The German Diesel.

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I should have kept a list of all the posters here that agreed with that "Ullrich over-rated" thread.
Phil and Paul have been predicting this situation all week, so I wasn't "shocked and awed." Just
because you take some ecstacy and drive over some bike racks doesn't mean you've lost your stuff.

I just want to know where all the naysayers are that claimed that Ullrich needed to separate himself from his entourage, Pevenage, et. al. in order to get his act together.

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I should have kept a list of all the posters here that agreed with that "Ullrich over-rated"
thread. Phil and Paul have been predicting this situation all week, so I wasn't "shocked and
awed." Just because you take some ecstacy and drive over some bike racks doesn't mean you've
lost your stuff.

a very impressive performance indeed. But let's see him keep up with the Postal Express in
the Pyrenees.

Callistus Valerius said:

I should have kept a list of all the posters here that agreed with that "Ullrich over-rated"
thread. Phil and Paul have been predicting this situation all week, so I wasn't "shocked and
awed." Just because you take some ecstacy and drive over some bike racks doesn't mean you've
lost your stuff.

Right on.

Listen to them tomorrow when Lance is HISTORY !!!

Callistus Valerius said:

I should have kept a list of all the posters here that agreed with that "Ullrich over-rated"
thread. Phil and Paul have been predicting this situation all week, so I wasn't "shocked and
awed." Just because you take some ecstacy and drive over some bike racks doesn't mean you've
lost your stuff.

Don't forget to include Jan Ullrich on your list. Today's ride surprised even him - he
basically said so.

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Callistus Valer said:

I should have kept a list of all the posters here that agreed with

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"Ullrich over-rated" thread. Phil and Paul have been predicting this situation all week, so I
wasn't "shocked and awed." Just because you take some ecstacy and drive over some bike racks
doesn't mean you've lost your stuff.

I just want to know where all the naysayers are that claimed that Ullrich needed to separate
himself from his entourage, Pevenage, et. al. in order to get his act together.

I will 'fess up. I did not think he should have brought all of those dudes with him. He proved me
wrong. I am really surprised. This is old news though. He has me convinced this spring.

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I just want to know where all the naysayers are that claimed that Ullrich needed to separate
himself from his entourage, Pevenage, et. al. in order to get his act together.

One's right here. I really thought he should've gone to CSC without the entourage. I'm very
pleasantly surprised that he was able to do it with them around. If Jan finally has it together,
and given the shape he was in coming into the Tour it looks like he does, it could be a tough
couple of years for the rest of the field. Bill C

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I will 'fess up. I did not think he should have brought all of those dudes with him.

So other than Pevenage wha'ts this "dudes" myth exactly? Is it Riis' comment?

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He proved me wrong. I am really surprised. This is old news though. He has me convinced
this spring.

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Callistus Valerius said:

I should have kept a list of all the posters here that agreed with that "Ullrich over-rated"
thread. Phil and Paul have been predicting this situation all week, so I wasn't "shocked and
awed." Just because you take some ecstacy and drive over some bike racks doesn't mean you've
lost your stuff.

The German Diesel, that's [censored]. It should say "The German Turbo-Diesel".

So, Lance looks a hell of a lot smarter now doesn't he??

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I will 'fess up. I did not think he should have brought all of those

dudes

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with him.

So other than Pevenage wha'ts this "dudes" myth exactly? Is it Riis' comment?

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He proved me wrong. I am really surprised. This is old news though. He has me convinced this
spring.

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His personal coach (Peter Becker), his own director (Rudy Pevenage), and a domestique (Tobias
Steinhauser).

I had thought that he would do better mentally with all new surrounding, coach and director. I am
glad I was wrong.

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a very impressive performance indeed. But let's see him keep up with the Postal Express in the
Pyrenees.

Bianchi and Euskatel blew the Postal team away on Stage 14 on the Mente. Good defensive strategy
from USPS putting a climber up the road, though. Did anyone else wonder what would have happened if
Beltran had done a deal with the others in the break and just gone for it?

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Ed-D said:

a very impressive performance indeed. But let's see him keep up with the Postal Express in the
Pyrenees.

Bianchi and Euskatel blew the Postal team away on Stage 14 on the Mente.

yep. I have to eat crow on this one. Another failed Ed-D prediction!

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Good defensive strategy from USPS putting a climber up the road, though. Did anyone else wonder
what would have happened if Beltran had done a deal with the others in the break and just gone
for it?