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  1. When I post to a thread I always mark that thread as
    watched. I consider that I then have a responsibility to
    keep an eye on that thread, so that if someone responds to
    my post I am then able to reply in turn if appropriate.

    For this reason I tend to refrain from posting to helmet
    threads. I'll state from the outset that I may make an
    exception for this thread, if it degenerates into yet
    another long and futile battle in the Helmet Wars. I really
    hope it doesn't.

    Anyway, I've drafted a page with my thoughts on the debate.
    It focuses more on the characteristics of the debaters than
    on the actual content of the debate, but I think
    understanding the people you're arguing with is actually
    quite important: <url:http://www.speedy5.freeserve.co.uk/da-
    nny/cycling/ghd.html>

    Constructive criticism welcome, especially if anyone feels
    I've misrepresented the group they'd position themselves in.
    I'm particularly keen to find a less inflammatory name for
    the Informed Ignoramus - I think I had a better name when I
    first had the idea for the page, but I've forgotten it.

    --
    Danny Colyer (the UK company has been laughed out of my
    reply address)
    <url:http://www.speedy5.freeserve.co.uk/danny/> "He who
    dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine

  2. Danny Colyer <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:


    I've drafted a page with my thoughts on the debate. It
    focuses more on the characteristics of the debaters than
    on the actual content of the debate, but I think
    understanding the people you're arguing with is actually
    quite important: <url:http://www.speedy5.freeserve.co.uk/-
    danny/cycling/ghd.html>

    Constructive criticism welcome, especially if anyone
    feels I've misrepresented the group they'd position
    themselves in. I'm particularly keen to find a less
    inflammatory name for the Informed Ignoramus - I think I
    had a better name when I first had the idea for the page,
    but I've forgotten it.

    Linnaeus himself would be pleased with your classifications.
    As it happens I have self-published a monograph on the
    subject of helmets and the quality of the brains they
    purport to protect; one day I plan to make it available to
    the public, when I deem the 'common man' to be ready for my
    startling revelations. In the mean-while I shall content
    myself with relating the following anecdote:

    The former Mrs Blovius and I chose as the locus of our
    honeymoon an ill-fated tour of the west country (Dorking in
    particular), by tandem bicycle. She was at that time subject
    to a nervous condition which she later overcame thanks to
    the salubrious and bracing effect of my personality but
    which inevitably contributed to a generally disappointing
    experience awheel. My new bride insisted as a precondition
    to mounting the tandem that the captaincy be awarded to
    herself, her reasoning being that she didn't trust my skills
    in that department on the basis of a few minor skirmishes I
    had been party to during our engagement. Readers, she
    considered me un-roadworthy! This is unmitigated hogwash; I
    am perfectly capable of piloting any given vehicle on a safe
    trajectory along the Queen's Highway provided I am not
    surrounded by the phrenologically-challenged. However, in
    the spirit of marital harmony I acquiesced.

    Our 'maiden voyage' was much smoother than I anticipated,
    thanks in large measure to my expert instructions and
    helpful running commentary. All went well for several
    hundreds of feet, at which point Gertrude unexpectedly put
    an abrupt halt to our fine momentum. This not being a course
    of action I had anticipated, my normally excellent sense of
    balance vacated me. I toppled off unceremoniously, striking
    my head against my bride's whalebone corset along the way.
    She was surprisingly unapologetic, positing that not only
    had I insisted upon the garment which had just gored me but
    that I was in some sense responsible: 'too much talking and
    not enough pedalling' was how she unkindly put it whilst
    briskly attending to my flesh wound. It was then that it
    occurred to me that if only for the sake of future
    generations of scientists my head be properly swaddled in
    hardy materials.

    Ever after I have worn a helmet of my own devising,
    eschewing sissyboy foam and polystyrene in favour of
    whalebone and leather, cinched tight.

    Theodore Blovius II (esq.)

  3. Danny Colyer said:

    When I post to a thread I always mark that thread as
    watched. I consider that I then have a responsibility to
    keep an eye on that thread, so that if someone responds to
    my post I am then able to reply in turn if appropriate.

    For this reason I tend to refrain from posting to helmet
    threads. I'll state from the outset that I may make an
    exception for this thread, if it degenerates into yet
    another long and futile battle in the Helmet Wars. I
    really hope it doesn't.

    Anyway, I've drafted a page with my thoughts on the
    debate. It focuses more on the characteristics of the
    debaters than on the actual content of the debate, but I
    think understanding the people you're arguing with is
    actually quite important: <url:http://www.speedy5.freeser-
    ve.co.uk/danny/cycling/ghd.html>

    Constructive criticism welcome, especially if anyone
    feels I've misrepresented the group they'd position
    themselves in. I'm particularly keen to find a less
    inflammatory name for the Informed Ignoramus - I think I
    had a better name when I first had the idea for the page,
    but I've forgotten it.


    Anti-helmet reactionary here then :-)

    I have owned three in my lifetime. The first one (a Vetta
    thing with no plastic skin) was horribly uncomfortable. The
    second one (a Giro Air Blast) wasn't bad but melted in the
    car on a hot day. The current one (Specialized Sub 6) is the
    most uncomfortable yet. I only wear it on the track, because
    helmet compulsion has already arrived there. Being choked
    doesn't help my performance much.

  4. Quoted message said:

    Constructive criticism welcome, especially if anyone
    feels I've misrepresented the group they'd position
    themselves in.

    My sister recently told me off for not wearing a helmet (as
    it happens, I do wear one most of the time, I just didn't on
    this occasion). I reckon I'm an Informed Sceptic. My sister
    is definitely a Clueless Newbie. You will be interested to
    hear that she is also a nurse.

    d.

  5. "Sam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    commentary. All went well for several hundreds of feet, at
    which point Gertrude unexpectedly put an abrupt halt to
    our fine momentum. This not being a course of action I had
    anticipated, my normally excellent sense of balance
    vacated me. I toppled off unceremoniously, striking my
    head against my bride's whalebone corset along the way.


    ...

    Quoted message said:

    Ever after I have worn a helmet of my own devising,
    eschewing sissyboy foam and polystyrene in favour of
    whalebone and leather, cinched tight.

    Last w/e we demonstrated that helmets don't help in this
    circumstance - Sarah was sitting up navigating when some
    lambs decided to be in front of us, necessitating some
    rather sharp braking. Her helmet (we were doing off road
    stuff) hit my back, cricking her neck in a way that it
    wouldn't have without the helmet on.

    Fortunately she saw the lambs just before she hit me/her
    handlebars so I didn't get shouted at..

    cheers, clive

  6. On 6 May 2004 04:30:26 -0700 someone who may be [email hidden]
    (Sam) wrote this:-

    Quoted message said:

    Ever after I have worn a helmet of my own devising,
    eschewing sissyboy foam and polystyrene in favour of
    whalebone and leather, cinched tight.

    I like it. Pictures please:-)

    As the monograph mentions "the former Mrs Blovius"
    perhaps the helmet could be paid for by charging people
    to lace it up:-)

    --
    David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number
    F566DA0E I will always explain revoked keys, unless the UK
    government prevents me using the RIP Act 2000.

  7. Theodore, being nothing more than a man, is blessed with the
    memory of an addled sheep, but no great harm done - I am
    here to set the record straight.

    While it is true that our honeymoon in the general vicinity
    of Dorking had its moments of high and low comedy, the
    incident of the tandem fits into an entirely different
    category altogether: tragedy. Sharing a two-seater with
    Theodore is like being tied to a mast with Captain Queeg
    minus even the promise of strawberries to sweeten the deal.
    He is of the disposition that a woman does not belong in
    front (or on top, but that's another matter), and should a
    woman be so unfortunate as to reverse this natural order of
    things, he will expound on the flaws of such an arrangement
    at considerable length and volume. While it is not unhealthy
    for a man to entertain a certain sense of mastery, or even
    to have a passing fondness for ball-bearings in proper
    context, there is something to be said for the strong silent
    type. Yes, I cut our journey short, and yes, poor Theo took
    a tumble, injuring his pride more than anything. However I
    have yet to meet a whalebone corset outside of a museum; it
    perplexes me that I find myself wearing one simply to
    provide my former husband with his 'moment of inspiration'.
    What next, clipless stiletto heels?

    My less fanciful recollection is that Theo took to wearing a
    garden-variety helmet for times when he wished to pursue his
    questionable studies in the shed, a ramshackle affair far
    more dangerous than even the M25.

    (The former Mrs) Gertrude Blovius

    PS. I am at a loss why Theodore's post appears to have been
    delivered by a third party. Might this be the result of
    that new computer virus?

  8. Simon Brooke said:

    Well, you can add me as an Informed Septic. The difference
    being that where the informed sceptic thinks that helmets
    offer little positive benefit, the septic believes that on
    balance helmets are at least as likely to aggravate as to
    mitigate injury.

    I meant for the Informed Sceptic to have that opinion. I
    like your wording, I've adapted it to my own ends.

    Quoted message said:

    I thought your letter to your MP extremely clear, well
    written and persuasive.

    Thank you.

    --
    Danny Colyer (the UK company has been laughed out of my
    reply address)
    <url:http://www.speedy5.freeserve.co.uk/danny/> "He who
    dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine

  9. Theodore Blovius II (esq.) (posing as Sam) said:

    Linnaeus himself would be pleased with your
    classifications. As it happens I have self-published a
    monograph on the subject of helmets and the quality of the
    brains they purport to protect; one day I plan to make it
    available to the public, when I deem the 'common man' to
    be ready for my startling revelations.

    If you mean the piece published in the back of the April
    issue of C+ under the name of one of your alter-egos, I was
    hunting for it on Bikereader last night in the hope of
    adding a link. I enjoyed that article.

    --
    Danny Colyer (the UK company has been laughed out of my
    reply address)
    <url:http://www.speedy5.freeserve.co.uk/danny/> "He who
    dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine

  10. "davek" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:c7fhe3$15u$1
    @hercules.btinternet.com:

    Quoted message said:

    My sister is definitely a Clueless Newbie. You will be
    interested to hear that she is also a nurse.

    I suffer from a similar problem. My wife is also a nurse who
    has worked in a neuro ward in the past. "The number of
    cyclists we had in who had serious head injuries...." It
    doesn't matter how often I point out that she is not seeing
    a representative sample of the population and by definition
    will always see the worst cases (well, at least those still
    breathing). I've given up even trying now.

    Graeme

  11. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    All went well for several hundreds of feet, at which
    point Gertrude unexpectedly put an abrupt halt to our
    fine momentum. This not being a course of action I had
    anticipated, my normally excellent sense of balance
    vacated me. I toppled off unceremoniously, striking my
    head against my bride's whalebone corset along the way.

    Last w/e we demonstrated that helmets don't help in this
    circumstance - Sarah was sitting up navigating when some
    lambs decided to be in front of us, necessitating some
    rather sharp braking. Her helmet (we were doing off road
    stuff) hit my back, cricking her neck in a way that it
    wouldn't have without the helmet on.

    Fortunately she saw the lambs just before she hit me/her
    handlebars so I didn't get shouted at..


    Although I am a vegetarian and am relieved that bloodshed
    was averted, Theodore would have preferred to break out the
    mint sauce.

  12. David Hansen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Ever after I have worn a helmet of my own devising,
    eschewing sissyboy foam and polystyrene in favour of
    whalebone and leather, cinched tight.

    I like it. Pictures please:-)

    As the monograph mentions "the former Mrs Blovius"
    perhaps the helmet could be paid for by charging people
    to lace it up:-)

    My dear Mr Hansen, although it is true that Theodore
    anticipated many 'Kodak moments' as we explored our feelings
    for each-other, and was careful to pack a camera, the film
    was later confiscated by our B&B landlady in lieu of payment
    for a damaged trouser press.

    (The former Mrs Theodore) Gertrude Blovius

  13. Danny Colyer <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Theodore Blovius II (esq.) said:

    Linnaeus himself would be pleased with your
    classifications. As it happens I have self-published a
    monograph on the subject of helmets and the quality of
    the brains they purport to protect; one day I plan to
    make it available to the public, when I deem the 'common
    man' to be ready for my startling revelations.

    If you mean the piece published in the back of the April
    issue of C+ under the name of one of your alter-egos, I
    was hunting for it on Bikereader last night in the hope of
    adding a link. I enjoyed that article.

    I found myself at the website in question after accidentally
    'googling' something dreadfully inappropriate due to
    keyboard error (the cause of many heart-attacks amongst the
    elderly and well-reared, according to the British Journal of
    Medicine); the contributor roster may be long and
    occasionally illustrious, but the lapses in taste and good
    sense are equally astonishing.

    After much frustrating navigating and wincing, I located the
    relevant article here [
    bikereader.comHword.html ], lurking in an
    apparent subset of the main bikereader site devoted
    exclusively to the writings of one of the lesser lights in
    the literary firmament. This particular spider-hole is
    accessed via clicking on the recumbent gentleman
    irritatingly lounging about on the main page.

    Suffice it to say I cut, pasted, and immediately fled
    the scene.

    (the former Mrs Theodore) Gertrude Blovius

    PS. To my knowledge, Theodore's monograph remains
    unpublished because he has yet to locate a vanity press
    which will accept a manuscript in crayon. The
    illustrations alone are enough to get him listed by the
    authorities as a candidate for electronic tagging.

  14. Gertrude Blovius said:

    After much frustrating navigating and wincing, I located
    the relevant article here [
    bikereader.comHword.html ], lurking in an
    apparent subset of the main bikereader site devoted
    exclusively to the writings of one of the lesser lights in
    the literary firmament. This particular spider-hole is
    accessed via clicking on the recumbent gentleman
    irritatingly lounging about on the main page.

    Thank you Gertrude. I have added the link, and I think I may
    explore that particular spider-hole a little more.

    --
    Danny Colyer (the UK company has been laughed out of my
    reply address)
    <url:http://www.speedy5.freeserve.co.uk/danny/> "He who
    dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine

  15. Simon Brooke <[email hidden]> wrote in news:2kctm1-nvn.ln1
    @gododdin.internal.jasmine.org.uk:

    Quoted message said:

    Does she know what proportion of them were actually
    wearing helmets at the time?

    She remembers it as being very low, which she uses as part
    of her argument in favour of helmets. As this was about 13-
    15 years ago then the low proportion is probably right.

    Graeme

  16. Quoted post said:

    posted by Davek


    My sister recently told me off for not wearing a helmet (as
    it happens, I do wear one most of the time, I just didn't on
    this occasion). I reckon I'm an Informed Sceptic. My sister
    is definitely a Clueless Newbie. You will be interested to
    hear that she is also a nurse.

    Tangentally, the mention of nurse's heart bleeding wail for helmets reminds me of (this is plagiarised):

    "Consider the famous response of Goethe to the humanitarian Frau von Stein, who wrote him in 1787 exalting the moral progress of their time. "Also, I must say myself," he replied, "I think it true that humanity will triumph eventually, only I fear that at the same time the world will become a large hospital and each will become the other's humane nurse." Goethe feared a world in which the sole criterion for virtue would be solicitude for the suffering, a world in which "I feel your pain, won't you please feel mine?" would replace all more exacting--and ennobling--standards.

    And that reminds me of another quote, this time Thoreau:

    If I knew for a certainty that a man was coming to my house with the conscious design of doing me good, I should run for my life.

    Roger

  17. In message <kp9om1-
    [email hidden]>, Simon Brooke
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    Well, you can add me as an Informed Septic.

    That head injury not healed up yet?

    --
    congokid Good restaurants in London? Number one on Google
    congokid.comcongokid.com

  18. RogerDodger <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    posted by Davek My sister recently told me off for
    not wearing a helmet (as it happens, I do wear one
    most of the time, I just didn't on this occasion). I
    reckon I'm an Informed Sceptic. My sister is
    definitely a Clueless Newbie. You will be interested
    to hear that she is also a nurse.

    Tangentally, the mention of nurse's heart bleeding wail
    for helmets reminds me of (this is plagiarised):

    "Consider the famous response of Goethe to the
    humanitarian Frau von Stein, who wrote him in 1787
    exalting the moral progress of their time. "Also, I must
    say myself," he replied, "I think it true that humanity
    will triumph eventually, only I fear that at the same time
    the world will become a large hospital and each will
    become the other's humane nurse." Goethe feared a world in
    which the sole criterion for virtue would be solicitude
    for the suffering, a world in which "I feel your pain,
    won't you please feel mine?" would replace all more exacting--
    and ennobling--standards.

    And that reminds me of another quote, this time Thoreau:

    If I knew for a certainty that a man was coming to my
    house with the conscious design of doing me good, I should
    run for my life.

    Roger


    Sir! A man who can fearlessly introduce Goethe into this
    thorny topic of debate is to be reckoned with. As the
    polymath himself said just before he shuffled off this
    mortal coil, "More light!" Theodore Blovius (esq.)

  19. Theodore Blovius esq. said:


    Sir! A man who can fearlessly introduce Goethe into this
    thorny topic of debate is to be reckoned with. As the
    polymath himself said just before he shuffled off this
    mortal coil, "More light!" Theodore Blovius (esq.)

    I believe, Sir, that it was actually the rather pedestrian
    "Macht doch den zweiten Fensterladen auch auf, damit mehr
    Licht hereinkomme" (Open the second shutter, so that more
    light can come in.). However his publisher, being seduced by
    the growing fashion for soundbites, decided "Mehr Licht!"
    was a more media friendly epitaph for his great client.

    Tony

  20. Danny Colyer <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Gertrude Blovius said:

    After much frustrating navigating and wincing, I located
    the relevant article here [
    bikereader.comHword.html ], lurking in an
    apparent subset of the main bikereader site devoted
    exclusively to the writings of one of the lesser lights
    in the literary firmament. This particular spider-hole
    is accessed via clicking on the recumbent gentleman
    irritatingly lounging about on the main page.

    I have added the link, and I think I may explore
    that particular spider-hole a little more.

    Cheers, Danny. I've added a link to your site - speaking of
    which, I'm also considering taking up juggling, as it's
    something I have a little experience in.

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