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  1. You can easily identify them with their irrational criticism of Lance Armstrong. I've been dealing
    with such people for the last little while, and it's been sort of amusing to counter every single
    one of their arguments, but it's gotten tiresome and even dangerous recently.

    The subject is usually introduced by the use of the term "The American" to describe Armstrong.
    Once, I responded with: "You think Tyler Hamilton will win," but the guy didn't understand me,
    because I used the English pronounciation. This is actually important, because if you, at any
    time, use American pronounciation for an American name, e.g., Richard Gere (hard "g", the French
    use the soft "j" pronounciation, one famous 'serious' journalist, Cristine Ockrent, was surprised
    that Gere walked out of her interview, saying that maybe he was annoyed at the fact that she
    didn't use their pronounciation, apparently is pronounced with a hard g over there), then you are
    for all time considered American, in the sense that you have all their values, you have no ties to
    France, etc., etc.

    Then the person will usually try to imply that Armstrong is doped up due to his cancer, one guy
    continually used the annoying term "robocop" when referring to Armstrong. Of course they have no
    evidence to back this up. The weirdest thing about this is that these people also worship Richard
    Virenque, doper #1 who was the object of ridicule on French TV for the whole of 1998-99. I suppose
    that they would defend their stance by saying that Virenque finally admitted his sins, but what
    about Jalabert then?

    Yesterday was particularly bad, because I almost ended up getting beaten up by an ex-racer who was
    singularly anti-Armstrong. Consistent with his middle age, his hero was Hinault, whom he claimed was
    better than Armstrong, because he could have won a 6th Tour, if it wasn't for his promise to
    teammate Greg Lemond. I responded by saying that Hinault could have won 4 tours if he wasn't
    teammates with Greg Lemond, and later asked him why Hinault attacked Lemond at the end of the 86
    Tour if he was so true to his word. He responded by saying that Armstrong had hired Heras to prevent
    him from winning the Tour, and I pointed out that in the 2002 Tour, Heras rode a total of about 5km
    for Armstrong, and the rest of the time was on his wheel. About this time, he started telling me I
    was "a real American", and things started degenerating. The weirdest part about this is that he was
    riding a Cannondale. Oh, I think the problems started when he mentioned that he had done the
    centenary parade on the Champs Elysees as 1961 Anquetil winner, and I told him that if I had been
    him, I would have started racing with some other winner, e.g., Hinault, and it dawned on him that I
    could think up something he couldn't...

    Another time, some guy, also an ex high category racer, told me his cancer was due to doping, and I
    explained to him that there can be no way to assert this, so he just had to take it, especially
    given the fact that I was the one who had written papers on probability theory, so knew what I was
    talking about.

    So, I always end up winning the arguments, but there was an interesting twist today. I once went to
    my wife's workplace and one of her colleagues is the bike fan who called Armstrong "that American."
    Anyway, since I shut him up with my correct argumentation, he had to take it out on her when I
    wasn't around. Of course, Armstrong was doped. His explanation: since he only has one testicle, he
    gets extra testosterone shots, with medical consent. Of course, he doesn't know that the only rider
    with legal above legal testosterone is Botero, but I wasn't around to point that out. He also said
    that the reason that Armstrong can't stand the heat is that this is a symptom of people undergoing
    hormone treatments. Armstrong won the 2002 Dauphine Libere in extreme heat in a lone breakaway, but
    I wasn't around to point that out either. Then he said that he thought that Ullrich was really
    great, but this time my wife had the presence of mind to point out that it was Ullrich who tested
    positive and got fired from his team. Needless to say, Richard Virenque is his hero.

    This even came out on Television. Every morning during the Tour, people can ask questions to a
    celebrity, and one time it was Jean-Marie Leblanc who was asked by some woman: "Can anyone stop this
    diabolical Armstrong?" Well, he didn't beat around the bush and immediately jumped on the word
    "diabolical" by saying: "surely, you can't mean that in a negative sense. Armstrong is the hardest
    working rider in bike racing, has the most rigorous training methods, etc." I guess that in his
    position, he has to deal with these morons all the time.

    -ilan

  2. "Ilan Vardi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    <irrational French stuff snipped>

    France, the birthplace of democracy, is home to a very proud people and have a difficult time
    accepting the fact that their country is not really that important to the rest of the world anymore.

    The French legislature does things like sets a minimum amount of foreign (American) content that can
    be shown on French TV. They wouldn't have to do that if French programming was more compelling - it
    is but one of many events that illustrates the frustration that the French have with the declining
    significance of their culture.

    Lance Armstrong is going to be a lightning rod for certain Frenchmen who have this cultural
    inferiority complex because:

    1) he is from the US, the current superpower
    2) he is an American who wins the French Tour, one that hasn't been one by a Frenchman in 18 years
    even though the race is their pride and joy

    The French can make the arguable notion that Paris is the most beautiful city in the world and
    that they host the world's biggest bike race. Beyond that, what does this proud culture have to
    hang its hat on?

    Mix the pride in with that void and the result is some questionable behavior. Robespierre's head is
    but a rapidly vanishing wisp.

  3. the question of dope has not been raised with Armstrong, and not only in cyclism.

    when Riis won the tour all the press in danemark said he was doped. it was the same here with
    Anquetil , Hinault, Zidane in soccer, etc...

    thinking that american riders are the only one that are suspiciously questionned about dope
    is paranoia.

    "Ilan Vardi" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    You can easily identify them with their irrational criticism of Lance Armstrong. I've been dealing
    with such people for the last little while, and it's been sort of amusing to counter every single
    one of their


    arguments,

    Quoted message said:

    but it's gotten tiresome and even dangerous recently.

    The subject is usually introduced by the use of the term "The American" to describe Armstrong.
    Once, I responded with: "You think Tyler Hamilton will win," but the guy didn't understand me,
    because I used the English pronounciation. This is actually important, because if you, at any
    time, use American pronounciation for an American name, e.g., Richard Gere (hard "g", the French
    use the soft "j" pronounciation, one famous 'serious' journalist, Cristine Ockrent, was surprised
    that Gere walked out of her interview, saying that maybe he was annoyed at the fact that she
    didn't use their pronounciation, apparently is pronounced with a hard g over there), then you are
    for all time considered American, in the sense that you have all their values, you have no ties to
    France, etc., etc.

    Then the person will usually try to imply that Armstrong is doped up due to his cancer, one guy
    continually used the annoying term "robocop" when referring to Armstrong. Of course they have no
    evidence to back this up. The weirdest thing about this is that these people also worship Richard
    Virenque, doper #1 who was the object of ridicule on French TV for the whole of 1998-99. I suppose
    that they would defend their stance by saying that Virenque finally admitted his sins, but what
    about Jalabert then?

    Yesterday was particularly bad, because I almost ended up getting beaten up by an ex-racer who was
    singularly anti-Armstrong. Consistent with his middle age, his hero was Hinault, whom he claimed
    was better than Armstrong, because he could have won a 6th Tour, if it wasn't for his promise to
    teammate Greg Lemond. I responded by saying that Hinault could have won 4 tours if he wasn't
    teammates with Greg Lemond, and later asked him why Hinault attacked Lemond at the end of the 86
    Tour if he was so true to his word. He responded by saying that Armstrong had hired Heras to
    prevent him from winning the Tour, and I pointed out that in the 2002 Tour, Heras rode a total of
    about 5km for Armstrong, and the rest of the time was on his wheel. About this time, he started
    telling me I was "a real American", and things started degenerating. The weirdest part about this
    is that he was riding a Cannondale. Oh, I think the problems started when he mentioned that he had
    done the centenary parade on the Champs Elysees as 1961 Anquetil winner, and I told him that if I
    had been him, I would have started racing with some other winner, e.g., Hinault, and it dawned on
    him that I could think up something he couldn't...

    Another time, some guy, also an ex high category racer, told me his cancer was due to doping, and
    I explained to him that there can be no way to assert this, so he just had to take it, especially
    given the fact that I was the one who had written papers on probability theory, so knew what I was
    talking about.

    So, I always end up winning the arguments, but there was an interesting twist today. I once went
    to my wife's workplace and one of her colleagues is the bike fan who called Armstrong "that
    American." Anyway, since I shut him up with my correct argumentation, he had to take it out on
    her when I wasn't around. Of course, Armstrong was doped. His explanation: since he only has one
    testicle, he gets extra testosterone shots, with medical consent. Of course, he doesn't know that
    the only rider with legal above legal testosterone is Botero, but I wasn't around to point that
    out. He also said that the reason that Armstrong can't stand the heat is that this is a symptom
    of people undergoing hormone treatments. Armstrong won the 2002 Dauphine Libere in extreme heat
    in a lone breakaway, but I wasn't around to point that out either. Then he said that he thought
    that Ullrich was really great, but this time my wife had the presence of mind to point out that
    it was Ullrich who tested positive and got fired from his team. Needless to say, Richard Virenque
    is his hero.

    This even came out on Television. Every morning during the Tour, people can ask questions to a
    celebrity, and one time it was Jean-Marie Leblanc who was asked by some woman: "Can anyone stop
    this diabolical Armstrong?" Well, he didn't beat around the bush and immediately jumped on the
    word "diabolical" by saying: "surely, you can't mean that in a negative sense. Armstrong is the
    hardest working rider in bike racing, has the most rigorous training methods, etc." I guess that
    in his position, he has to deal with these morons all the time.

    -ilan

  4. We're on the same wavelength. I like living in France, and French people, but ever since I stood
    next to a bunch of them booing Armstrong and the USPS car when it passed on the Champs several years
    ago, I've been severely PO'ed about this. IMO, it's was stirred up by the newspapers (L'Equipe
    especially) as a way to sell papers. Scandals make good headlines. It has been getting better, but
    there are still a bunch of connards who pfff Armstrong for doping (no evidence) and think the sun
    shines out of Virenque's butt. The folks I work with at least no longer say that [censored] around me.
    They've got nothing to back it up with, just French cynicism.

    Well if we change the old adage "Living well is the best revenge" a bit, we can say "Winning is the
    best revenge". They can gripe all they want. He's got five and looks good for six!

    "Ilan Vardi" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    You can easily identify them with their irrational criticism of Lance Armstrong. I've been dealing
    with such people for the last little while, and it's been sort of amusing to counter every single
    one of their


    arguments,

    Quoted message said:

    but it's gotten tiresome and even dangerous recently.

    The subject is usually introduced by the use of the term "The American" to describe Armstrong.
    Once, I responded with: "You think Tyler Hamilton will win," but the guy didn't understand me,
    because I used the English pronounciation. This is actually important, because if you, at any
    time, use American pronounciation for an American name, e.g., Richard Gere (hard "g", the French
    use the soft "j" pronounciation, one famous 'serious' journalist, Cristine Ockrent, was surprised
    that Gere walked out of her interview, saying that maybe he was annoyed at the fact that she
    didn't use their pronounciation, apparently is pronounced with a hard g over there), then you are
    for all time considered American, in the sense that you have all their values, you have no ties to
    France, etc., etc.

    Then the person will usually try to imply that Armstrong is doped up due to his cancer, one guy
    continually used the annoying term "robocop" when referring to Armstrong. Of course they have no
    evidence to back this up. The weirdest thing about this is that these people also worship Richard
    Virenque, doper #1 who was the object of ridicule on French TV for the whole of 1998-99. I suppose
    that they would defend their stance by saying that Virenque finally admitted his sins, but what
    about Jalabert then?

    Yesterday was particularly bad, because I almost ended up getting beaten up by an ex-racer who was
    singularly anti-Armstrong. Consistent with his middle age, his hero was Hinault, whom he claimed
    was better than Armstrong, because he could have won a 6th Tour, if it wasn't for his promise to
    teammate Greg Lemond. I responded by saying that Hinault could have won 4 tours if he wasn't
    teammates with Greg Lemond, and later asked him why Hinault attacked Lemond at the end of the 86
    Tour if he was so true to his word. He responded by saying that Armstrong had hired Heras to
    prevent him from winning the Tour, and I pointed out that in the 2002 Tour, Heras rode a total of
    about 5km for Armstrong, and the rest of the time was on his wheel. About this time, he started
    telling me I was "a real American", and things started degenerating. The weirdest part about this
    is that he was riding a Cannondale. Oh, I think the problems started when he mentioned that he had
    done the centenary parade on the Champs Elysees as 1961 Anquetil winner, and I told him that if I
    had been him, I would have started racing with some other winner, e.g., Hinault, and it dawned on
    him that I could think up something he couldn't...

    Another time, some guy, also an ex high category racer, told me his cancer was due to doping, and
    I explained to him that there can be no way to assert this, so he just had to take it, especially
    given the fact that I was the one who had written papers on probability theory, so knew what I was
    talking about.

    So, I always end up winning the arguments, but there was an interesting twist today. I once went
    to my wife's workplace and one of her colleagues is the bike fan who called Armstrong "that
    American." Anyway, since I shut him up with my correct argumentation, he had to take it out on
    her when I wasn't around. Of course, Armstrong was doped. His explanation: since he only has one
    testicle, he gets extra testosterone shots, with medical consent. Of course, he doesn't know that
    the only rider with legal above legal testosterone is Botero, but I wasn't around to point that
    out. He also said that the reason that Armstrong can't stand the heat is that this is a symptom
    of people undergoing hormone treatments. Armstrong won the 2002 Dauphine Libere in extreme heat
    in a lone breakaway, but I wasn't around to point that out either. Then he said that he thought
    that Ullrich was really great, but this time my wife had the presence of mind to point out that
    it was Ullrich who tested positive and got fired from his team. Needless to say, Richard Virenque
    is his hero.

    This even came out on Television. Every morning during the Tour, people can ask questions to a
    celebrity, and one time it was Jean-Marie Leblanc who was asked by some woman: "Can anyone stop
    this diabolical Armstrong?" Well, he didn't beat around the bush and immediately jumped on the
    word "diabolical" by saying: "surely, you can't mean that in a negative sense. Armstrong is the
    hardest working rider in bike racing, has the most rigorous training methods, etc." I guess that
    in his position, he has to deal with these morons all the time.

    -ilan

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  5. I sympathize, but pardon my French: Keep in mind not to commit the same error by implying, that
    "morons are they all".

    Thomas Lund

    "Ilan Vardi" <[email hidden]> skrev i en meddelelse
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    You can easily identify them with their irrational criticism of Lance Armstrong. I've been dealing
    with such people for the last little while, and it's been sort of amusing to counter every single
    one of their


    arguments,

    Quoted message said:

    but it's gotten tiresome and even dangerous recently.

    The subject is usually introduced by the use of the term "The American" to describe Armstrong.
    Once, I responded with: "You think Tyler Hamilton will win," but the guy didn't understand me,
    because I used the English pronounciation. This is actually important, because if you, at any
    time, use American pronounciation for an American name, e.g., Richard Gere (hard "g", the French
    use the soft "j" pronounciation, one famous 'serious' journalist, Cristine Ockrent, was surprised
    that Gere walked out of her interview, saying that maybe he was annoyed at the fact that she
    didn't use their pronounciation, apparently is pronounced with a hard g over there), then you are
    for all time considered American, in the sense that you have all their values, you have no ties to
    France, etc., etc.

    Then the person will usually try to imply that Armstrong is doped up due to his cancer, one guy
    continually used the annoying term "robocop" when referring to Armstrong. Of course they have no
    evidence to back this up. The weirdest thing about this is that these people also worship Richard
    Virenque, doper #1 who was the object of ridicule on French TV for the whole of 1998-99. I suppose
    that they would defend their stance by saying that Virenque finally admitted his sins, but what
    about Jalabert then?

    Yesterday was particularly bad, because I almost ended up getting beaten up by an ex-racer who was
    singularly anti-Armstrong. Consistent with his middle age, his hero was Hinault, whom he claimed
    was better than Armstrong, because he could have won a 6th Tour, if it wasn't for his promise to
    teammate Greg Lemond. I responded by saying that Hinault could have won 4 tours if he wasn't
    teammates with Greg Lemond, and later asked him why Hinault attacked Lemond at the end of the 86
    Tour if he was so true to his word. He responded by saying that Armstrong had hired Heras to
    prevent him from winning the Tour, and I pointed out that in the 2002 Tour, Heras rode a total of
    about 5km for Armstrong, and the rest of the time was on his wheel. About this time, he started
    telling me I was "a real American", and things started degenerating. The weirdest part about this
    is that he was riding a Cannondale. Oh, I think the problems started when he mentioned that he had
    done the centenary parade on the Champs Elysees as 1961 Anquetil winner, and I told him that if I
    had been him, I would have started racing with some other winner, e.g., Hinault, and it dawned on
    him that I could think up something he couldn't...

    Another time, some guy, also an ex high category racer, told me his cancer was due to doping, and
    I explained to him that there can be no way to assert this, so he just had to take it, especially
    given the fact that I was the one who had written papers on probability theory, so knew what I was
    talking about.

    So, I always end up winning the arguments, but there was an interesting twist today. I once went
    to my wife's workplace and one of her colleagues is the bike fan who called Armstrong "that
    American." Anyway, since I shut him up with my correct argumentation, he had to take it out on
    her when I wasn't around. Of course, Armstrong was doped. His explanation: since he only has one
    testicle, he gets extra testosterone shots, with medical consent. Of course, he doesn't know that
    the only rider with legal above legal testosterone is Botero, but I wasn't around to point that
    out. He also said that the reason that Armstrong can't stand the heat is that this is a symptom
    of people undergoing hormone treatments. Armstrong won the 2002 Dauphine Libere in extreme heat
    in a lone breakaway, but I wasn't around to point that out either. Then he said that he thought
    that Ullrich was really great, but this time my wife had the presence of mind to point out that
    it was Ullrich who tested positive and got fired from his team. Needless to say, Richard Virenque
    is his hero.

    This even came out on Television. Every morning during the Tour, people can ask questions to a
    celebrity, and one time it was Jean-Marie Leblanc who was asked by some woman: "Can anyone stop
    this diabolical Armstrong?" Well, he didn't beat around the bush and immediately jumped on the
    word "diabolical" by saying: "surely, you can't mean that in a negative sense. Armstrong is the
    hardest working rider in bike racing, has the most rigorous training methods, etc." I guess that
    in his position, he has to deal with these morons all the time.

    -ilan

  6. Armstrong can't be compared with Hinault, Hinault started the tour de france after have competed 100
    days in competition race in the year, Armstrong start with 20 days, and Ullrich is worse.

    "Ilan Vardi" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    You can easily identify them with their irrational criticism of Lance Armstrong. I've been dealing
    with such people for the last little while, and it's been sort of amusing to counter every single
    one of their


    arguments,

    Quoted message said:

    but it's gotten tiresome and even dangerous recently.

    The subject is usually introduced by the use of the term "The American" to describe Armstrong.
    Once, I responded with: "You think Tyler Hamilton will win," but the guy didn't understand me,
    because I used the English pronounciation. This is actually important, because if you, at any
    time, use American pronounciation for an American name, e.g., Richard Gere (hard "g", the French
    use the soft "j" pronounciation, one famous 'serious' journalist, Cristine Ockrent, was surprised
    that Gere walked out of her interview, saying that maybe he was annoyed at the fact that she
    didn't use their pronounciation, apparently is pronounced with a hard g over there), then you are
    for all time considered American, in the sense that you have all their values, you have no ties to
    France, etc., etc.

    Then the person will usually try to imply that Armstrong is doped up due to his cancer, one guy
    continually used the annoying term "robocop" when referring to Armstrong. Of course they have no
    evidence to back this up. The weirdest thing about this is that these people also worship Richard
    Virenque, doper #1 who was the object of ridicule on French TV for the whole of 1998-99. I suppose
    that they would defend their stance by saying that Virenque finally admitted his sins, but what
    about Jalabert then?

    Yesterday was particularly bad, because I almost ended up getting beaten up by an ex-racer who was
    singularly anti-Armstrong. Consistent with his middle age, his hero was Hinault, whom he claimed
    was better than Armstrong, because he could have won a 6th Tour, if it wasn't for his promise to
    teammate Greg Lemond. I responded by saying that Hinault could have won 4 tours if he wasn't
    teammates with Greg Lemond, and later asked him why Hinault attacked Lemond at the end of the 86
    Tour if he was so true to his word. He responded by saying that Armstrong had hired Heras to
    prevent him from winning the Tour, and I pointed out that in the 2002 Tour, Heras rode a total of
    about 5km for Armstrong, and the rest of the time was on his wheel. About this time, he started
    telling me I was "a real American", and things started degenerating. The weirdest part about this
    is that he was riding a Cannondale. Oh, I think the problems started when he mentioned that he had
    done the centenary parade on the Champs Elysees as 1961 Anquetil winner, and I told him that if I
    had been him, I would have started racing with some other winner, e.g., Hinault, and it dawned on
    him that I could think up something he couldn't...

    Another time, some guy, also an ex high category racer, told me his cancer was due to doping, and
    I explained to him that there can be no way to assert this, so he just had to take it, especially
    given the fact that I was the one who had written papers on probability theory, so knew what I was
    talking about.

    So, I always end up winning the arguments, but there was an interesting twist today. I once went
    to my wife's workplace and one of her colleagues is the bike fan who called Armstrong "that
    American." Anyway, since I shut him up with my correct argumentation, he had to take it out on
    her when I wasn't around. Of course, Armstrong was doped. His explanation: since he only has one
    testicle, he gets extra testosterone shots, with medical consent. Of course, he doesn't know that
    the only rider with legal above legal testosterone is Botero, but I wasn't around to point that
    out. He also said that the reason that Armstrong can't stand the heat is that this is a symptom
    of people undergoing hormone treatments. Armstrong won the 2002 Dauphine Libere in extreme heat
    in a lone breakaway, but I wasn't around to point that out either. Then he said that he thought
    that Ullrich was really great, but this time my wife had the presence of mind to point out that
    it was Ullrich who tested positive and got fired from his team. Needless to say, Richard Virenque
    is his hero.

    This even came out on Television. Every morning during the Tour, people can ask questions to a
    celebrity, and one time it was Jean-Marie Leblanc who was asked by some woman: "Can anyone stop
    this diabolical Armstrong?" Well, he didn't beat around the bush and immediately jumped on the
    word "diabolical" by saying: "surely, you can't mean that in a negative sense. Armstrong is the
    hardest working rider in bike racing, has the most rigorous training methods, etc." I guess that
    in his position, he has to deal with these morons all the time.

    -ilan

  7. "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Ilan Vardi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    <irrational French stuff snipped>

    France, the birthplace of democracy, is home to a very proud people and


    have

    Quoted message said:

    a difficult time accepting the fact that their country is not really that important to the rest of
    the world anymore.

    The French legislature does things like sets a minimum amount of foreign (American) content that
    can be shown on French TV. They wouldn't have to


    do

    Quoted message said:

    that if French programming was more compelling - it is but one of many events that illustrates the
    frustration that the French have with the declining significance of their culture.

    Lance Armstrong is going to be a lightning rod for certain Frenchmen who have this cultural
    inferiority complex because:

    1) he is from the US, the current superpower
    2) he is an American who wins the French Tour, one that hasn't been one by


    a

    Quoted message said:

    Frenchman in 18 years even though the race is their pride and joy

    The French can make the arguable notion that Paris is the most beautiful city in the world and
    that they host the world's biggest bike race. Beyond that, what does this proud culture have to
    hang its hat on?

    Mix the pride in with that void and the result is some questionable behavior. Robespierre's head
    is but a rapidly vanishing wisp.

  8. ricers like Merx, Anquetil , Indurain, Hinault, Armstrong, each nation have a single one every 10 or
    20 years, and everyone know that, so stop thinking like a paranoid idiot.

    "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Ilan Vardi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    <irrational French stuff snipped>

    France, the birthplace of democracy, is home to a very proud people and


    have

    Quoted message said:

    a difficult time accepting the fact that their country is not really that important to the rest of
    the world anymore.

    The French legislature does things like sets a minimum amount of foreign (American) content that
    can be shown on French TV. They wouldn't have to


    do

    Quoted message said:

    that if French programming was more compelling - it is but one of many events that illustrates the
    frustration that the French have with the declining significance of their culture.

    Lance Armstrong is going to be a lightning rod for certain Frenchmen who have this cultural
    inferiority complex because:

    1) he is from the US, the current superpower
    2) he is an American who wins the French Tour, one that hasn't been one by


    a

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    Frenchman in 18 years even though the race is their pride and joy

    The French can make the arguable notion that Paris is the most beautiful city in the world and
    that they host the world's biggest bike race. Beyond that, what does this proud culture have to
    hang its hat on?

    Mix the pride in with that void and the result is some questionable behavior. Robespierre's head
    is but a rapidly vanishing wisp.

  9. Kurgan Gringioni said:

    The French legislature does things like sets a minimum amount of foreign (American) content that
    can be shown on French TV. They wouldn't have to do that if French programming was more compelling
    - it is but one of many events that illustrates the frustration that the French have with the
    declining significance of their culture.

    I've got news for you, just about every country has minimum content laws for TV. Australia has it.
    American content is the cheapest to buy in the world. Why would anyone spent $400,000 per episode to
    locally produce something when they can buy American dramas, complete with jaw clenching over
    acting, for a tiny fraction of the price, if it weren't for content laws..

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    Lance Armstrong is going to be a lightning rod for certain Frenchmen who have this cultural
    inferiority complex because:

    1) he is from the US, the current superpower
    2) he is an American who wins the French Tour, one that hasn't been one by a Frenchman in 18 years
    even though the race is their pride and joy

    The definition of inferiority complex is one who knocks another country.

    GK

  10. "Laurent" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    ricers like Merx, Anquetil , Indurain, Hinault, Armstrong, each nation


    have

    Quoted message said:

    a single one every 10 or 20 years, and everyone know that, so stop


    thinking

    Quoted message said:

    like a paranoid idiot.

    Hey Smart French Guy -

    If your culture isn't insecure about itself, then why do you have legislation limiting the amount of
    foreign (American) content on TV?

  11. "g" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Kurgan Gringioni said:

    The French legislature does things like sets a minimum amount of foreign (American) content that
    can be shown on French TV. They wouldn't have to


    do

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that if French programming was more compelling - it is but one of many events that illustrates
    the frustration that the French have with the declining significance of their culture.

    I've got news for you, just about every country has minimum content laws for TV. Australia has it.
    American content is the cheapest to buy in the world. Why would anyone spent $400,000 per episode
    to locally produce something when they can buy American dramas, complete with jaw clenching over
    acting, for a tiny fraction of the price, if it weren't for content laws..

    Quoted message said:

    Lance Armstrong is going to be a lightning rod for certain Frenchmen who have this cultural
    inferiority complex because:

    1) he is from the US, the current superpower
    2) he is an American who wins the French Tour, one that hasn't been one


    by a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Frenchman in 18 years even though the race is their pride and joy

    The definition of inferiority complex is one who knocks another country.

    I'm explaining their behavior. Note that I gave them credit for being the birthplace of democracy.

    The syndrome I noted is the same one that has France demanding a prominent place in international
    relations out of proportion to any true leverage they might be able to exert, either economically or
    militarily (the real levers of power).

  12. AFAIK the legislation was for radio, not tv. There's a bunch of dubbed TV shows in France, and many
    of them German, not American.

    "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Laurent" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    ricers like Merx, Anquetil , Indurain, Hinault, Armstrong, each nation


    have

    Quoted message said:

    a single one every 10 or 20 years, and everyone know that, so stop


    thinking

    Quoted message said:

    like a paranoid idiot.

    Hey Smart French Guy -

    If your culture isn't insecure about itself, then why do you have legislation limiting the amount
    of foreign (American) content on TV?

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  13. "trg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    AFAIK the legislation was for radio, not tv.

    It's for TV too.

    Foreign shows are allowed, but only a certain percentage.

  14. ARTE/TV5 seems yo have at least 1/2 of it"s show in foreign languages.

    "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de
    "]news:[email hidden]...

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    "trg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    AFAIK the legislation was for radio, not tv.

    It's for TV too.

    Foreign shows are allowed, but only a certain percentage.

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  15. All European Union countries require at least 50 percent of television programming to be of European
    origin. Similar laws exist in Malaysia, Hungary and Poland. In Israel, Canada, France, Malaysia and
    elsewhere a certain percentage of radio content must be of local origin or in the national language.

    "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "trg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    AFAIK the legislation was for radio, not tv.

    It's for TV too.

    Foreign shows are allowed, but only a certain percentage.

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  16. "Ilan Vardi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    <snip>

    i sympathize with your having to deal with jerks but where in the world did you get the notion that
    any nation had a monopoly on nationalism and xenophobia? if anything the last few month should
    provide you with plenty of examples of widespread use of generalization and guilt by association.
    check out the new york post (for example) and you'll find plenty of it.

  17. "Laurent" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    Armstrong can't be compared with Hinault, Hinault started the tour


    de france

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    after have competed 100 days in competition race in the year,


    Armstrong

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    start with 20 days, and Ullrich is worse.

    Let me get ths straight - you are saying that Hinault won "better"? The winner is the guy with the
    best time. It doesn't matter what other races they won or competed in.

    If Hinault was racing today he would train and race exactly like Armstrong because he wanted to win
    as badly as Armstrong does. And I believe he's said so.

  18. "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

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    "Ilan Vardi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    <irrational French stuff snipped>

    France, the birthplace of democracy, is home to a very proud people and


    have

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    a difficult time accepting the fact that their country is not really that important to the rest of
    the world anymore.

    err .... it's more like they don't like being stepped on (they are not alone in this respect). don't
    you get tired of using farfetched reasons to defuse criticism of US policies

    a majority of the french are fully aware of their being a province of europe btw

    Quoted message said:


    The French legislature does things like sets a minimum amount of foreign (American) content that
    can be shown on French TV. They wouldn't have to


    do

    Quoted message said:

    that if French programming was more compelling - it is but one of many events that illustrates the
    frustration that the French have with the declining significance of their culture.

    soon you'll be telling us that mcdonald has more compelling food than a french neighborhood
    restaurant. obviously it's a much more complicated issue than you make it to be. the issue is not
    one of declining significance, it is one of not wanting to be taken over by an homogeneous corporate
    culture in the name of the bottom line (profit)

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    Lance Armstrong is going to be a lightning rod for certain Frenchmen who have this cultural
    inferiority complex because:

    wrong, if anything they have a superiority complex w.r.t. culture and it does [censored] some of them off
    to have a cowboy take over the tdf

    Quoted message said:


    1) he is from the US, the current superpower
    2) he is an American who wins the French Tour, one that hasn't been one by


    a

    Quoted message said:

    Frenchman in 18 years even though the race is their pride and joy

    i believe you got that right but note that they love lemond and hamilton

    Quoted message said:

    The French can make the arguable notion that Paris is the most beautiful city in the world and
    that they host the world's biggest bike race. Beyond that, what does this proud culture have to
    hang its hat on?

    your asking the question points to your own cultural background

  19. "g" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I've got news for you, just about every country has minimum content


    laws

    Quoted message said:

    for TV. Australia has it. American content is the cheapest to buy in


    the

    Quoted message said:

    world. Why would anyone spent $400,000 per episode to locally


    produce

    Quoted message said:

    something when they can buy American dramas, complete with jaw


    clenching

    Quoted message said:

    over acting, for a tiny fraction of the price, if it weren't for


    content

    Quoted message said:

    laws..

    Don't make me laugh. The only country that can sell TV over here besides the USA is Great Britain
    and only because they make reasonably intelligent TV (like the East Enders????)

    I think that if France had that good a programming, they could sell it here.

    If you want to see overacting you just have to watch French TV. The best thing on each evening
    was Tintin.

  20. "Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bA_Va.28325

    Quoted message said:

    If you want to see overacting you just have to watch French TV. The best thing on each evening
    was Tintin.

    would not the issue be your attention span?

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