The first reported Segway theft

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Segways are cars.

Gutless, driver's-seat-less, two-wheeled electric cars, that should be regulated as such.

Cars get stolen all the time.

cheers, Tom

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(Tom Keats) said:

In article <[email hidden]>, "Buck" <j u n k m a i l @ g a l a x y c o

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Segways are cars.

Gutless, driver's-seat-less, two-wheeled electric cars, that should be regulated as such.

Cars get stolen all the time.

Motorcycle trikes are cars. They just miss a front wheel and a roof, but then, not all cars have a
roof and not all cars have 4 wheels. They should be regulated as such. Motorcycles are cars. They're
just missing the extra rear wheel, and should be regulated as such. Mopeds are cars. They just have
slightly less engine power, and should be regulated as such. Bicycles are cars, they're just missing
the engine and should be regulated as such.

Jasper

(Closer to a motorcycle or an electric bike than a car, IMHO.)

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Jasper Janssen said:

(Tom Keats) said:

In article <[email hidden]>, "Buck" <j u n k m a i l @ g a l a x y c

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Segways are cars.

Gutless, driver's-seat-less, two-wheeled electric cars, that should be regulated as such.

Cars get stolen all the time.

Motorcycle trikes are cars. They just miss a front wheel and a roof, but then, not all cars have a
roof and not all cars have 4 wheels. They should be regulated as such. Motorcycles are cars.
They're just missing the extra rear wheel, and should be regulated as such. Mopeds are cars. They
just have slightly less engine power, and should be regulated as such. Bicycles are cars, they're
just missing the engine and should be regulated as such.

Motorcycles (and mopeds) are motorcycles, and already have their regulations entrenched. Same with
bicycles. But Segways are a johnny-come-lately thing that have so many people stymied as to how to
regard them, thanx to their oddball configuration & design. But Segways are, nevertheless, cars.
Heck, the guy who had his Segway ripped off, parked it outside. Like any other car.

cheers, Tom

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Tom Keats wrote: But

Quoted message said:

Segways are a johnny-come-lately thing that have so many people stymied as to how to regard them,
thanx to their oddball configuration & design. But Segways are, nevertheless, cars. Heck, the guy
who had his Segway ripped off, parked it outside. Like any other car.

cheers, Tom

Isn't the difference between bicycles and cars, motorcycles, mopeds, segways, etc. the simple fact
that bicyles are human powered vehicles and the others are motorized? Bernie

Bernie said:

Isn't the difference between bicycles and cars, motorcycles, mopeds, segways, etc. the simple fact
that bicyles are human powered vehicles and the others are motorized?

The Segway is an anomaly, in that although it is powered it does not require a licence. I guess it
fits in with electric wheelchairs and the like. A mobility appliance for those whose main disability
is chronic idleness, perhaps?

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Quoted message said:

The Segway is an anomaly, in that although it is powered it does not

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Don't be fooled by appearances. Although that is, no doubt, what Segway purveyors hope for.

Quoted message said:

require a licence. I guess it fits in with electric wheelchairs and the like. A mobility appliance
for those whose main disability is chronic idleness, perhaps?

No, Segways are /cars/, dammit! <VBG>

Actually, your last sentence in the above quote states my case rather eloquently.

As cars, they have no business being on sidewalks/pavements.

I'm sure you've noticed how people are so ambivalent about Segways. That's because people realize,
if only at a subconscious level, that Segways are cars.

cheers, & Segways are cars -- spread the word, Tom

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In article said:

Isn't the difference between bicycles and cars, motorcycles, mopeds, segways, etc. the simple fact
that bicyles are human powered vehicles and the others are motorized?

Besides being a physical object, a car is something that inspires a "car" state-of-mind in it's
owner/operator.

I submit that Segways do that, too. And in that light, when someone buys a Segway, they're buying a
spare car.

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you know? said:

Bernie said:

Isn't the difference between bicycles and cars, motorcycles, mopeds, segways, etc. the simple fact
that bicyles are human powered vehicles and the others are motorized?

The Segway is an anomaly, in that although it is powered it does not require a licence. I guess it
fits in with electric wheelchairs and the like. A mobility appliance for those whose main
disability is chronic idleness, perhaps?

Electric bicycles don't require a license either, nor do mopeds (here, at least). The segway's a lot
closer to an electric bicycle than it is to a car.

Jasper

Quoted message said:

Besides being a physical object, a car is something that inspires a "car" state-of-mind in it's
owner/operator.

I submit that Segways do that, too.

Data, please.

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Buck said:

"Jasper Janssen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

Electric bicycles don't require a license either, nor do mopeds (here, at least). The segway's a
lot closer to an electric bicycle than it is to a car.

Dangit Jasper, just when I have my opinion about you pretty much settled, you have to go and write
something I agree with.

-Buck

Okay... But if they are transportation, and the operator is not disabled... then whether they be
cars, bikes, electric transports for the chronically lazy, or whatever, they ain't allowed on the
!@#$%^ sidewalk. That's for pedestrians. My tuppence 'orth Bernie

maybe a pioneer just discovered it

Buck' j u n k m a i l @ g a l a x y c o r p . c o m said:

"Jasper Janssen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

Electric bicycles don't require a license either, nor do mopeds (here, at least). The segway's a
lot closer to an electric bicycle than it is to a car.

Dangit Jasper, just when I have my opinion about you pretty much settled, you have to go and write
something I agree with.

Even a stopped clock's wrong 23:59:58 of the da.. wait, that's not what I wanted to say. ..is right
twice a day, was it.

Jasper (doesn't mind of people don't agree with him) Janssen

Bernie said:

Okay... But if they are transportation, and the operator is not disabled... then whether they be
cars, bikes, electric transports for the chronically lazy, or whatever, they ain't allowed on the
!@#$%^ sidewalk. That's for pedestrians.

Don't you people have your wheelchairs on the sidewalk? How about electric wheelchairs? How about
the reaaaaaally big electric wheelchairs that have at least as much horsepower as an anemic moped
and far better torque?

Besides, the people at Segway are trying to get the law changed so that they *are* allowed on,
they're not trying to get people to go on the sidewalk when it's not allowed.

Jasper

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Quoted message said:

Bernie said:

Okay... But if they are transportation, and the operator is not disabled... then whether they be
cars, bikes, electric transports for the chronically lazy, or whatever, they ain't allowed on the
!@#$%^ sidewalk. That's for pedestrians.

Don't you people have your wheelchairs on the sidewalk? How about electric wheelchairs? How about
the reaaaaaally big electric wheelchairs that have at least as much horsepower as an anemic moped
and far better torque?

There's a person I see frequently around here who runs his electric wheelchair in the road.

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"Tom Keats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Motorcycles (and mopeds) are motorcycles, and already have their regulations entrenched. Same with
bicycles. But Segways are a johnny-come-lately thing that have so many people stymied as to how to
regard them, thanx to their oddball configuration & design.

In California we have already had to deal with motorized scooters (a.k.a. Go-Peds). Segways would be
included under the same definition and be classified as a motorized scooter:

CVC 407.5. (a) A "motorized scooter" is any two-wheeled device that has handlebars, is designed
to be stood or sat upon by the operator, and is powered by an electric motor that is capable of
propelling the device with or without human propulsion.

There's a whole section of the CA vehicle code for motorized scooters that you can find here
dmv.ca.govtocd11c1a5.htmOpen ↗. I'm sure other states will implement
similar laws.

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I submit that Segways do that, too. And in that light, when someone buys a Segway, they're buying a
spare car.

I don't know, I don't think I'll see a Segway tooling down the Garden State Parkway any time soon.
They do look kinda like fun, even though they resemble the old-fashioned lawn mower my dad used to
use in our yard when I was a kid.

Diana B., LPN Diva Nurse

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Jasper Janssen said:

Bernie said:

Okay... But if they are transportation, and the operator is not disabled... then whether they be
cars, bikes, electric transports for the chronically lazy, or whatever, they ain't allowed on the
!@#$%^ sidewalk. That's for pedestrians.

Don't you people have your wheelchairs on the sidewalk? How about electric wheelchairs? How about
the reaaaaaally big electric wheelchairs that have at least as much horsepower as an anemic moped
and far better torque?

" if they are transportation, and the operator is not disabled..." did you notice that part
of my post?

Quoted message said:

Besides, the people at Segway are trying to get the law changed so that they *are* allowed on,
they're not trying to get people to go on the sidewalk when it's not allowed.

I know they are trying to change laws. A desperate last gasp effort I hope! Motorized 'pedestrians'.
This all starts to remind me of the lazy slugs in "Riders of the Purple Wage" by Philip Jose Farmer.
Best regards, Bernie

(Tom Keats) said:

Besides being a physical object, a car is something that inspires a "car" state-of-mind in it's
owner/operator.

I submit that Segways do that, too.

If they inspired the same state of mind as a car, everybody would feel they "needed" one and would
go into debt to own one. Then they'd zoom around like inconsiderate jackasses, becoming noisily
irate when anybody else appeared to be impeding their progress, and crushing people to death
regularly and usually with impunity.

Bikes and Segways have some things in common:

They maintain, and benefit from, a sedate traffic pace in most circumstances

They are more subject to surface conditions than cars or pedestrians

They expose their operators to the sounds and smells of the urban milieu

They subject their operators to weather conditions

They function best within a smaller radius of operation than a car

They take less than most sidewalks' widths when underway

And they are much faster and more convenient transport than walking.

I don't really understand the animus that many cyclists hold regarding Segways, when it's plain that
a Segway-friendly city would also by nature be a bike-friendly city. Also it's plain, to me anyway,
that a person would replace car trips with Segway trips for much the same reason that a cyclist
would choose to go by bike instead of car.

Chalo Colina

(Chalo) said:

I don't really understand the animus that many cyclists hold regarding Segways, when it's plain
that a Segway-friendly city would also by nature be a bike-friendly city. Also it's plain, to me
anyway, that a person would replace car trips with Segway trips for much the same reason that a
cyclist would choose to go by bike instead of car.

That's probably exactly it. People are worrying that the Segway will 'hurt the bike movement', or
something idiotic like that.

Jasper