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  1. It seems that this chatroom allows anyone to post anything with absolutely
    no
    regard for what it proclaims. This place is named the miscellaneous
    alternative
    health newsgroup. Yet it is guarded by a small group of broken down failed
    physicians who try to chase away anyone who offers any alternative health
    news.
    How's it workin' for you? Great, they have a forum here where they get to
    chat
    among themselves. This is a non-alternative chatroom and should be named as
    such.

    The Curezone is a monitored alternative messageboard with 1.5 million
    readers,
    whose motto is "educating not medicating". The failed and pretend physicians
    who
    hang out here, are known as quacks, spammers and unsavoury characters and
    aren't
    permited to post their spew there.

    This months Curezone newsletter carries a feature story entitled "A jorney
    of a thousand
    miles begins with one step, Dave's Story". This is the story of the how the
    "King of Herbs",
    Panax Ginseng is bringinng about the curing of incurable diseases. Exactly
    like the Law of
    Gravity, whether you choose to believe it or not doesn't alter the fact that
    it works.

  2. "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    The Curezone is a monitored alternative messageboard with 1.5 million
    readers,
    whose motto is "educating not medicating". The failed and pretend
    physicians who
    hang out here, are known as quacks, spammers and unsavoury characters
    and aren't
    permited to post their spew there.

    The Curezone; isn't that the place where a bunch of people were telling a
    newly-diagnosed type 1 diabetic that he had a good chance of eventually
    getting off insulin if he just did the right series of "cleanses"?

  3. "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    It seems that this chatroom allows anyone to post anything with absolutely
    no
    regard for what it proclaims. This place is named the miscellaneous
    alternative
    health newsgroup. Yet it is guarded by a small group of broken down failed
    physicians who try to chase away anyone who offers any alternative health
    news.
    How's it workin' for you? Great, they have a forum here where they get to
    chat
    among themselves. This is a non-alternative chatroom and should be named


    as

    Quoted message said:

    such.

    So typical. So predictable.

    Quoted message said:

    The Curezone is a monitored alternative messageboard with 1.5 million
    readers,
    whose motto is "educating not medicating". The failed and pretend


    physicians

    Quoted message said:

    who
    hang out here, are known as quacks, spammers and unsavoury characters and
    aren't
    permited to post their spew there.

    Another Altie who advocates censorship. Why am I not surprised?

    Quoted message said:

    This months Curezone newsletter carries a feature story entitled "A jorney
    of a thousand
    miles begins with one step, Dave's Story". This is the story of the how


    the

    Quoted message said:

    "King of Herbs",
    Panax Ginseng is bringinng about the curing of incurable diseases. Exactly
    like the Law of
    Gravity, whether you choose to believe it or not doesn't alter the fact


    that

    Quoted message said:

    it works.

    Yes, gravity works. Your [censored] is unproven.

  4. "Eric Bohlman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    The Curezone is a monitored alternative messageboard with 1.5 million
    readers,
    whose motto is "educating not medicating". The failed and pretend
    physicians who
    hang out here, are known as quacks, spammers and unsavoury characters
    and aren't
    permited to post their spew there.

    The Curezone; isn't that the place where a bunch of people were telling a
    newly-diagnosed type 1 diabetic that he had a good chance of eventually
    getting off insulin if he just did the right series of "cleanses"?

    I'm sure it is, and they are right. There are many ways to strengthen the
    human
    body to get rid of diabetes. Ginseng is the most powerful cleansing agent
    and
    has helped many people get off insulin forever.

  5. --

    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Eric Bohlman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    The Curezone is a monitored alternative messageboard with 1.5 million
    readers,
    whose motto is "educating not medicating". The failed and pretend
    physicians who
    hang out here, are known as quacks, spammers and unsavoury characters
    and aren't
    permited to post their spew there.

    The Curezone; isn't that the place where a bunch of people were telling


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    newly-diagnosed type 1 diabetic that he had a good chance of eventually
    getting off insulin if he just did the right series of "cleanses"?

    I'm sure it is, and they are right. There are many ways to strengthen the
    human
    body to get rid of diabetes. Ginseng is the most powerful cleansing agent
    and
    has helped many people get off insulin forever.

    Absolutely. Once you're dead, you may stay off insulin forever.

    --Rich

  6. In said:

    It seems that this chatroom allows anyone to post anything with absolutely
    no
    regard for what it proclaims.

    Ain't it typical? Spammin' Dave complains of the very thing
    that lets him post here -- while still clueless as to the
    difference between a newsgroup and a chatroom.

    --
    | "Really, I'm not out to destroy Microsoft. That will just be a |
    | completely unintentional side effect. " -- Linus Torvalds |
    +--------------- D. C. Sessions <[email hidden]> ----------+

  7. Dave <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    It seems that this chatroom allows anyone to post anything with absolutely
    no
    regard for what it proclaims.

    That's because this is a unmoderated newsgroup, not some chatgroup or email
    list that monitors its traffic.

    Quoted message said:

    This place is named the miscellaneous
    alternative
    health newsgroup. Yet it is guarded by a small group of broken down failed
    physicians who try to chase away anyone who offers any alternative health
    news.

    Nah... . It's not guarded by "failed physicians" or anyone else. This is
    however a group where alternative modalities are discussed by anyone who
    chooses to do so. Some are practicioners of alt-health, some are in science,
    some are physicians and most are interested laymen (that goes for both
    sides).

    Quoted message said:

    How's it workin' for you? Great, they have a forum here where they get to
    chat
    among themselves. This is a non-alternative chatroom and should be named


    as

    Quoted message said:

    such.

    Nope. It's not a chatroom (please, go to Irc or some other chat service and
    learn the difference) and it's not a forum either: it's a newsgroup. Whether
    you like it, or not.

    Quoted message said:


    The Curezone is a monitored alternative messageboard with 1.5 million
    readers,
    whose motto is "educating not medicating". The failed and pretend


    physicians

    Quoted message said:

    who
    hang out here, are known as quacks, spammers and unsavoury characters and
    aren't
    permited to post their spew there.

    That's exactly it: What good does it do for people to merely preach for the
    choir and censor the messages? If you like that, by all means go the
    curezone. I doubt they'll appreciate your spamming though.

    Quoted message said:


    This months Curezone newsletter carries a feature story entitled "A jorney
    of a thousand
    miles begins with one step, Dave's Story". This is the story of the how


    the

    Quoted message said:

    "King of Herbs",
    Panax Ginseng is bringinng about the curing of incurable diseases. Exactly
    like the Law of
    Gravity, whether you choose to believe it or not doesn't alter the fact


    that

    Quoted message said:

    it works.

    Maybe they haven't figured your spamming scheme out yet. Maybe they're
    actually interested in your spammings and maybe they lack knowledge to check
    your stories for merits. By the way, your spammings and assertions on
    Ginseng have nothing to do with things that work.

    --

    Robert Bronsing

    Can't you see?
    It all makes perfect sense,
    expressed in dollars and cents, pounds, shillings and pence

    (R. Waters)

  8. "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Eric Bohlman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    The Curezone is a monitored alternative messageboard with 1.5 million
    readers,
    whose motto is "educating not medicating". The failed and pretend
    physicians who
    hang out here, are known as quacks, spammers and unsavoury characters
    and aren't
    permited to post their spew there.

    The Curezone; isn't that the place where a bunch of people were telling


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    newly-diagnosed type 1 diabetic that he had a good chance of eventually
    getting off insulin if he just did the right series of "cleanses"?

    I'm sure it is, and they are right. There are many ways to strengthen the
    human
    body to get rid of diabetes. Ginseng is the most powerful cleansing agent
    and
    has helped many people get off insulin forever.

    Murderer.

  9. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:

    It seems that this chatroom allows anyone to post anything with
    absolutely no regard for what it proclaims.

    That's because this is NOT a chatroom. It's an UNMODERATED Usenet
    newsgroup where topic is alternative medicine. (Do try to learn how the
    There is nothing that demands that the posts only be pro-alternative.
    The only requirement is that the topic of the posts be alternative
    medicine. Because it's unmoderated, that means that anyone can post
    anything they want here and no one exercises any control over what is
    posted there. I can understand why that might make you uncomfortable,
    given how inept you clearly are at engaging in the sometimes rough and
    tumble debate that is typical on Usenet and how clueless you have
    demonstrated yourself to be in defending your assertions against even
    the mildest challenge.

    Quoted message said:

    This place is named the
    miscellaneous alternative health newsgroup. Yet it is guarded by a
    small group of broken down failed physicians who try to chase away
    anyone who offers any alternative health news.

    It's also infested by MLM spammers like yourself, who make vastly
    inflated claims for their "herbal" remedies, claims for which they have
    no evidence (scientific or otherwise), in the hope of separating
    desperate or gullible people from their money. Those of us with an
    interest in the topic and the knowledge to counter these claims choose
    to do so. Again, given your ignorance, I'm not surprised you find this
    an uncomfortable experience.

    Quoted message said:

    How's it workin' for
    you? Great, they have a forum here where they get to chat among
    themselves. This is a non-alternative chatroom and should be named as
    such.

    No, this is a USENET NEWSGROUP. You're not just clueless about medicine,
    but you're clueless about the Internet, too.

    Quoted message said:

    The Curezone is a monitored alternative messageboard with 1.5 million
    readers, whose motto is "educating not medicating". The failed and
    pretend physicians who hang out here, are known as quacks, spammers
    and unsavoury characters and aren't permited to post their spew
    there.

    I can see why an MLM spammer like you would like it. It's a nice, comfy,
    moderated altie discussion group (not a Usenet newsgroup, by the way)
    where alties like you don't have to have their unsupported beliefs
    uncomfortably challenged by anyone posting actual evidence, science,
    logic, or reason. The moderators make sure to eliminate any posts that
    might challenge their world view, no matter how polite those posts are.
    That means the CureZone audience is an audience that is perfect for you.
    It's susceptible to your sales pitch, and, better yet for you, no one is
    allowed to counter your wildly exaggerated claims for the alleged health
    benefits of the product you are selling, allowing you push your product
    unhindered.

    Quoted message said:

    This months Curezone newsletter carries a feature story entitled "A
    jorney of a thousand miles begins with one step, Dave's Story". This
    is the story of the how the "King of Herbs", Panax Ginseng is
    bringinng about the curing of incurable diseases.

    It's more like the story of how Glowlife Dave late in life suddenly
    found a way to make money through the MLM marketing of a product he
    pushes using overblown and unsupported claims for its efficacy.

    Quoted message said:

    Exactly like the
    Law of Gravity, whether you choose to believe it or not doesn't alter
    the fact that it works.

    LOL! To mention your anecdote in the same sentence as the Law of Gravity
    is so laughable that it is genuinely hard to take you seriously.
    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  10. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Eric Bohlman said:

    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    The Curezone is a monitored alternative messageboard with 1.5
    million readers, whose motto is "educating not medicating". The
    failed and pretend physicians who hang out here, are known as
    quacks, spammers and unsavoury characters and aren't permited to
    post their spew there.

    The Curezone; isn't that the place where a bunch of people were telling a
    newly-diagnosed type 1 diabetic that he had a good chance of eventually
    getting off insulin if he just did the right series of "cleanses"?

    I don't know, but if it is, such medical "advice" is clearly
    life-threatening.
    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  11. "D. C. Sessions" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    In said:

    It seems that this chatroom allows anyone to post anything with


    absolutely

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    no
    regard for what it proclaims.

    Ain't it typical? Spammin' Dave complains of the very thing
    that lets him post here -- while still clueless as to the
    difference between a newsgroup and a chatroom.

    What still amazes me is that the Alties like Dave, et al, all support
    squelching of speech that disagrees with them.

    As for Spammin' Scammin' Dave, I know why. It is bad for business.

  12. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:

    "Eric Bohlman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The Curezone; isn't that the place where a bunch of people were telling a
    newly-diagnosed type 1 diabetic that he had a good chance of eventually
    getting off insulin if he just did the right series of "cleanses"?

    I'm sure it is, and they are right. There are many ways to strengthen
    the human body to get rid of diabetes. Ginseng is the most powerful
    cleansing agent and has helped many people get off insulin forever.

    Really? Post the evidence to back up that assertion, please.
    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  13. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Markowski Probertowski said:

    "D. C. Sessions" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    In said:

    It seems that this chatroom allows anyone to post anything with


    absolutely

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    no
    regard for what it proclaims.

    Ain't it typical? Spammin' Dave complains of the very thing
    that lets him post here -- while still clueless as to the
    difference between a newsgroup and a chatroom.

    What still amazes me is that the Alties like Dave, et al, all support
    squelching of speech that disagrees with them.

    To them, freedom of speech is a one-way street. It applies to them but
    not to anyone they disagree with. They mistakenly equate freedom of
    speech with freedom from criticism. They seem to think that freedom of
    speech means that they should be able to post their views without
    consequence (other than making more MLM sales for their herb, in
    Glowlife Dave's case) and without challenge.

    Quoted message said:

    As for Spammin' Scammin' Dave, I know why. It is bad for business.

    Quite correct. In the CureZone's discussion groups, Glowlife Dave will
    find a bunch of perfect customers for his product, customers who are
    already naturally inclined to believe his wildly excessive claims for
    the potential health benefits of Ginseng and who (better yet for
    Glowlife Dave) are shielded by the groups' moderators from even the
    mildest criticism of his pseudoscientific and pseudomedical claims. No
    wonder Glowlife Dave likes it there so much.
    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  14. Quoted message said:

    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    The Curezone is a monitored alternative messageboard with 1.5 million
    readers,
    whose motto is "educating not medicating". The failed and pretend
    physicians who
    hang out here, are known as quacks, spammers and unsavoury characters
    and aren't
    permited to post their spew there.

    The Curezone; isn't that the place where a bunch of people were telling a
    newly-diagnosed type 1 diabetic that he had a good chance of eventually
    getting off insulin if he just did the right series of "cleanses"?

    Yes, it certainly is. Its also the home of Spamming Dave, who says that _HIS_
    ginseng will never create adverse reactions even though he knows it would be
    deadly if taken with certain anti-coagulants.

  15. "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    "Eric Bohlman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The Curezone; isn't that the place where a bunch of people were
    telling a newly-diagnosed type 1 diabetic that he had a good chance
    of eventually getting off insulin if he just did the right series of
    "cleanses"?

    I'm sure it is, and they are right. There are many ways to strengthen
    the human
    body to get rid of diabetes. Ginseng is the most powerful cleansing
    agent and
    has helped many people get off insulin forever.

    Help me out here. In type 1 diabetes, the patient is unable to produce his
    own insulin because the beta cells in the pancreas have all been destroyed
    by his own immune system. In other words, they no longer exist. How does
    "cleansing," which sounds like *removing* something from the body, correct
    that situation?

  16. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:

    It seems that this chatroom allows anyone to post anything with
    absolutely no regard for what it proclaims.

    Yeah, that's the problem: it lets lowlife spamming scumbags like
    yourself make their unfounded claims for their products. It also
    lets them post commercial crud here even though that's forbidden
    by the newsgroup charter. You should be ashamed, but you're far
    too dishonest to be.

    Quoted message said:

    This months Curezone newsletter carries a feature story entitled "A
    jorney of a thousand miles begins with one step, Dave's Story".

    So Curezone allows, nay encourages, advertising. Sounds like a good
    place to avoid.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  17. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:


    "Eric Bohlman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    The Curezone is a monitored alternative messageboard with 1.5 million
    readers,
    whose motto is "educating not medicating". The failed and pretend
    physicians who
    hang out here, are known as quacks, spammers and unsavoury characters
    and aren't
    permited to post their spew there.

    The Curezone; isn't that the place where a bunch of people were telling a
    newly-diagnosed type 1 diabetic that he had a good chance of eventually
    getting off insulin if he just did the right series of "cleanses"?

    I'm sure it is, and they are right. There are many ways to strengthen
    the human body to get rid of diabetes. Ginseng is the most powerful
    cleansing agent and has helped many people get off insulin forever.

    In type 2 diabetes, I suppose that's possible. But in type 1, the
    body has destroyed its own insulin-producing cells. Now you're going
    to tell us that ginseng causes them to grow back? I think not.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  18. "Eric Bohlman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    "Eric Bohlman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The Curezone; isn't that the place where a bunch of people were
    telling a newly-diagnosed type 1 diabetic that he had a good chance
    of eventually getting off insulin if he just did the right series of
    "cleanses"?

    I'm sure it is, and they are right. There are many ways to strengthen
    the human
    body to get rid of diabetes. Ginseng is the most powerful cleansing
    agent and
    has helped many people get off insulin forever.

    Help me out here. In type 1 diabetes, the patient is unable to produce


    his

    Quoted message said:

    own insulin because the beta cells in the pancreas have all been destroyed
    by his own immune system. In other words, they no longer exist. How does
    "cleansing," which sounds like *removing* something from the body, correct
    that situation?

    Hasn't spammin' Dave claimed that Ginseng enhances the immune system? If so,
    then it can hurt the type 1 diabetic even more.

  19. In said:

    "Eric Bohlman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Help me out here. In type 1 diabetes, the patient is unable to produce his
    own insulin because the beta cells in the pancreas have all been destroyed
    by his own immune system. In other words, they no longer exist. How does
    "cleansing," which sounds like *removing* something from the body, correct
    that situation?

    Hasn't spammin' Dave claimed that Ginseng enhances the immune system? If so,
    then it can hurt the type 1 diabetic even more.

    No, you're thinking of the Evil Organized Medical Immune System.
    Scammin' Dave is referring to the Beneficial Alternative Immune
    System, which is a mystical Force which runs through us and
    connects everything in the Universe. The Force is what makes
    all kinds of healing possible, and by buying Dave's Ginseng
    you can use the Force to make your Life Glow -- you could also
    grow new insulin-producing cells if you still needed them,
    but at that spiritual level you would be beyond the need for
    insulin.

    Besides, Dave's Glowing Ginseng contains all the insulin you
    will ever need.

    --
    | "Really, I'm not out to destroy Microsoft. That will just be a |
    | completely unintentional side effect. " -- Linus Torvalds |
    +--------------- D. C. Sessions <[email hidden]> ----------+

  20. In said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    Dave <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'm sure it is, and they are right. There are many ways to strengthen
    the human body to get rid of diabetes. Ginseng is the most powerful
    cleansing agent and has helped many people get off insulin forever.

    In type 2 diabetes, I suppose that's possible. But in type 1, the
    body has destroyed its own insulin-producing cells. Now you're going
    to tell us that ginseng causes them to grow back? I think not.

    No need -- Dave's Ginseng provides all the insulin your
    body needs.

    --
    | "Really, I'm not out to destroy Microsoft. That will just be a |
    | completely unintentional side effect. " -- Linus Torvalds |
    +--------------- D. C. Sessions <[email hidden]> ----------+

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