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  1. "Carl Sundquist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "Kyle Legate" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2idu9kFlj09lU1@uni-
    berlin.de...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "TritonRider" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    >
    > The bike that Armstrong has dropped had been
    > specially designed by bike sponsor Trek and featured
    > a narrower bottom bracket shell in an effort to
    > reduce the overall frontal area of rider and bike. "


    Doesn't this violate the spirit of the UCI rules, which
    try to ensure that every athlete competes using more or
    less the same equipment? By designing


    a

    Quoted message said:

    one-of-a-kind bike with a narrower BB shell, Trek is
    creating equipment


    that

    Quoted message said:

    gives Lance an unfair technological advantage.

    As I said earlier, I don't know if Obree invented or
    merely popularized narrow BBs more than 10 years ago, but
    the concept has been laid out on the table for all to
    use. If Obree can fabricate a bike out of junkyard parts,
    then why can't a large corporation create essentially the
    same thing?

    I believe that Cinelli and or the Raleigh developed the
    narrow bottom bracket concept for the 1980 Olympics....

    Quoted message said:


    The intellectual value of (in this instance) the piece is
    common now.

    If the issue is production v. prototype then that is a
    hugely grey area, whether from a manufacturing POV or a
    'spirit of the rules' POV.

    How these rules are interpreted can be quite delicate.
    Another alternative would be to use the Japanese Keirin
    Association approach where there is no questioning the
    spirit of the rules whatsoever.

  2. "Stewart Fleming" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    B. Lafferty said:

    "John Everett" <[email hidden]>
    wrote in


    message

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 10:33:00 GMT, "B. Lafferty"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >We'll have the answer to the question late on the
    >afternoon of July


    19th.

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    Quoted message said:
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    >

    What can we expect to learn on a rest day in Nîmes? ;-)

    Right you are. July 24th. Stage 19.

    What was the question again?

    Question? What question?

  3. "Carl Sundquist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "Kyle Legate" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2idu9kFlj09lU1@uni-
    berlin.de...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "TritonRider" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    >
    > The bike that Armstrong has dropped had been
    > specially designed by bike sponsor Trek and featured
    > a narrower bottom bracket shell in an effort to
    > reduce the overall frontal area of rider and bike. "


    Doesn't this violate the spirit of the UCI rules, which
    try to ensure that every athlete competes using more or
    less the same equipment? By designing


    a

    Quoted message said:

    one-of-a-kind bike with a narrower BB shell, Trek is
    creating equipment


    that

    Quoted message said:

    gives Lance an unfair technological advantage.

    As I said earlier, I don't know if Obree invented or
    merely popularized narrow BBs more than 10 years ago, but
    the concept has been laid out on the table for all to
    use. If Obree can fabricate a bike out of junkyard parts,
    then why can't a large corporation create essentially the
    same thing?

    I believe that Cinelli and or the Raleigh developed the
    narrow bottom bracket concept for the 1980 Olympics....

    Quoted message said:


    The intellectual value of (in this instance) the piece is
    common now.

    If the issue is production v. prototype then that is a
    hugely grey area, whether from a manufacturing POV or a
    'spirit of the rules' POV.

    How these rules are interpreted can be quite delicate.
    Another alternative would be to use the Japanese Keirin
    Association approach where there is no questioning the
    spirit of the rules whatsoever.

  4. "Kyle Legate" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "TritonRider" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040604212446.07875.00000563@mb-
    m06.aol.com...

    Quoted message said:


    The bike that Armstrong has dropped had been specially
    designed by bike sponsor Trek and featured a narrower
    bottom bracket shell in an effort to reduce the overall
    frontal area of rider and bike. "



    Doesn't this violate the spirit of the UCI rules, which
    try to ensure that every athlete competes using more or
    less the same equipment? By designing


    a

    Quoted message said:

    one-of-a-kind bike with a narrower BB shell, Trek is
    creating equipment


    that

    Quoted message said:

    gives Lance an unfair technological advantage. Just
    another example of an organization that does all it can
    to bend the rules to its advantage (remember the
    Actovegin almost-scandal?) by playing in the grey area.
    Of course all teams do this, but it kind of destroys any
    moral hgh ground


    USPS

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    might try to claim for itself.

    Troll.

    Andy Coggan

  5. Andy Coggan said:


    Troll.


    Sharp eye.

  6. Kyle Legate said:

    any moral hgh ground USPS might try to claim for itself.

    Ha! Hgh, good one.

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