the new stingray

Yup. Cycling can be about transportation and style, too.
That thing will get a lot of kidz away from thier computers and back outside.

Menotomy Vintage Bicycles, Inc.
http://OldRoads.com

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It's the weirdest thing, it has a motorcycle wheel and tire on the back and
it weighs a ton.

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it weighs a ton.

That estimate is off by a mile.

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it weighs a ton.

LioNiNoiL_a t_Y a h o o_d 0 t_c 0 m said:

That estimate is off by a mile.

You've been told a million times, don't exaggerate

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

A Muzi said:

Quoted message said:

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it weighs a ton.

LioNiNoiL_a t_Y a h o o_d 0 t_c 0 m said:

That estimate is off by a mile.

You've been told a million times, don't exaggerate

It weighs at least 50 lbs and probably more. I came upon a kid
struggling to push one up one of the larger hills in town.
Probably be real fast as possibly fun going down if it is stable.
Hope that single giant v-brake on that small radius rear wheel works.

CRM

cashrefundman said:

A Muzi said:

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> it weighs a ton.

LioNiNoiL_a t_Y a h o o_d 0 t_c 0 m said:

That estimate is off by a mile.

You've been told a million times, don't exaggerate

It weighs at least 50 lbs and probably more. I came upon a kid
struggling to push one up one of the larger hills in town.
Probably be real fast as possibly fun going down if it is stable.
Hope that single giant v-brake on that small radius rear wheel works.

CRM

I've ridden one, and I don't think it weighs nearly 50 lbs. The v-brake
works OK, but the one I worked on had the giant rear wheel hilariously out
of true when the bike was new. Another serious problem is the handlebars,
which creak and bend under normal riding conditions.

OTOH, people love this bike and it's gonna sell like hotcakes.

"cashrefundman" wrote ...

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It weighs at least 50 lbs and probably more.

(snip)

50 lbs! That's what my steel framed TREK weighs when loaded with water
bottles, SLA batteries and a half decent load in my panniers as I commute
back and forth to work ... but at least I have miltiple gears to ease the
load ;-)

I haven't seen one of these new Stingrays on the street ..... yet.

Richard in Boston, MA, USA

"Callistus Valerius" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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It's the weirdest thing, it has a motorcycle wheel and tire on the back

and

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it weighs a ton.

http://www.schwinnstingray.com/

They look pretty cool. My LBS has one.

Callistus Valerius said:

It's the weirdest thing, it has a motorcycle wheel and tire on the back and
it weighs a ton.

http://www.schwinnstingray.com/

The "classic" looks like a Stingray. The others don't.

Jacobe Hazzard said:

OTOH, people love this bike and it's gonna sell like hotcakes.

Put an OCC logo on a dog turd and it would sell like hotcakes.

Todd Kuzma
Heron Bicycles
Tullio's Big Dog Cyclery
LaSalle, Il 815-223-1776
http://www.heronbicycles.com
http://www.tullios.com

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it weighs a ton.

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That estimate is off by a mile.

You've been told a million times, don't exaggerate

As William Safire once said, "exaggeration is a billion times worse than
understatement."

Callistus Valerius said:

It's the weirdest thing, it has a motorcycle wheel and tire on the back and
it weighs a ton.

http://www.schwinnstingray.com/

That's not a motorcycle tire, it's just the fattest 20" (ISO 406)
bicycle tire ever made. The rim must be in the same category.

I've had a look at the bikes at my LBS, and they are cool kid bikes
for sure. The forks are cheesy but seem to do the job, and I'm a bit
surprised that such an unorthodox bike with so many special parts
could retail for $185 or whatever cheap sum this thing is going for.

I am certainly getting some of those rims and tires when they become
available as spares. They'd be just the thing for a cool chopper
trike with multi-surface capability.

The unicyclist community is onto this one, too:
http://gallery.unicyclist.com/albux52

Chalo Colina

in article [email hidden], Chalo at
[email hidden] wrote on 8/11/04 6:26 PM:

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I've had a look at the bikes at my LBS, and they are cool kid bikes
for sure. The forks are cheesy but seem to do the job, and I'm a bit
surprised that such an unorthodox bike with so many special parts
could retail for $185 or whatever cheap sum this thing is going for.

WalMart retails these for $177.77. I believe that the suggested price is
$185. In any case, the price made so low by eliminating the retailer's
profit margin. The wholesale cost of the bike plus shipping and assembly is
at least $185.

WalMart, of course, gets better pricing, lives on a much lower margin, and
doesn't give a [censored] if it is assembled correctly.

Todd Kuzma
Heron Bicycles
Tullio's Big Dog Cyclery
LaSalle, IL
http://www.heronbicycles.com/
http://www.tullios.com/

Todd Kuzma said:

in article [email hidden], Chalo at
[email hidden] wrote on 8/11/04 6:26 PM:

Quoted message said:

I've had a look at the bikes at my LBS, and they are cool kid bikes
for sure. The forks are cheesy but seem to do the job, and I'm a bit
surprised that such an unorthodox bike with so many special parts
could retail for $185 or whatever cheap sum this thing is going for.

WalMart retails these for $177.77. I believe that the suggested price is
$185. In any case, the price made so low by eliminating the retailer's
profit margin. The wholesale cost of the bike plus shipping and assembly is
at least $185.

WalMart, of course, gets better pricing, lives on a much lower margin, and
doesn't give a [censored] if it is assembled correctly.

Todd Kuzma
Heron Bicycles
Tullio's Big Dog Cyclery
LaSalle, IL
http://www.heronbicycles.com/
http://www.tullios.com/

Dear Todd,

You may want to check your figures.

My fully assembled fifteen-speed Fury RoadMaster cost $57.71
with tax at WalMart 161 four-mile rides ago.

So far, no problems.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:25:43 -0400, "Richard Amirault" <[email hidden]>

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I haven't seen one of these new Stingrays on the street ..... yet.

I have and was thinking what the hell and I am glad I don't have to peddle it
(G)

--
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See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions.

in article [email hidden], [email hidden]
at [email hidden] wrote on 8/11/04 9:27 PM:

Quoted message said:

Todd Kuzma said:

WalMart retails these for $177.77. I believe that the suggested price is
$185. In any case, the price made so low by eliminating the retailer's
profit margin. The wholesale cost of the bike plus shipping and assembly is
at least $185.

WalMart, of course, gets better pricing, lives on a much lower margin, and
doesn't give a [censored] if it is assembled correctly.

You may want to check your figures.

My fully assembled fifteen-speed Fury RoadMaster cost $57.71
with tax at WalMart 161 four-mile rides ago.

So far, no problems.

Carl,

I'm not sure that I understand your point. What am I checking in my
figures?

Todd Kuzma
Heron Bicycles
Tullio's Big Dog Cyclery
LaSalle, IL
http://www.heronbicycles.com/
http://www.tullios.com/

Todd Kuzma said:

in article [email hidden], [email hidden]
at [email hidden] wrote on 8/11/04 9:27 PM:

Quoted message said:

Todd Kuzma said:

WalMart retails these for $177.77. I believe that the suggested price is
$185. In any case, the price made so low by eliminating the retailer's
profit margin. The wholesale cost of the bike plus shipping and assembly is
at least $185.

WalMart, of course, gets better pricing, lives on a much lower margin, and
doesn't give a [censored] if it is assembled correctly.

You may want to check your figures.

My fully assembled fifteen-speed Fury RoadMaster cost $57.71
with tax at WalMart 161 four-mile rides ago.

So far, no problems.

Carl,

I'm not sure that I understand your point. What am I checking in my
figures?

Todd Kuzma

Dear Todd,

Well . . .

You say that a bicycle (whose only obvious feature is its
odd style) has not only a "suggested price" of $185, but
also an overall wholesale cost to the seller of $185.

What seller would spend $185 per bicycle just to sell the
same bicycles for $185?

You say that WalMart assembles these bicycles sloppily,
prices them for lower (not higher) profit margins, and pays
manufacturers less for them.

Yet with all these supposed advantages, WalMart reduces the
price only from $185 to $177.77 , a 4% shaving amounting to
only $7.23.

Meanwhile, WalMart imports and sells the Fury RoadMaster at
a profit for under $60, even though the Fury weighs roughly
as much as the style-bike and is arguably more complicated
and expensive-to-manufacture because of its front and rear
derailleurs.

WalMart also assembles the Fury well enough for steady
riding equivalent to a daily commute to school by a 195-lb
"schoolboy" pushing fifty.

If more complicated bicycles can be imported, assembled, and
sold at a profit for a third of a similar bicycle's $185
"suggested price," then perhaps we're looking at the grossly
inflated price that only a style-driven market will bear and
the stylish bicycle actually has a wholesale cost far below
the suggested retail price.

Naturally, this has nothing to do with the deadly serious
practicalities of rec.bicycles.tech, where we insist on
value for money--after all, bicycles are not toys or
luxuries around here!

Conspicuously,

T. Veblen

in article [email hidden], [email hidden]
at [email hidden] wrote on 8/12/04 12:46 AM:

Quoted message said:

You say that a bicycle (whose only obvious feature is its
odd style) has not only a "suggested price" of $185, but
also an overall wholesale cost to the seller of $185.

What seller would spend $185 per bicycle just to sell the
same bicycles for $185?

Not many which is why the few remaining Schwinn dealers are hopping mad
about Pacific's (the owner of the Schwinn name) pricing strategy with this
bike. Pacific is supposedly responding with some similar models that won't
be sold in stores like WalMart.

Quoted message said:

You say that WalMart assembles these bicycles sloppily,
prices them for lower (not higher) profit margins, and pays
manufacturers less for them.

Yet with all these supposed advantages, WalMart reduces the
price only from $185 to $177.77 , a 4% shaving amounting to
only $7.23.

Meanwhile, WalMart imports and sells the Fury RoadMaster at
a profit for under $60, even though the Fury weighs roughly
as much as the style-bike and is arguably more complicated
and expensive-to-manufacture because of its front and rear
derailleurs.

WalMart also assembles the Fury well enough for steady
riding equivalent to a daily commute to school by a 195-lb
"schoolboy" pushing fifty.

The Roadmaster is surely less expensive to manufacture since it uses all
off-the-shelf components and a much easier to build frame. The StingRay has
many unique parts that are being made in very low quantities.

WalMart may have assembled your particular bicycle "well enough" for you,
but that does not mean that this is universally true. Department store
bikes are generally assembled in much less time than a bike store bike. I
have seen the results of sloppy assembly, and it is not pretty: handlebars
that pull easily out of the frame while riding, forks installed backwards,
brake pads aligned with the tires or spokes rather than the rims, inoperable
shifters, components so out-of-adjustment that the bearings have fallen out,
etc.

On top of this, stores like WalMart are not necessarily concerned if they
make money on a particular item. They may be happy to sell something at a
loss if it means that traffic in their store is increased allowing them to
sell more of other, more profitable items.

Todd Kuzma
Heron Bicycles
Tullio's Big Dog Cyclery
LaSalle, IL
http://www.heronbicycles.com/
http://www.tullios.com/

Bill Davidson <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<uMtSc.31369$Uh.21666@fed1read02>...

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The "classic" looks like a Stingray. The others don't.

Indeed.

As a kid in the late 70's my brother and I both had stingrays. We had
great times on those bikes. It was cool to have a tall orange flag on
the rear seat post. Bad ass kids tilted the handle bars way far
forward and gave the seat an extreme downward or upward tilt. This was
the shizzle until bmx bikes with fiberglass wheels came out then the
stingray w/bannana seat was no longer cool.

"Callistus Valerius" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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It's the weirdest thing, it has a motorcycle wheel and tire on the back and
it weighs a ton.

http://www.schwinnstingray.com/

Has schwinn ever made anything any good? Schwinn is just a cheep bike company that
makes poor decisions.