The Carmichael Spin



"Carl Sundquist" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Kyle Legate" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:2idu9kFlj09lU1@uni-
> berlin.de...
> > > "TritonRider" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > >>
> > >> The bike that Armstrong has dropped had been
> > >> specially designed by bike sponsor Trek and featured
> > >> a narrower bottom bracket shell in an effort to
> > >> reduce the overall frontal area of rider and bike. "
> > >
> > Doesn't this violate the spirit of the UCI rules, which
> > try to ensure that every athlete competes using more or
> > less the same equipment? By designing
> a
> > one-of-a-kind bike with a narrower BB shell, Trek is
> > creating equipment
> that
> > gives Lance an unfair technological advantage.
>
> As I said earlier, I don't know if Obree invented or
> merely popularized narrow BBs more than 10 years ago, but
> the concept has been laid out on the table for all to
> use. If Obree can fabricate a bike out of junkyard parts,
> then why can't a large corporation create essentially the
> same thing?

I believe that Cinelli and or the Raleigh developed the
narrow bottom bracket concept for the 1980 Olympics....
>
> The intellectual value of (in this instance) the piece is
> common now.
>
> If the issue is production v. prototype then that is a
> hugely grey area, whether from a manufacturing POV or a
> 'spirit of the rules' POV.
>
> How these rules are interpreted can be quite delicate.
> Another alternative would be to use the Japanese Keirin
> Association approach where there is no questioning the
> spirit of the rules whatsoever.
 
"Stewart Fleming" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:p[email protected]...
>
>
> B. Lafferty wrote:
> > "John Everett" <[email protected]>
> > wrote in
message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 10:33:00 GMT, "B. Lafferty"
> >><[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>>We'll have the answer to the question late on the
> >>>afternoon of July
19th.
> >>>
> >>
> >>What can we expect to learn on a rest day in Nîmes? ;-)
> >
> > Right you are. July 24th. Stage 19.
>
> What was the question again?

Question? What question?
 
"Carl Sundquist" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Kyle Legate" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:2idu9kFlj09lU1@uni-
> berlin.de...
> > > "TritonRider" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > >>
> > >> The bike that Armstrong has dropped had been
> > >> specially designed by bike sponsor Trek and featured
> > >> a narrower bottom bracket shell in an effort to
> > >> reduce the overall frontal area of rider and bike. "
> > >
> > Doesn't this violate the spirit of the UCI rules, which
> > try to ensure that every athlete competes using more or
> > less the same equipment? By designing
> a
> > one-of-a-kind bike with a narrower BB shell, Trek is
> > creating equipment
> that
> > gives Lance an unfair technological advantage.
>
> As I said earlier, I don't know if Obree invented or
> merely popularized narrow BBs more than 10 years ago, but
> the concept has been laid out on the table for all to
> use. If Obree can fabricate a bike out of junkyard parts,
> then why can't a large corporation create essentially the
> same thing?

I believe that Cinelli and or the Raleigh developed the
narrow bottom bracket concept for the 1980 Olympics....
>
> The intellectual value of (in this instance) the piece is
> common now.
>
> If the issue is production v. prototype then that is a
> hugely grey area, whether from a manufacturing POV or a
> 'spirit of the rules' POV.
>
> How these rules are interpreted can be quite delicate.
> Another alternative would be to use the Japanese Keirin
> Association approach where there is no questioning the
> spirit of the rules whatsoever.
 
"Kyle Legate" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > "TritonRider" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:20040604212446.07875.00000563@mb-
> > m06.aol.com...
> >>
> >> The bike that Armstrong has dropped had been specially
> >> designed by bike sponsor Trek and featured a narrower
> >> bottom bracket shell in an effort to reduce the overall
> >> frontal area of rider and bike. "
> >
> Doesn't this violate the spirit of the UCI rules, which
> try to ensure that every athlete competes using more or
> less the same equipment? By designing
a
> one-of-a-kind bike with a narrower BB shell, Trek is
> creating equipment
that
> gives Lance an unfair technological advantage. Just
> another example of an organization that does all it can
> to bend the rules to its advantage (remember the
> Actovegin almost-scandal?) by playing in the grey area.
> Of course all teams do this, but it kind of destroys any
> moral hgh ground
USPS
> might try to claim for itself.

Troll.

Andy Coggan
 
On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 14:57:16 +0200, Kyle Legate wrote:
> any moral hgh ground USPS might try to claim for itself.

Ha! Hgh, good one.