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    From: "Robert Cohen" <notmilk@e...>
    Date: Sat Sep 18, 2004 10:31 am
    Subject: Another Reason to Immediately Stop Consuming Dairy

    Another Reason to Immediately Stop Consuming Dairy

    There is a new plague, and it may soon be thriving
    in your bloodstream, and you'll never again for the
    rest of your life have a normal bowel movement. You
    can become infected by drinking just one glass of
    milk, or by swallowing your next bite of cheese.

    Scare tactics or real science? Let's put it this
    way. Don't read the rest of this column, and ignore
    my advice, and you can still cash in on a $1 coupon
    offer by visiting this website:

    http://www.depend.com

    The September issue of a most esteemed British
    medical journal, The Lancet (364: 1039-44), confirms
    that the blood from Crohn's patients is teeming
    with bacteria (mycobacterium paratuberculosis)
    that cause irritable bowels and worse.

    Dirty disgusting dangerous pathogens from diseased
    animals pass directly to you from their tainted
    body fluids. Concentrated in the cheese and ice cream.
    Is it worth the risk to continue eating such toxic
    disease-bearing food?

    In their study, scientists at the Department of Molecular
    Biology and Microbiology at the University of Central
    Florida cultured mycobacterium paratuberculosis directly
    from the blood of patients suffering from Crohn's Disease.
    Data from their experiment suggest that this bacterium
    may very well be the cause of Crohn's Disease.

    So, what else is new? We've been making that same claim,
    based upon scientific evidence, since June of 1998:

    <http://www.notmilk.com/hs/062898.txt >

    How many people with irritable bowels, ulcerative colitis,
    and Crohn's Disease would have been spared a lifetime of
    suffering, had the truth been released to all people eight
    years ago? The most painful part of this unprecedented
    conspiracy of silence is that gastroenterologists knew the
    truth, but remained mute. So too did the folks at USDA. Of
    course, this bacterium is the biggest fear of America's
    dairy industry. They knew, and continued to poison trusting
    Americans.

    Numbers do not lie. In September of 1996, the Proceedings
    for the National Academy of Sciences reported in their journal:

    "Mycobacterium paratuberculosis RNA was found in 100%
    of Crohn's disease patients, compared with 0% of controls."

    The most serious bacterial disease of cows is caused by
    mycobacterium paratuberculosis. Mycobacterium paratuberculosis
    causes a bovine disease called "Johne's." Cows diagnosed with
    Johne's Disease have diarrhea and heavy fecal shedding of
    bacteria. This bacteria becomes cultured in milk and is not
    destroyed by pasteurization. Occasionally, the milk borne
    bacteria will begin to grow in the human host, and irritable
    bowel syndrome and Crohn's results.

    How long has the scientific establishment known about this
    horror story? In 1992, the Journal of Clinical Microbiology
    (1992;30(12):3070-3073) reported:

    "It is reasonable to conjecture that M. paratuberculosis
    may be responsible for some cases of Crohn's disease."

    Is there proof that dairy farmers knew? On January 24, 1995,
    Hoard's Dairyman, the national dairy farmers magazine, revealed:

    "Johne's disease and Crohn's disease are remarkably similar
    in clinical signs and intestinal pathology."

    In February of 1998, a study performed by J. Hermon-Taylor
    and published in the British Medical Journal revealed:

    "Mycobacterium Paratuberculosis crosses the species
    barrier to infect and cause disease in humans."

    Why didn't you know this? Because...your doctor did not
    tell you. He or she reads medical journals. Was there
    not an obligation to inform patients? Keeping people
    sick is certainly good for business.

    Does pasteurization destroy mycobacterium paratuberculosis?
    Not on your life. The March, 1998 issue of Applied
    Environmental Microbiology revealed:

    "Mycobacterium paratuberculosis is capable of surviving
    commercial pasteurization, when there are more than 10
    bacteria per milliliter in raw milk."

    In her "Ministry of Healing," Ellen G. White wrote
    (page 271):

    "In order to have good health, we must have good blood;
    for the blood is the current of life. It repairs waste
    and nourishes the body. When supplied with the proper
    food elements and when cleansed and vitalized by contact
    with pure air, it carries life and vigor to every part
    of the system."

    White wrote about diet's role in maintaining good
    blood. She never suspected that human blood could
    become contaminated by a bacterial infection.

    Bacteria in the bloodstream? Your kids? Your family?
    Your friends? You? Before it's too late, take the advice
    of a man who was once chief of pediatrics at Johns Hopkins
    Medical College. Long before he knew of the Crohn's
    connection, Dr. Frank Oski wrote a book with this title:

    "Don't Drink Your Milk!"

    Robert Cohen
    http://www.notmilk.com

  2. There is ultra-pasturized milk which is fully sterilized
    so that should be safer.
    And yogurt which contains live flora has been shown
    to greatly reduce the Helibactor pylori loads in
    the stomach..

    The observation of the organism in the bloodstream
    maybe the effect not the cause of the disease process
    which even if true isn't good, either.

    Now, I'll go eat a bowl of yogurt with fruit:-)

    "One man's meat is another man poison"

    Quoted message said:

    "Ron" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    From: "Robert Cohen" <notmilk@e...>
    Date: Sat Sep 18, 2004 10:31 am
    Subject: Another Reason to Immediately Stop Consuming Dairy

    Another Reason to Immediately Stop Consuming Dairy

    Quoted message said:


    The September issue of a most esteemed British
    medical journal, The Lancet (364: 1039-44), confirms
    that the blood from Crohn's patients is teeming
    with bacteria (mycobacterium paratuberculosis)
    that cause irritable bowels and worse.

    Quoted message said:

    In their study, scientists at the Department of Molecular


    Biology and Microbiology at the University of Central
    Florida cultured mycobacterium paratuberculosis directly
    from the blood of patients suffering from Crohn's Disease.
    Data from their experiment suggest that this bacterium
    may very well be the cause of Crohn's Disease.

  3. "Ron" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

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    From: "Robert Cohen" <notmilk@e...>
    Date: Sat Sep 18, 2004 10:31 am
    Subject: Another Reason to Immediately Stop Consuming Dairy

    yawn, same old story but still no evidence,

    It looks as if the best reason for drinking milk is that hysteria seems to
    grab those who avoid it

    Jim Webster

  4. "Ron" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    .

    From: "Robert Cohen" <notmilk@e...>
    Date: Sat Sep 18, 2004 10:31 am
    Subject: Another Reason to Immediately Stop Consuming Dairy

    Another Reason to Immediately Stop Consuming Dairy

    There is a new plague, and it may soon be thriving
    in your bloodstream, and you'll never again for the
    rest of your life have a normal bowel movement. You
    can become infected by drinking just one glass of
    milk, or by swallowing your next bite of cheese.

    Pasturized milk has been around since the days of Pasteur, before WWII.

    I doubt very much that this "new" plague is just suddenly showing up.

    Quoted message said:

    Scare tactics or real science?

    Scare tactics.

    (...)

    Jeff

  5. Am J Gastroenterol. 2004 Aug;99(8):1539-43. Related Articles, Links

    Bacterial DNA within granulomas of patients with Crohn's disease--detection
    by laser capture microdissection and PCR.

    Ryan P, Kelly RG, Lee G, Collins JK, O'Sullivan GC, O'Connell J, Shanahan F.

    Alimentary Pharmabiotic Centre; and Departments of Medicine, Histopathology,
    Microbiology, and Surgery, University College Cork, National University of
    Ireland, Ireland.

    OBJECTIVES: We previously reported the use of laser capture microdissection
    (LCM) and PCR to detect the presence of Mycobacterium paratuberculosis DNA
    in granulomas of patients with Crohn's disease. While this does not imply a
    cause-effect relationship, it may influence the disease process because
    bacterial DNA has immunomodulatory effects. The aim of this study was to
    determine whether DNA from nonmycobacterial commensals, such as Escherichia
    coli, is also increased in the granulomas of Crohn's disease. METHODS:
    Archival tissue from 15 surgical cases of Crohn's disease and 10 non-Crohn's
    granulomatous bowel disease controls were examined. Granulomas were isolated
    using LCM, and the extracted DNA was examined for presence of E. coli DNA by
    nested PCR amplification of a 135 base-pair segment of the uidA gene.
    RESULTS: E. coli DNA was detected in microdissected granulomas in 12/15
    Crohn's disease patients and in 1/10 non-Crohn's control granulomas (p <
    0.001). Also, E. coli DNA was detected in 8/15 Crohn's full-thickness
    sections and in 4/10 control full-thickness sections. CONCLUSIONS: E. coli
    DNA may be detected more frequently in Crohn's granulomas than in other
    non-Crohn's bowel granulomas. This may indicate a tendency for lumenal
    bacteria to colonize inflamed tissue, or may be due to increased uptake of
    bacterial DNA by gut antigen presenting cells. In light of previous
    detection of M. paratuberculosis DNA in Crohn's granulomas, the nonspecific
    nature of the type of bacterial DNA present in granulomas is evidence
    against any one bacterium having a significant causative role in Crohn's
    disease. Copyright 2004 American College of Gastroenterology

    PMID: 15307874 [PubMed - in process]

  6. John Que <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    There is ultra-pasturized milk which is fully sterilized
    so that should be safer.

    Ugh!

    I'll just carry on drinking unpasteurised milk straight from the bulk
    tank, just like 99.99% of dairy farmers and their staff do.

    Does that tell you something?

    --
    Oz
    This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious.

    BTOPENWORLD address about to cease. DEMON address no longer in use.

    Quoted message said:
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    [email hidden] still functions.

  7. "Oz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    John Que <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    There is ultra-pasturized milk which is fully sterilized
    so that should be safer.

    Ugh!

    I'll just carry on drinking unpasteurised milk straight from the bulk
    tank, just like 99.99% of dairy farmers and their staff do.

    Does that tell you something?


    Oz

    You and I are immune to a great many things that folks in the city are not
    because they have been raised in an environment that they are not exposed to
    the germs in childhood. If you notice the stockman that has cattle with e.
    coli:h157 never gets the disease but a kid from the city can catch it just
    from walking across the dairy. You and I have at one time or another been
    covered in manure and inhaled it as areoles and are no worse for it. I
    expect that the USA is more subscribe to milk born disease than the UK
    because we have had pasteurized milk so much longer and raw milk is very
    difficult to get. Even thought we have lower Bang's and TB in the herd than
    the UK because we have lower stocking densities for the calves. Or at least
    that is what I think. Neither one of us is like to be rid of either one in
    the near future. I can find you references on that in the merging diseases
    mailing list.

    The link between Johne's can Chrone's disease is a thin one at best. The
    cause of Chrone's and IBS in humans is far from a solved problem. A pilot
    program with 14 subjects Chrone's and IBS got remissions in almost all of
    them by dosing them with pin worm larva from swine every three week with no
    side effects. The worms from pigs will not set up house keeping in humans.
    The contention of that group is that IBS and Chrone's is an over active
    immune system that is attacking the bowel when there are no nematodes
    present. It fits better than that Johne's as a cause as immune system
    suppression has been the gold standard treatment for years. I have been
    following IBS and Chrone's for years. Thirty years ago I had a 3 week bought
    of IBS and it is a pretty serious disease. If you can't get it under control
    it doesn't take long to kill you.

    Milk is one of the safest foods in the western world. People with
    compromised immune systems have a unique problem. A trip to the salad bar is
    like a game of Russian roulette for you or I. They are breeding a super
    malaria and TB that may be a real problem in the very near future. We may
    get real serious about mosquito control if we get multidrug resistant
    Malaria back in the USA and th EU.

    The group use pin worms from swine rather than a human nematode that causes
    minimal problems becuse it requires treatment every 3 weeks and a human
    nematode would only take one treatment every 1 to 3 year and be a lot less
    profitable.
    --
    Gordon

    Gordon Couger
    Stillwater, OK
    www.couger.com/gcouger

  8. Gordon Couger <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    Oz

    You and I are immune to a great many things that folks in the city are not
    because they have been raised in an environment that they are not exposed to
    the germs in childhood. If you notice the stockman that has cattle with e.
    coli:h157 never gets the disease but a kid from the city can catch it just
    from walking across the dairy.

    Of course, but remember I was reared in the middle of london until I was
    22. I'm not suggesting unpasteurised milk would be a good thing to sell
    all over the country, it wouldn't keep as well for one thing, but I am
    suggesting its not quite the hazard people think. 50 years ago was quite
    another matter.

    Quoted message said:

    You and I have at one time or another been
    covered in manure and inhaled it as aerosols and are no worse for it.

    Please don't remind me ....
    And NEVER mention slurry irrigation.

    Quoted message said:

    The link between Johne's can Chrone's disease is a thin one at best. The
    cause of Chrone's and IBS in humans is far from a solved problem. A pilot
    program with 14 subjects Chrone's and IBS got remissions in almost all of
    them by dosing them with pin worm larva from swine every three week with no
    side effects. The worms from pigs will not set up house keeping in humans.
    The contention of that group is that IBS and Chrone's is an over active
    immune system that is attacking the bowel when there are no nematodes
    present. It fits better than that Johne's as a cause as immune system
    suppression has been the gold standard treatment for years. I have been
    following IBS and Chrone's for years. Thirty years ago I had a 3 week bought
    of IBS and it is a pretty serious disease. If you can't get it under control
    it doesn't take long to kill you.

    Noted. There have been programs to this effect on TV.

    --
    Oz
    This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious.

    BTOPENWORLD address about to cease. DEMON address no longer in use.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Use [email hidden]<<


    [email hidden] still functions.

  9. "Oz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    John Que <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    There is ultra-pasturized milk which is fully sterilized
    so that should be safer.

    Ugh!

    I'll just carry on drinking unpasteurised milk straight from the bulk
    tank, just like 99.99% of dairy farmers and their staff do.

    Does that tell you something?

    Indeed it does. And so does the complete name of the microbe in question.
    It's Mycobacterium avium, ssp. paratuberculosis. It was first indentified in
    birds, and is ubiquitous in the environment. It has been cultured from
    potable (drinking) water, for example. It's everywhere. Blaming cows milk as
    a sole source is either a political act, or a naive one.

    Lar

  10. "The observation of the organism in the bloodstream may be the effect not the
    cause of the disease process (crohns).
    What horrible misinformation from the British medical journal, the Lancet.
    Before long, the only choices left to eat will be McDonalds, and I guess they
    better discontinue their milkshakes.
    A world without milk, well, there is always wine.

    Gail

  11. Can't cut and paste but wish to respond to Gordon Couger's post.
    One more opportunity to speak of the cause of crohns. Nothing to do with MAP,
    genetics, animals, except the human kind.
    Humans are not infallible and do not always consider the seemingly impossible.
    Well, crohns has an improbable cause and is manmade.
    Read my layman's theory on the cause of crohns and you can consider it gospel,
    because tho unpublished it just happens to be one of the mysteries of life and
    true.
    The sooner revealed, the sooner the Plague will diminish at least.
    Website is
    http://ascc.healingwell.com/info/gailfaq.htm
    Read a reply to MAP studies on Alt.crohns-colitis newsgroup entitled "Plague"
    Strange and almost unbelievable, illogical, weird, stupid, all that is crohns
    and the cause is no better.
    Also natural herbs with natural stimulants can cause crohns as can Xanax,
    Buspar, Depakote, Flexeril, kava kava, st johns wort, etc etc. etc.
    The flouishing business of stimulants are the cause and anti-depressants the
    major offender.
    If you must have an anti-depressant, try
    Damitol, guaranteed to ease the suffering.

    Gail Michael
    Disgusting and CRIMINAL is the time and resources used for pursuing MAP and
    other useless pursuits.

  12. Sorry, the title of the post on Alt.support.crohns-colitis is
    "Clear: bacteria link to Crohn's"
    What a peaceful world this can be from crohns for many.
    Gail

  13. On 9/20/04 2:56 AM, in article t2w3d.47466$OZ6.23896@okepread06, "Gordon

    Couger said:


    You and I are immune to a great many things that folks in the city are not
    because they have been raised in an environment that they are not exposed to
    the germs in childhood. If you notice the stockman that has cattle with e.
    coli:h157 never gets the disease but a kid from the city can catch it just
    from walking across the dairy. You and I have at one time or another been
    covered in manure and inhaled it as areoles and are no worse for it. I
    expect that the USA is more subscribe to milk born disease than the UK
    because we have had pasteurized milk so much longer and raw milk is very
    difficult to get. Even thought we have lower Bang's and TB in the herd than
    the UK because we have lower stocking densities for the calves. Or at least
    that is what I think. Neither one of us is like to be rid of either one in
    the near future. I can find you references on that in the merging diseases
    mailing list.

    I read awhile back that it's good for kids to have pets. There seems to
    be a link between a lack of pets and asthma. It's something about a lack of
    germs and an under active immune system, I think.

    Dean

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