

    Boardman was always regarded as being clean - which is why he always got
    blown off on the hills. I wonder if he wishes he was shooting up with
    the best of them?

    dumbass,

    obviously i don't have inside info, but those perceptions don't mean
    shid.

    before the olympics if you looked up "boy scout" you'd see a picture of
    tyler hamilton.

  8. Oh, and the fact that he had horrible bike handling skills while riding in the
    Peleton had nothing to do with why new never won?

    davidof said:
    Quoted message said:

    gym.gravity a écrit :

    Quoted message said:

    1. Lance Armstrong (USA) US Postal 8.02
    2. Alex Zülle (Swi) Banesto 0.07
    3. Abraham Olano (Spa) ONCE-Deutsche Bank 0.11
    4. Christophe Moreau (Fra) Festina 0.15
    5. Chris Boardman (GBR) Crédit Agricole 0.16
    6. Rik Verbrugghe (Bel) Lotto-Mobistar 0.18
    7. Alexandre Vinokourov (Kzk) Casino 0.21
    8. Santos Gonzalez (Spa) ONCE-Deutsche Bank 0.21
    9. Laurent Brochard (Fra) Festina 0.21
    10. Gilles Maignan (Fra) Casino 0.23

    If I understood today's L'Equipe, the first 4 riders had positive
    EPO samples.

    Boardman was always regarded as being clean - which is why he always got
    blown off on the hills. I wonder if he wishes he was shooting up with
    the best of them?

  9. Moreau must be clean! I am outraged.

    RVD

    -------------------------
    ph yeah totally clean, how many 6'2'' 175 pound climbers do you know?

  10. Paging Big Mig, Greg Lemond, Stephen Swart, Bjarne Riis, Mike Anderson
    and
    Emma O'Reilly for comment

    --------------------
    riis standard reply: "I never tested positive for doping products"
    yeah but did you ever dope? "I never tested positive for doping
    products"
    at least the guy wasn't a liar.

  11. Quoted message said:


    If I understood today's L'Equipe, the first 4 riders had positive
    EPO samples.

    Not really. They usually test the stage winner, the leader and three
    riders at random. I though they tested the second placed rider too, but
    that's not in the rules. I don't know if the prologue (or first stage)
    is an exception. Seems not, as there are only four samples, not five,
    in the prologue.

    Jenko

  12. "Rik Van Diesel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Moreau must be clean! I am outraged.

    RVD

    Moreau probably [censored] in everyone elses samples.

    -T

  13. Rik Van Diesel said:

    Moreau must be clean! I am outraged.

    mike said:

    ph yeah totally clean, how many 6'2'' 175 pound climbers do you know?

    Hincapie ?

  14. in 481736 20050825 095358 Donald Munro said:
    Rik Van Diesel said:

    Moreau must be clean! I am outraged.

    mike said:

    ph yeah totally clean, how many 6'2'' 175 pound climbers do you know?

    Hincapie ?

    Boom-boom!

  15. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    riis standard reply: "I never tested positive for doping products"
    yeah but did you ever dope? "I never tested positive for doping
    products"
    at least the guy wasn't a liar.

    It would be stupid for him, or any other rider, to reply in a different
    manner.
    --------------
    Alex

  16. PRECISELY the point. Now I suppose that Lafferty will tell us that
    despite the fact that he just insisted that EPO can be detect long
    after it has broken down by today's super sensitive testing processes,
    he will equally insist that the reason that Hincapie could win the
    hardest stage of the 2005 Tour de France was because he was using EPO.

    I've discussed this before - blood has a finite shelf life and can only
    be stored effectively for a month or so (though it's used up to three
    months old if memory serves). In racing season, how does an athlete
    store away his own blood for autologous transfusion? The answer is that
    unless he disappears out of the peloton for a month to six weeks he
    doesn't.

  17. I believe they were taking urine samples from everyone then as well
    weren't they? That means that they had hundreds of samples.

  18. "It would be stupid for him, or any other rider, to reply in a
    different manner."

    Note that some people believe that if you've ever had EPO that somehow
    the effects last the rest of your life.

  19. Tom Kunich said:

    I've discussed this before - blood has a finite shelf life and can only
    be stored effectively for a month or so (though it's used up to three
    months old if memory serves). In racing season, how does an athlete
    store away his own blood for autologous transfusion? The answer is that
    unless he disappears out of the peloton for a month to six weeks he
    doesn't.

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=features/2005/avoid_positive

  20. Donald Munro said:
    Quoted message said:

    ph yeah totally clean, how many 6'2'' 175 pound climbers do you know?

    Hincapie ?

    A Discovery 6'2" climber has been reported to be one of the prologue
    positives. The other two riders are known dopers. I'm not sure how
    reliable this information is.

    Jenko

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