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  1. Just thought I'd tell people that, since I've gone and gotten myself a
    digital camera I can now post pictures of some of the interesting
    things I see on the road on a regular basis and have put them up in a
    journal at crazyguyonabike.

    http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/journal/flyingpigeon

    Eventually I hope to include some of the more intriguing so-called bike
    lane like structures (especially the bits where the busses are routed
    in), as well as a lot more pictures. For contrast it includes
    everything from the anti-clipless tricycle pedal to the $3000 carbon
    bike one of my friends rides. And Arrigo's Bianchi, which doesn't
    really count as Chinese since, of the four countries it was purchased
    in, none of them are China and the rider isn't Chinese, but the bike is
    _in_ China so that will have to do.

    -M

  2. I want to see as many Chinese city bikes as possible. Especially
    Flying Pigeon.

  3. It's interesting that you took a picture of an "Olympic" brand bicycle.
    I wonder if the IOC has the guts to sue them in preparation for the
    next symmer olympics. Being in a country that doesn't recognize
    intellectual property rights they might make out better than the poor
    fellow in Atlanta who had to change the name of his pizza parlor from
    "Olympic pizza" despite being a naturalized Greek.

  4. Marian Rosenberg said:

    Just thought I'd tell people that, since I've gone and gotten myself
    a digital camera I can now post pictures of some of the interesting
    things I see on the road on a regular basis and have put them up in
    a journal at crazyguyonabike.

    http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/journal/flyingpigeon

    Interesting, a 36-spoke rim with pairs of two spokes left out six
    times. Who is producing this bicycle and what sort of customers by
    it. I can't make out what that logo says and what that web site is.

    Jobst Brandt

  5. On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 11:39:18 -0800, <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Marian Rosenberg said:

    Just thought I'd tell people that, since I've gone and gotten myself
    a digital camera I can now post pictures of some of the interesting
    things I see on the road on a regular basis and have put them up in
    a journal at crazyguyonabike.

    http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/journal/flyingpigeon

    Interesting, a 36-spoke rim with pairs of two spokes left out six
    times. Who is producing this bicycle and what sort of customers by
    it. I can't make out what that logo says and what that web site is.

    Jobst Brandt

    http://oscarbike.com

    Google challenged are we?

    Lorenzo L. Love
    http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove

    "The more I think about our US domestic transportation problems... the
    more I see an increased role for the bicycle in American life. I am
    convinced after riding bikes here in China, that it is a sensible,
    economical and clean form of transportation that makes enormous good
    sense."
    George H. W. Bush, as US ambassador to China

  6. Quoted message said:
    Marian Rosenberg said:

    Just thought I'd tell people that, since I've gone and gotten myself
    a digital camera I can now post pictures of some of the interesting
    things I see on the road on a regular basis and have put them up in
    a journal at crazyguyonabike.

    http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/journal/flyingpigeon

    Interesting, a 36-spoke rim with pairs of two spokes left out six
    times. Who is producing this bicycle and what sort of customers by
    it. I can't make out what that logo says and what that web site is.

    Clearly they have not read your book.

  7. Lorenzo L. Love said:

    "The more I think about our US domestic transportation problems... the
    more I see an increased role for the bicycle in American life. I am
    convinced after riding bikes here in China, that it is a sensible,
    economical and clean form of transportation that makes enormous good
    sense."
    George H. W. Bush, as US ambassador to China

    I knew that he wasn't all bad.

  8. Quoted message said:
    Marian Rosenberg said:

    Just thought I'd tell people that, since I've gone and gotten myself
    a digital camera I can now post pictures of some of the interesting
    things I see on the road on a regular basis and have put them up in
    a journal at crazyguyonabike.

    http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/journal/flyingpigeon

    Interesting, a 36-spoke rim with pairs of two spokes left out six
    times. Who is producing this bicycle and what sort of customers by
    it. I can't make out what that logo says and what that web site is.

    A welded quill stem with a faceplated clamp for the bars, old-style
    non-aero brakes with safety levers, quarter-fenders front and rear;
    what's not to like? If you're from 1971, that is...
    --
    Typoes are a feature, not a bug.
    Some gardening required to reply via email.
    Words processed in a facility that contains nuts.

  9. Werehatrack said:

    A welded quill stem with a faceplated clamp for the bars, old-style
    non-aero brakes with safety levers, quarter-fenders front and rear;
    what's not to like? If you're from 1971, that is...

    It would appear thet the Chineese are bigger retro-grouches that even
    the Japanese with their outmoded keirin bikes.

  10. "Olympic Seen parked in the bike lane near my apartment."

    (Bike pedal w/o pedal, only the spindle sticking out)

    In the 50's it was common to see bikes that the primary pedal mechanism
    had fallen off. Usually the spindle / pedal was also bent, giving an
    odd feeling to the pedal stroke. Occasionally I would ride one of my
    bikes that way. Although not for long, I was somewhat fussy, even as a
    kid.

    Interestingly, I haven't noticed this condition for many years. I'm not
    suggesting that it doesn't exist here in the U.S., but not enough for
    me to notice. It offends my sense of order, so I suspect that if it
    were prevalent today, I would have noticed it. (or Perhaps I've lost my
    sense of order ; ) I suspect manufacturers make pedals much better
    today than back then. I wonder when bare spindles stopped appearing?
    It's like having something stolen, you don't miss it by it's absence.

    John

    PS The more I think about this, I think it was mainly rubber block
    pedals that ended up in this condition. I believe that the rubber would
    fall apart or get impacted apart, & this would lead to the pedal coming
    off the pedal. Virtually no rubber block pedals today, therefore not
    many pedals falling apart. I may have answered my own question.

  11. Hay Martin

    I'm really enjoying your site.
    Great pictures. I've been amazed how well wheels work, all my life.
    Even sometimes when they barely turn. I'm not just referring to bicycle
    wheels.

    Keep up the great work, John

  12. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Just thought I'd tell people that, since I've gone and gotten myself a
    digital camera I can now post pictures of some of the interesting
    things I see on the road on a regular basis and have put them up in a
    journal at crazyguyonabike.

    http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/journal/flyingpigeon

    Eventually I hope to include some of the more intriguing so-called bike
    lane like structures (especially the bits where the busses are routed
    in), as well as a lot more pictures. For contrast it includes
    everything from the anti-clipless tricycle pedal to the $3000 carbon
    bike one of my friends rides. And Arrigo's Bianchi, which doesn't
    really count as Chinese since, of the four countries it was purchased
    in, none of them are China and the rider isn't Chinese, but the bike is
    _in_ China so that will have to do.

    -M


    Thanks for sharing, always nice to read about your adventures.
    I use an Eastman Roadster for short rides at work here, maybe after 30 years
    it'll be like one of those too.

  13. john said:

    "Olympic Seen parked in the bike lane near my apartment."

    (Bike pedal w/o pedal, only the spindle sticking out)

    In the 50's it was common to see bikes that the primary pedal mechanism
    had fallen off. Usually the spindle / pedal was also bent, giving an
    odd feeling to the pedal stroke. Occasionally I would ride one of my
    bikes that way. Although not for long, I was somewhat fussy, even as a
    kid.

    Interestingly, I haven't noticed this condition for many years. I'm not
    suggesting that it doesn't exist here in the U.S., but not enough for
    me to notice. It offends my sense of order, so I suspect that if it
    were prevalent today, I would have noticed it. (or Perhaps I've lost my
    sense of order ; ) I suspect manufacturers make pedals much better
    today than back then. I wonder when bare spindles stopped appearing?
    It's like having something stolen, you don't miss it by it's absence.

    More likely, there are to other factors at work. First, you aren't
    getting to see the bikes in the truly poor neighborhoods (where such
    things are still seen, though not terribly often). Second, the price
    of a pair of cheap imported platform pedals is so low that outside of
    the poorest neighborhoods, a failed pedal is going to get replaced
    pronto. Third, a much smaller percentage of kids ride bikes for
    significant distances on a daily basis today, ergo they don't wear out
    the pedals as often.

    I used to see a bare spindle sticking out of a crank on a bike at the
    police auctions fairly regularly, but now that the city here is
    recycling as many of the bikes as possible, I hardly see any bikes at
    all.
    --
    Typoes are a feature, not a bug.
    Some gardening required to reply via email.
    Words processed in a facility that contains nuts.

  14. On 3 Mar 2006 14:21:54 -0800, "amakyonin" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    Werehatrack said:

    A welded quill stem with a faceplated clamp for the bars, old-style
    non-aero brakes with safety levers, quarter-fenders front and rear;
    what's not to like? If you're from 1971, that is...

    It would appear thet the Chineese are bigger retro-grouches that even
    the Japanese with their outmoded keirin bikes.

    There may be different things at work here. I suspect the Chinese
    market is largely driven by cost, with the advantage going to the old
    tech as a result more often than not. I'm not sure I'd characterize
    frugality (if that's what's going on) as a retro-grouch indicator.
    I'll also note that this appears to have been the low-buck entry in
    the maker's roadie lineup out of a total of three road models. The
    other two had aero levers, and at least one was alloy-frame as well.
    From the nature of the other entries in the lineup (in the mountain
    class, particularly) it looks more like the manufacturer selects
    drivetrain components from below the bottom of the barrel by
    comparison to the kit provided in most of Europe and North America.
    Even Wal-Mart bikes look good by comparison.
    --
    Typoes are a feature, not a bug.
    Some gardening required to reply via email.
    Words processed in a facility that contains nuts.

  15. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted post said:

    Just thought I'd tell people that, since I've gone and gotten myself a
    digital camera I can now post pictures of some of the interesting
    things I see on the road on a regular basis and have put them up in a
    journal at crazyguyonabike.

    http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/journal/flyingpigeon

    Eventually I hope to include some of the more intriguing so-called bike
    lane like structures (especially the bits where the busses are routed
    in), as well as a lot more pictures. For contrast it includes
    everything from the anti-clipless tricycle pedal to the $3000 carbon
    bike one of my friends rides. And Arrigo's Bianchi, which doesn't
    really count as Chinese since, of the four countries it was purchased
    in, none of them are China and the rider isn't Chinese, but the bike is
    _in_ China so that will have to do.

    I always enjoy your posts, this one is no exception. A captivating
    visual I recall from a movie (the title of which escapes me), embraced
    a street scene of Beijing(?) circa 60s or 70s, and centered on
    thousands of workaday cyclists, uniformly attired in green army-style
    uniforms, during their morning commute. The gliding multitudes were
    ghostly in their silence.

    Do you encounter such scenes in your travels?

    Luke

  16. Quoted message said:
    john said:

    "Olympic Seen parked in the bike lane near my apartment."

    (Bike pedal w/o pedal, only the spindle sticking out)

    In the 50's it was common to see bikes that the primary pedal mechanism
    had fallen off. Usually the spindle / pedal was also bent, giving an
    odd feeling to the pedal stroke. Occasionally I would ride one of my
    bikes that way. Although not for long, I was somewhat fussy, even as a
    kid.

    Werehatrack said:

    I used to see a bare spindle sticking out of a crank on a bike at the
    police auctions fairly regularly, but now that the city here is
    recycling as many of the bikes as possible, I hardly see any bikes at
    all.

    Just curious: by "recycle" do you mean that they send them to a
    recycling facility or give them away to people who need them?
    \\paul

  17. Werehatrack said:

    On 3 Mar 2006 14:21:54 -0800, "amakyonin" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    Werehatrack said:

    A welded quill stem with a faceplated clamp for the bars, old-style
    non-aero brakes with safety levers, quarter-fenders front and rear;
    what's not to like? If you're from 1971, that is...

    It would appear thet the Chineese are bigger retro-grouches that even
    the Japanese with their outmoded keirin bikes.

    There may be different things at work here. I suspect the Chinese
    market is largely driven by cost, with the advantage going to the old
    tech as a result more often than not. I'm not sure I'd characterize
    frugality (if that's what's going on) as a retro-grouch indicator.
    I'll also note that this appears to have been the low-buck entry in
    the maker's roadie lineup out of a total of three road models. The
    other two had aero levers, and at least one was alloy-frame as well.
    From the nature of the other entries in the lineup (in the mountain
    class, particularly) it looks more like the manufacturer selects
    drivetrain components from below the bottom of the barrel by
    comparison to the kit provided in most of Europe and North America.
    Even Wal-Mart bikes look good by comparison.

    I couldn't find that exact bike on the manufacturer's website. For one
    thing, all of the bikes shown had normal spoke counts. And it
    definitely wasn't a case of the bike shop being all weird or something
    like that, the hub and rim only had 24 holes apiece. I'm pretty sure
    the owner said it was aluminum though it was a lot _LOT_ heavier than
    my previous steel bike (which had double brakes and shifters down on
    the frame).

    I'd probably say frugality, more than anything else. Though this
    particular bike was one of the more expensive in the shop in question
    it wasn't in a wealthy area.

    Even later on when the bike shop owner and a friend joined us (they
    were friends with the sweep rider so I'm not entirely sure when they
    joined us) their bikes (which came from Haikou) were among the cheaper
    on the trip.

    But I was following them on the big descent and they were real _good_.

    -M

  18. Quoted post said:

    Just thought I'd tell people that, since I've gone and gotten myself a
    digital camera I can now post pictures of some of the interesting
    things I see on the road on a regular basis and have put them up in a
    journal at crazyguyonabike.

    http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/journal/flyingpigeon

    Great site, Marian... THAT brings back memories for me!

    I didn't notice any "license plates" on any of the bikes though... has
    that requirement been dropped? When I lived in Beijing in the early
    90's, you were required to have the (ugly, orange...) plates on your
    bike. Maybe it was a "Beijing thing", and didn't ever apply to other
    cities?

    Mark Hickey
    Habanero Cycles
    http://www.habcycles.com
    Home of the $795 ti frame

  19. amakyonin said:


    Werehatrack said:

    A welded quill stem with a faceplated clamp for the bars, old-style
    non-aero brakes with safety levers, quarter-fenders front and rear;
    what's not to like? If you're from 1971, that is...

    It would appear thet the Chineese are bigger retro-grouches that even
    the Japanese with their outmoded keirin bikes.

    What's outmoded about a keirin bike? They're supposed to be identical, at
    least functionally.

    Matt O.

  20. Quoted message said:
    amakyonin said:
    Quoted message said:

    A welded quill stem with a faceplated clamp for the bars, old-style
    non-aero brakes with safety levers, quarter-fenders front and rear;
    what's not to like? If you're from 1971, that is...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Werehatrack wrote:
    It would appear thet the Chineese are bigger retro-grouches that even
    the Japanese with their outmoded keirin bikes.

    Matt O'Toole said:

    What's outmoded about a keirin bike? They're supposed to be identical, at
    least functionally.

    Et tu, Werehatrack?

    I didn't expect _you_ to speak to fashion over function.
    What ever is 'outmoded' about a bike so perfectly suited to
    its use??

    O tempora, o mores.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    www.yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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