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    The Drug Profiteers

    By Kelly Hearn, AlterNet

    Posted on August 13, 2004, Printed on August 13, 2004

    Faced with exorbitant prescription drug prices and contemptible
    marketing tactics, the American public seems to be swinging back
    against major drug companies. Marcia Angell, for two decades the
    Editor-in-Chief of The New England Journal of Medicine, is
    contributing boldly to that fight with a front row expose of Big
    Pharma's excesses and neglects. In a disturbing new book, Angell, now
    a Senior Lecturer in Social Medicine at Harvard Medical School,
    spotlights the dubious tactics that garnered big drug companies an
    estimated $400 billion in worldwide sales in 2002.

    Once tapped by Time magazine as one of America's 25 most influential
    people, Angell uses her penetrating new work, The Truth About the Drug
    Companies: How They Deceive Us and What To Do About It, to propose
    reforms that could bring the megacolossal industry under control.
    Angell's book will be published by Random House later this month. She
    talked with AlterNet about the excesses of the drug companies, the
    failure of the government to rein them in and about what it will take
    to turn things around.

    Drug companies claim that high drug prices are needed to offset
    research and development (R&D) costs. You point out that this isn't
    particularly true in part because of the industry's reliance on
    so-called "me too" drugs. Can you explain?

    A "me too" drug is a drug that's a minor variation of a drug already
    on the market. Most of what big drug companies turn out are "me too"
    drugs. There are, for example, six statin drugs on the market. These
    are cholesterol-lowering drugs of the Lipitor type. Lipitor wasn't the
    first statin. The first statin to come on the market was called
    Mevacor. It had such a large potential market that other companies
    realized that rejiggering the molecule a bit would allow them to have
    a share of this very large market. Lipitor is now the best-selling
    drug in the world. But it is a "me too" drug.

    Likewise, your analysis of SEC documents revealed that R&D for many
    companies is a rather mysterious budget category that could include
    what some would consider to be marketing programs. How do R&D
    expenditures generally rank when compared to expenditures for
    marketing and administration costs? And to profits?

    The pharmaceutical industry talks a lot about how much R&D costs. But
    the R&D is consistently less than big companies make in profits and
    far less than what they spend on something they usually call
    "marketing and administration." Companies vary a little in the name
    for this but it's a big category that includes all kinds of
    promotional activities plus administrative costs like executive
    salaries, legal fees and so forth. This is by far the largest part of
    their budgets, usually somewhere from two to two-and-a-half times what
    they spend on R&D.

    Medicare was enacted in 1965 with no provision for outpatient
    prescription drug benefits for seniors. You point out that drugs were
    cheaper, people took fewer drugs and seniors could afford to buy what
    they needed. Today, because many seniors don't have supplemental
    insurance or collective bargaining power, prices are highest for the
    people who most need drugs. Will the recent Medicare reforms help?

    The Medicare drug benefit that was just passed in late 2003 will do
    very little to help senior citizens because it specifically prohibits
    Medicare from bargaining with drug companies for lower prices. All
    large private insurers already do this. So do some government programs
    such as the Veterans Affairs (VA) system. Medicare would be the
    biggest purchaser of all. It would have enormous bargaining power. The
    pharmaceutical industry did not want that to happen and they made sure
    it would be explicitly prohibited. And it was. What we are left with
    is a drug benefit that is inadequate to begin with. It has this huge
    donut hole for example. As prices increase at the rate they are now,
    and they'll probably increase at least that fast, [the benefit] will
    quickly be washed out by rising prices.

    Are there other potential reforms waiting in the wings?

    There are some. The most important reform in my view would be for the
    Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to require that new drugs be tested
    – not against placebos, but against older treatments already on the
    market for the same condition. If that were required, most new drugs,
    which are "me too" drugs, wouldn't be approved. That's because there's
    no reason to think they are better. By default, that would force the
    industry to put some real R&D efforts into genuinely important novel
    drugs. They wouldn't get away with this gigantic "me-too" industry.

    That would be important but it wouldn't directly deal with costs,
    although I think it would have ripple effects that might. As I said,
    the biggest part of Big Pharma's budget is marketing and
    administration. They have to spend a lot to market "me too" drugs
    because there is no particular reason to think that one is better than
    the other at comparable doses. So it takes a heap of marketing to
    convince doctors and patients to buy one statin instead of another
    statin or one SSRI antidepressant instead of another. If it were a
    genuinely important new drug, if it were a cure for cancer, you
    wouldn't have to promote it incessantly. That would save a lot of
    money right there because marketing budgets could shrink. That would
    take an act of Congress and my understanding is that similar bills
    have been introduced to look at how new drugs compare with older ones.
    My proposal is a little different in that I would see it as something
    the FDA would require as a condition for approval. Others, I think
    Senator Clinton for example, have suggested the National Institutes of
    Health (NIH) might want to study "me too" drugs already on the market.
    But, to me, that's too late.

    You call for breaking the dependence the medical profession has on
    drug companies. As a reporter, I constantly confront the trend of drug
    companies paying doctors to evaluate their products. Those
    evaluations, or at least the ones that are pleasing to industry, are
    then fed to us as though they were the latest, greatest scientific
    finding. How much does this erode public confidence and what could be
    done to stop it?

    It ought to erode public confidence. It's not so much the fact that
    the drug companies are sponsoring clinical trials as it is the terms
    of sponsorship. Drug companies have always sponsored trials of their
    own drugs. But they used to give a grant to an academic medical center
    and the center would get a faculty investigator to do the trial. The
    company would stand back and wait for the results. Now they don't do
    that. They are intimately involved in all aspects of the trial. They
    design the trial. They analyze the data. They write the paper. They
    even decide whether the paper will be published. So now they do have
    real control over the evaluation of their own products. That's a
    terrible conflict of interest.

    Also many of the researchers have other financial ties with the same
    companies whose drugs they are studying. They sometimes have equity
    interest in the company. They get consulting fees. They are on
    speaker's bureaus and so forth. So they are biased from the get-go. I
    think the public ought to be very concerned about this.

    Recently we have heard calls for a registry of clinical trials. This
    was in the wake of reports that GlaxoSmithKline had suppressed
    negative information. I don't think this is unique to GlaxoSmithKline
    at all because, as you say, the companies are not very much interested
    in publicizing their negative studies. Even though they are supposed
    to provide the FDA with all trials when they apply for approval, they
    don't have to publish all of them and the FDA is prohibited from
    making them public. So negative trials are suppressed and I think the
    literature is very biased as result of that suppression.

    A registry would be a very good thing to have but it has to be done
    the right way. It should be one central, public registry, probably
    administered by the NIH. All trials ought to be in that registry, not
    just the ones the companies find meaningful. I would make it a
    condition of enrolling human subjects in research. As soon as a drug
    company enrolls human subjects, it no longer is dealing with a purely
    private matter. It is using people who rightly expect they are
    contributing to scientific knowledge and have a right to expect that
    the work will be publicly accountable. The registry, then, would
    contain all work on human subjects from the inception of that piece of
    research. Before the study even begins, the design of the trial should
    be placed in the register. This should include the number of human
    subjects, whether they are old or young, the drug that will be tested,
    whether it will be compared to a placebo or an older drug, how long
    the study is going to last, what the endpoints will be, everything
    before the trial starts. Then when the trial is finished they would
    add the salient results to this registry.

    It is terribly important that it be done this way. If you wait until
    the trial is finished, you permit companies to change the goalposts as
    the trial goes along. There was a widely publicized case of a one-year
    study of Celebrex. The company published the first six months as
    though it were the complete study. That's because the drug looked good
    in the first six months but not so good in the second six months. In
    the registry, they would have entered the design of the trial at
    inception. It would say, "This is a one-year study." Then they
    wouldn't be able to shift the goalposts.

    Recently, big drug companies have been the target of lawsuits alleging
    all kinds of wrongdoing including fraud, burying research evidence,
    fraudulent advertising and overcharging Medicare and Medicaid. What
    are the most important kinds of cases, those that can make the biggest
    dents?

    I'm not sure these cases can make any dents in the dubious practices.
    Even though the fines have been huge, they are nothing compared with
    what the dubious practices have garnered them in revenue. They are a
    cost of doing business. Most of the big drug companies are under
    investigation now for one thing or another. Some of the pharmacy
    benefits management companies are also under investigation. It is a
    constant thing, involving charges of Medicare or Medicaid fraud, of
    advertising for off-label uses, of giving doctors kickbacks. But I'm
    not sure it has any real effect.

    You quote an industry spokesman saying that the pharmaceutical
    industry is facing "the perfect storm." Health insurers, for instance,
    are developing formularies. Many profitable patents are nearing their
    end. And consumers are buying cheaper drugs from Canada over the
    Internet. What is the most intractable problem for the pharmaceutical
    industry? Is it the fact that very few blockbuster drugs are in the
    development pipeline?

    There are two problems. Number one, the pipeline is drying up. Big
    drug companies are in serious trouble. They are trolling small biotech
    companies all over world. They are hovering around academic medical
    centers hoping someone will come up with something they can license
    and develop. Number two, there is nobody left to pay the prices. The
    prices keep rising but individuals can't afford it. The federal
    government is running a huge deficit now, so that's not going to be
    much help. The states are also hurting. Medicaid is one of the biggest
    expenditures for state governments and a big part of that expenditure
    is the drug costs. So there's nobody left who can keep paying these
    prices.

    One reform you suggest is to require pharmaceutical companies to open
    their books to the public. Why shouldn't the pharmaceutical industry
    be able to protect it's proprietary information just as other
    industries do?

    This is a well-protected industry that depends utterly on government
    favors. It lives to a large extent off taxpayer-funded research done
    in universities and funded mainly by the NIH. It lives off
    government-granted monopoly rights in the form of patents and
    FDA-conferred exclusively. It also gets huge tax breaks, both tax
    deductions and tax credits. So although it talks the rhetoric of the
    free market, it is on welfare big time. I think this industry owes the
    public something for being treated so very well.

    You have said that an "aroused and determined" public can provide the
    political power needed to counterbalance the influence of drug
    companies. What are examples of groups that are helping to organize
    public dissatisfaction?

    I think the AARP is one. Their members were very unhappy when the AARP
    leadership supported the Medicare drug benefit without any provision
    for bargaining for good prices. Many members quit. The leadership has
    had a change of heart and now they want to see this bill changed.
    Senior citizens are among the most sophisticated people on this issue
    because they pay for drugs out of pocket. Also, state governments are
    getting fed up. The attorneys general are among those who are legally
    challenging this industry.

    I think there is a general mood that holds, "They are getting away
    with price gouging and they shouldn't be allowed to do that anymore."
    But many people still respond to the blackmail that if anything is
    done to contain prices, it will somehow cut into R&D and innovation.
    That is one reason I wrote the book, to show that is not so.

    © 2004 Independent Media Institute. All rights reserved.
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  2. "fresh~horses" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    I find it shocking that for-profit companies are making money.
    They can't afford to pay for drugs in Canada even with the price controls
    they have. Maybe the government should take control over the drug companies
    and run them themselves. What excuse do they have in having a government
    controlled health program and not have government controlled drug
    manufacturing and retail?
    Zee, tell me why? Could it be that the canadian government doesn't want to
    offend the drug companies or is the government on the take from the drug
    companies?
    How many Americans buy cheap Canadian drugs?
    Why the emphasis of American drugs when drug companies are multi-national?

  3. "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "fresh~horses" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    I find it shocking that for-profit companies are making money.

    Pretty obnoxious of you.

    Quoted message said:

    They can't afford to pay for drugs in Canada even with the price controls
    they have. Maybe the government should take control over the drug companies
    and run them themselves. What excuse do they have in having a government
    controlled health program and not have government controlled drug
    manufacturing and retail?
    Zee, tell me why? Could it be that the canadian government doesn't want to
    offend the drug companies or is the government on the take from the drug
    companies?
    How many Americans buy cheap Canadian drugs?

    What does canada have to do with this? This problem is a made in
    america problem. Can you not get this thru your thick skull and into
    your peasized brain?

    Quoted message said:

    Why the emphasis of American drugs when drug companies are multi-national?

    Most of the science is done in the usa and is published in the usa,
    sometimes even paid for by the usa, in us universities and us medical
    journals. The usa is supposed to be a world leader in science and
    technology. The FDA and the NIHs set guidelines and approve drugs and
    medical procedures that become standards thru-out the world. You
    should be the first to wave the red, white and blue, and tell us how
    the us is a world leader in this area. Then I say that if you want to
    maintain the us as a world leader then the us has to lead. Don't just
    follow the dirty pharma money. Lead.

    And keep your bigotted personal anti-world views out of a discussion
    about nutriton, health and the pharmaceutical industry.

    TC

  4. "tcomeau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "fresh~horses" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    I find it shocking that for-profit companies are making money.

    Pretty obnoxious of you.

    Quoted message said:

    They can't afford to pay for drugs in Canada even with the price


    controls

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    they have. Maybe the government should take control over the drug


    companies

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and run them themselves. What excuse do they have in having a government
    controlled health program and not have government controlled drug
    manufacturing and retail?
    Zee, tell me why? Could it be that the canadian government doesn't want


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    offend the drug companies or is the government on the take from the drug
    companies?
    How many Americans buy cheap Canadian drugs?

    What does canada have to do with this? This problem is a made in
    america problem. Can you not get this thru your thick skull and into
    your peasized brain?

    Drug companies are not mult-national?

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Why the emphasis of American drugs when drug companies are


    multi-national?

    Quoted message said:


    Most of the science is done in the usa and is published in the usa,
    sometimes even paid for by the usa, in us universities and us medical
    journals. The usa is supposed to be a world leader in science


    Don't the drug companies take primary basic research and then the
    multi-nationals run with it?

    and

    Quoted message said:

    technology. The FDA and the NIHs set guidelines and approve drugs and
    medical procedures that become standards thru-out the world.


    Never. What does Finland care about the FDA? They only care about the data
    concerning drugs and then each country does it's own clinical trials.

    You

    Quoted message said:

    should be the first to wave the red, white and blue, and tell us how
    the us is a world leader in this area. Then I say that if you want to
    maintain the us as a world leader then the us has to lead. Don't just
    follow the dirty pharma money. Lead.

    Didn't you say that Canada has a higher standard of living and more research
    is done in Canada? They have more of the blame.

    Quoted message said:


    And keep your bigotted personal anti-world views out of a discussion
    about nutriton, health and the pharmaceutical industry.

    TC


    What bigoted personal anti-world views?

  5. this is horse [censored].

    if you knew anything about the drug development process you'd realise that
    these 'me too' drugs are subjected to exactly the same screening (costing up
    to a billion dollars each drug) as the original drug.
    pharmaceutical companies take monumentous risks with their capital. in a
    capitalist society such as your own (and to a lesser extent, mine, since i
    dont live in the US) this is a perfectly fair game way of making yourself
    filthy rich. big pharma and big tobacco etc. are an externality of your
    society. live with it.

    "fresh~horses" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/19537/
    http://www.alternet.org/story/19537/

    The Drug Profiteers

    By Kelly Hearn, AlterNet

    Posted on August 13, 2004, Printed on August 13, 2004

    Faced with exorbitant prescription drug prices and contemptible
    marketing tactics, the American public seems to be swinging back
    against major drug companies. Marcia Angell, for two decades the
    Editor-in-Chief of The New England Journal of Medicine, is
    contributing boldly to that fight with a front row expose of Big
    Pharma's excesses and neglects. In a disturbing new book, Angell, now
    a Senior Lecturer in Social Medicine at Harvard Medical School,
    spotlights the dubious tactics that garnered big drug companies an
    estimated $400 billion in worldwide sales in 2002.

    Once tapped by Time magazine as one of America's 25 most influential
    people, Angell uses her penetrating new work, The Truth About the Drug
    Companies: How They Deceive Us and What To Do About It, to propose
    reforms that could bring the megacolossal industry under control.
    Angell's book will be published by Random House later this month. She
    talked with AlterNet about the excesses of the drug companies, the
    failure of the government to rein them in and about what it will take
    to turn things around.

    Drug companies claim that high drug prices are needed to offset
    research and development (R&D) costs. You point out that this isn't
    particularly true in part because of the industry's reliance on
    so-called "me too" drugs. Can you explain?

    A "me too" drug is a drug that's a minor variation of a drug already
    on the market. Most of what big drug companies turn out are "me too"
    drugs. There are, for example, six statin drugs on the market. These
    are cholesterol-lowering drugs of the Lipitor type. Lipitor wasn't the
    first statin. The first statin to come on the market was called
    Mevacor. It had such a large potential market that other companies
    realized that rejiggering the molecule a bit would allow them to have
    a share of this very large market. Lipitor is now the best-selling
    drug in the world. But it is a "me too" drug.

    Likewise, your analysis of SEC documents revealed that R&D for many
    companies is a rather mysterious budget category that could include
    what some would consider to be marketing programs. How do R&D
    expenditures generally rank when compared to expenditures for
    marketing and administration costs? And to profits?

    The pharmaceutical industry talks a lot about how much R&D costs. But
    the R&D is consistently less than big companies make in profits and
    far less than what they spend on something they usually call
    "marketing and administration." Companies vary a little in the name
    for this but it's a big category that includes all kinds of
    promotional activities plus administrative costs like executive
    salaries, legal fees and so forth. This is by far the largest part of
    their budgets, usually somewhere from two to two-and-a-half times what
    they spend on R&D.

    Medicare was enacted in 1965 with no provision for outpatient
    prescription drug benefits for seniors. You point out that drugs were
    cheaper, people took fewer drugs and seniors could afford to buy what
    they needed. Today, because many seniors don't have supplemental
    insurance or collective bargaining power, prices are highest for the
    people who most need drugs. Will the recent Medicare reforms help?

    The Medicare drug benefit that was just passed in late 2003 will do
    very little to help senior citizens because it specifically prohibits
    Medicare from bargaining with drug companies for lower prices. All
    large private insurers already do this. So do some government programs
    such as the Veterans Affairs (VA) system. Medicare would be the
    biggest purchaser of all. It would have enormous bargaining power. The
    pharmaceutical industry did not want that to happen and they made sure
    it would be explicitly prohibited. And it was. What we are left with
    is a drug benefit that is inadequate to begin with .Ithasthishuge
    donut hole for example. As prices increase at the rate they are now,
    and they'll probably increase at least that fast, [the benefit] will
    quickly be washed out by rising prices.

    Are there other potential reforms waiting in the wings?

    There are some. The most important reform in my view would be for the
    Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to require that new drugs be tested
    - not against placebos, but against older treatments already on the
    market for the same condition. If that were required, most new drugs,
    which are "me too" drugs, wouldn't be approved. That's because there's
    no reason to think they are better. By default, that would force the
    industry to put some real R&D efforts into genuinely important novel
    drugs. They wouldn't get away with this gigantic "me-too" industry.

    That would be important but it wouldn't directly deal with costs,
    although I think it would have ripple effects that might. As I said,
    the biggest part of Big Pharma's budget is marketing and
    administration. They have to spend a lot to market "me too" drugs
    because there is no particular reason to think that one is better than
    the other at comparable doses. So it takes a heap of marketing to
    convince doctors and patients to buy one statin instead of another
    statin or one SSRI antidepressant instead of another. If it were a
    genuinely important new drug, if it were a cure for cancer, you
    wouldn't have to promote it incessantly. That would save a lot of
    money right there because marketing budgets could shrink. That would
    take an act of Congress and my understanding is that similar bills
    have been introduced to look at how new drugs compare with older ones.
    My proposal is a little different in that I would see it as something
    the FDA would require as a condition for approval. Others, I think
    Senator Clinton for example, have suggested the National Institutes of
    Health (NIH) might want to study "me too" drugs already on the market.
    But, to me, that's too late.

    You call for breaking the dependence the medical profession has on
    drug companies. As a reporter, I constantly confront the trend of drug
    companies paying doctors to evaluate their products. Those
    evaluations, or at least the ones that are pleasing to industry, are
    then fed to us as though they were the latest, greatest scientific
    finding. How much does this erode public confidence and what could be
    done to stop it?

    It ought to erode public confidence. It's not so much the fact that
    the drug companies are sponsoring clinical trials as it is the terms
    of sponsorship. Drug companies have always sponsored trials of their
    own drugs. But they used to give a grant to an academic medical center
    and the center would get a faculty investigator to do the trial. The
    company would stand back and wait for the results. Now they don't do
    that. They are intimately involved in all aspects of the trial. They
    design the trial. They analyze the data. They write the paper. They
    even decide whether the paper will be published. So now they do have
    real control over the evaluation of their own products. That's a
    terrible conflict of interest.

    Also many of the researchers have other financial ties with the same
    companies whose drugs they are studying. They sometimes have equity
    interest in the company. They get consulting fees. They are on
    speaker's bureaus and so forth. So they are biased from the get-go. I
    think the public ought to be very concerned about this.

    Recently we have heard calls for a registry of clinical trials. This
    was in the wake of reports that GlaxoSmithKline had suppressed
    negative information. I don't think this is unique to GlaxoSmithKline
    at all because, as you say, the companies are not very much interested
    in publicizing their negative studies. Even though they are supposed
    to provide the FDA with all trials when they apply for approval, they
    don't have to publish all of them and the FDA is prohibited from
    making them public. So negative trials are suppressed and I think the
    literature is very biased as result of that suppression.

    A registry would be a very good thing to have but it has to be done
    the right way. It should be one central, public registry, probably
    administered by the NIH. All trials ought to be in that registry, not
    just the ones the companies find meaningful. I would make it a
    condition of enrolling human subjects in research. As soon as a drug
    company enrolls human subjects, it no longer is dealing with a purely
    private matter. It is using people who rightly expect they are
    contributing to scientific knowledge and have a right to expect that
    the work will be publicly accountable. The registry, then, would
    contain all work on human subjects from the inception of that piece of
    research. Before the study even begins, the design of the trial should
    be placed in the register. This should include the number of human
    subjects, whether they are old or young, the drug that will be tested,
    whether it will be compared to a placebo or an older drug, how long
    the study is going to last, what the endpoints will be, everything
    before the trial starts. Then when the trial is finished they would
    add the salient results to this registry.

    It is terribly important that it be done this way. If you wait until
    the trial is finished, you permit companies to change the goalposts as
    the trial goes along. There was a widely publicized case of a one-year
    study of Celebrex. The company published the first six months as
    though it were the complete study. That's because the drug looked good
    in the first six months but not so good in the second six months. In
    the registry, they would have entered the design of the trial at
    inception. It would say, "This is a one-year study." Then they
    wouldn't be able to shift the goalposts.

    Recently, big drug companies have been the target of lawsuits alleging
    all kinds of wrongdoing including fraud, burying research evidence,
    fraudulent advertising and overcharging Medicare and Medicaid. What
    are the most important kinds of cases, those that can make the biggest
    dents?

    I'm not sure these cases can make any dents in the dubious practices.
    Even though the fines have been huge, they are nothing compared with
    what the dubious practices have garnered them in revenue. They are a
    cost of doing business. Most of the big drug companies are under
    investigation now for one thing or another. Some of the pharmacy
    benefits management companies are also under investigation. It is a
    constant thing, involving charges of Medicare or Medicaid fraud, of
    advertising for off-label uses, of giving doctors kickbacks. But I'm
    not sure it has any real effect.

    You quote an industry spokesman saying that the pharmaceutical
    industry is facing "the perfect storm." Health insurers, for instance,
    are developing formularies. Many profitable patents are nearing their
    end. And consumers are buying cheaper drugs from Canada over the
    Internet. What is the most intractable problem for the pharmaceutical
    industry? Is it the fact that very few blockbuster drugs are in the
    development pipeline?

    There are two problems. Number one, the pipeline is drying up. Big
    drug companies are in serious trouble. They are trolling small biotech
    companies all over world. They are hovering around academic medical
    centers hoping someone will come up with something they can license
    and develop. Number two, there is nobody left to pay the prices. The
    prices keep rising but individuals can't afford it. The federal
    government is running a huge deficit now, so that's not going to be
    much help. The states are also hurting. Medicaid is one of the biggest
    expenditures for state governments and a big part of that expenditure
    is the drug costs. So there's nobody left who can keep paying these
    prices.

    One reform you suggest is to require pharmaceutical companies to open
    their books to the public. Why shouldn't the pharmaceutical industry
    be able to protect it's proprietary information just as other
    industries do?

    This is a well-protected industry that depends utterly on government
    favors. It lives to a large extent off taxpayer-funded research done
    in universities and funded mainly by the NIH. It lives off
    government-granted monopoly rights in the form of patents and
    FDA-conferred exclusively. It also gets huge tax breaks, both tax
    deductions and tax credits. So although it talks the rhetoric of the
    free market, it is on welfare big time. I think this industry owes the
    public something for being treated so very well.

    You have said that an "aroused and determined" public can provide the
    political power needed to counterbalance the influence of drug
    companies. What are examples of groups that are helping to organize
    public dissatisfaction?

    I think the AARP is one. Their members were very unhappy when the AARP
    leadership supported the Medicare drug benefit without any provision
    for bargaining for good prices. Many members quit. The leadership has
    had a change of heart and now they want to see this bill changed.
    Senior citizens are among the most sophisticated people on this issue
    because they pay for drugs out of pocket. Also, state governments are
    getting fed up. The attorneys general are among those who are legally
    challenging this industry.

    I think there is a general mood that holds, "They are getting away
    with price gouging and they shouldn't be allowed to do that anymore."
    But many people still respond to the blackmail that if anything is
    done to contain prices, it will somehow cut into R&D and innovation.
    That is one reason I wrote the book, to show that is not so.

    © 2004 Independent Media Institute. All rights reserved.
    View this story online at: http://www.alternet.org/story/19537/

  6. Very interesting about Marcia "Devill" ... she has long been a
    spokeDoc for the Junk Science Team and even wrote a totally biased,
    Dow Apologist book on breast implants ... going so far as to lie that
    the "best estimate for rupture" was "5%" ...

    That was absurd even in that time ... I wrote a booklet on the same
    topic at the same time and noted what was known ... MOST implants will
    be ruptured at around 15 years ...

    She published "epidemilogical" so called "studies" in the NEJM funded
    by the manufacturers that were tiny, short, and didn't even look for
    the diseases the women have.

    I don't trust her ...

  7. Even in bringing out generic drugs, there is still multinational testing
    that needs to be done, to proove that the new generic version has the
    same pharmacokinetic profile of the original.

    As far as thing to get concerned about, even in the realms of the
    pharmaceutical industry, making money off so called "me too" drugs, is
    low down on the list.

    "acid reign" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    this is horse [censored].

    if you knew anything about the drug development process you'd realise
    that these 'me too' drugs are subjected to exactly the same screening
    (costing up to a billion dollars each drug) as the original drug.
    pharmaceutical companies take monumentous risks with their capital. in
    a capitalist society such as your own (and to a lesser extent, mine,
    since i dont live in the US) this is a perfectly fair game way of
    making yourself filthy rich. big pharma and big tobacco etc. are an
    externality of your society. live with it.

  8. "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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    "tcomeau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


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    I find it shocking that for-profit companies are making money.

    Pretty obnoxious of you.

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    They can't afford to pay for drugs in Canada even with the price


    controls

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    they have. Maybe the government should take control over the drug


    companies

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    and run them themselves. What excuse do they have in having a government
    controlled health program and not have government controlled drug
    manufacturing and retail?
    Zee, tell me why? Could it be that the canadian government doesn't want


    to

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    offend the drug companies or is the government on the take from the drug
    companies?
    How many Americans buy cheap Canadian drugs?

    What does canada have to do with this? This problem is a made in
    america problem. Can you not get this thru your thick skull and into
    your peasized brain?

    Drug companies are not mult-national?

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    Why the emphasis of American drugs when drug companies are


    multi-national?

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    Most of the science is done in the usa and is published in the usa,
    sometimes even paid for by the usa, in us universities and us medical
    journals. The usa is supposed to be a world leader in science


    Don't the drug companies take primary basic research and then the
    multi-nationals run with it?

    and

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    technology. The FDA and the NIHs set guidelines and approve drugs and
    medical procedures that become standards thru-out the world.


    Never. What does Finland care about the FDA? They only care about the data
    concerning drugs and then each country does it's own clinical trials.

    You

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    should be the first to wave the red, white and blue, and tell us how
    the us is a world leader in this area. Then I say that if you want to
    maintain the us as a world leader then the us has to lead. Don't just
    follow the dirty pharma money. Lead.

    Didn't you say that Canada has a higher standard of living and more research
    is done in Canada? They have more of the blame.

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    And keep your bigotted personal anti-world views out of a discussion
    about nutriton, health and the pharmaceutical industry.

    TC


    What bigoted personal anti-world views?

    You are such a fool.

    TC

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