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  1. I've seen several recipes for Piroshkis and virtually all of them have chopped
    eggs in them, but I remember I used to be able to buy them from the grocery store
    frozen and they had cheese. I liked the cheese. Would it be possible to add the
    cheese with the chopped eggs or to do without the eggs all together?

    And does anybody know which is better: piroshkis made out of dough using yeast and
    sugar and margarine or dough with no yeast or would pie crust work okay?

    Ron

    --
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    I've been living on the edge so long where the winds of limbo roar."

  2. In 20 years of being stuffed with Polish food by various ladies on my
    ex-wife's side of the family, I never once saw chopped eggs in pierogis. The
    cheese works fine. Go for it. Perhaps it's a regional difference.

    "Ron Hubbard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I've seen several recipes for Piroshkis and virtually all of them have
    chopped
    eggs in them, but I remember I used to be able to buy them from the
    grocery store
    frozen and they had cheese. I liked the cheese. Would it be possible to
    add the
    cheese with the chopped eggs or to do without the eggs all together?

    And does anybody know which is better: piroshkis made out of dough using
    yeast and
    sugar and margarine or dough with no yeast or would pie crust work okay?

    Ron

    --
    "You see me now a veteran, of a thousand psychic wars.
    I've been living on the edge so long where the winds of limbo roar."

  3. On Sat 25 Jun 2005 04:06:05a, Doug Kanter wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:

    In 20 years of being stuffed with Polish food by various ladies on my
    ex-wife's side of the family, I never once saw chopped eggs in pierogis.
    The cheese works fine. Go for it. Perhaps it's a regional difference.

    Not to confuse the two, pierogis are not piroshkis. Pieroshkis are Russian
    and usually filled with a meat mixture that may include egg.

    --
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  4. In article <[email hidden]>, "Doug Kanter"

    Quoted message said:

    In 20 years of being stuffed with Polish food by various ladies on my
    ex-wife's side of the family, I never once saw chopped eggs in
    pierogis. The cheese works fine. Go for it. Perhaps it's a regional
    difference.

    Polish pierogi are not the same thing as Russian piroshki. Very
    different.
    --
    -Barb, <http://www.jamlady.eboard.com> 6/17/05 Pictures & story
    from Notable Women's Dinner at the Governor's Residence.

  5. "Melba's Jammin'" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, "Doug Kanter"

    Quoted message said:

    In 20 years of being stuffed with Polish food by various ladies on my
    ex-wife's side of the family, I never once saw chopped eggs in
    pierogis. The cheese works fine. Go for it. Perhaps it's a regional
    difference.

    Polish pierogi are not the same thing as Russian piroshki. Very
    different.

    OK - I thought it was another spelling of yet another bizarre Polish word.
    :-) What's your basic piroshki description?

  6. On Sat 25 Jun 2005 10:42:14a, Doug Kanter wrote in rec.food.cooking:

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    "Melba's Jammin'" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, "Doug Kanter"

    Quoted message said:

    In 20 years of being stuffed with Polish food by various ladies on my
    ex-wife's side of the family, I never once saw chopped eggs in
    pierogis. The cheese works fine. Go for it. Perhaps it's a regional
    difference.

    Polish pierogi are not the same thing as Russian piroshki. Very
    different.

    OK - I thought it was another spelling of yet another bizarre Polish
    word.
    :-) What's your basic piroshki description?

    Here's a good starting point...

    PIROSHKI

    Source: "The Food and Cooking of Russia" by Lesley Chamberlain

    DOUGH:

    2 1/2 t Dried yeast
    Pinch sugar
    5 T Warm water
    2 1/2 oz Butter
    1 lb Flour
    Pinch salt
    8 T Milk
    2 Eggs

    MEAT FILLING:

    1 Medium onion
    1 T Oil
    8 oz Minced beef / veal / chicken
    Seasoning: salt, pepper, nutmeg,
    chopped herbs to taste
    chopped hard-boiled egg
    1 Egg for binding

    MUSHROOM FILLING:

    1 lb Fresh mushrooms
    Butter for saute'ing
    Chopped herbs to taste
    1 Chopped hard-boiled egg
    Sour cream to bind

    BUCKWHEAT FILLING:

    8 oz Kasha (buckwheat groats)
    1 Medium onion
    1/4 lb Fresh mushrooms
    1 Hard-boiled egg
    For the dough:

    Dissolve the yeast and a pinch of sugar in the warm water. Sprinkle in a
    teaspoon of flour and leave for 15 minutes in a warm place. Pour into a
    bowl, mix in the softened butter, sifted flour and salt, the milk and the
    beaten eggs, and knead into a smooth dough. Leave to rise until it has
    doubled in volume. Knead again and roll out.

    Cut out in small circles: you will be folding these in half to enclose the
    filling in a semi-circle or canoe shape. Brush the inner edges with a
    little milk to help them seal firmly. Then either brush the piroshki with
    egg and bake in a moderate to hot oven for about 10 minutes, until golden
    brown: or fry them, uncoated, in deep fat.

    For the meat filling:

    Lightly fry the onion in the oil or butter, add the meat and cook for 5
    minutes. Combine in a bowl with the seasoning and herbs and allow to cool.
    Pirozhki often come out rather dry because of the small quantities of
    filling which cannot, as with a pie, be moistened by the last-minute
    addition of stock. Both suet and frozen stock in little chips have been
    recommended to me by conscientious Russian pastry cooks to cure this fault.
    My objections are that suet makes the pirozhki undesireably fatty, while
    the chipped stock needs forethought and a sledgehammer, both of which go
    missing when I am in a hurry. A better solution, I think, is to use stock
    either naturally or artificially jellied with gelatine. Add 2 teaspoons,
    finely chopped, to the mixture when it is absolutely cold from the
    refrigerator, bind with egg and use immediately.

    For the mushroom filling:

    Chop the fresh mushrooms into quarters and cook gently in butter with
    finely chopped herbs for 15 minutes. Season, add a little chopped onion,
    chopped hardboiled egg or rice or both, and enough sour cream to make a
    fairly moist filling.

    For the buckwheat filling:

    Cook the kasha in salted water for about 15 minutes until soft but not
    mushy. Drain well and combine with chopped hard-boiled egg, chopped fried
    onions, and chopped mushrooms saute'ed in butter. Add seasoning and herbs
    to taste. Allow the mixture to cool thoroughly in the refrigerator and add
    little pieces of very cold butter. Use immediately.

    These are basic traditional fillings, but there is plenty of scope for
    invention along non-Russian lines; for example, egg and mushroom filling,
    moistened with butter....

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  7. Wayne Boatwright said:

    Here's a good starting point...

    PIROSHKI

    Thank you very much - I was getting ready to ask for a recipe!

    --
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    At least now I have an excuse.

  8. On Sat 25 Jun 2005 12:24:33p, AlleyGator wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:
    Wayne Boatwright said:

    Here's a good starting point...

    PIROSHKI

    Thank you very much - I was getting ready to ask for a recipe!

    You are very welcome, Alley!

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    Quoted message said:

    On Sat 25 Jun 2005 12:24:33p, AlleyGator wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:
    Wayne Boatwright said:

    Here's a good starting point...

    PIROSHKI

    Thank you very much - I was getting ready to ask for a recipe!

    You are very welcome, Alley!

    I have saved it too and when I have some time...............🙂)

  10. Doug Kanter said:

    OK - I thought it was another spelling of yet another bizarre Polish word.
    :-)

    In Russian, пирожки (Romanised as pirozhki, pronounced
    pee-rush-KEE) is plural, пирожок (pirozhok, pee-ruh-ZHOKE) is
    singular.

    The "zh" (ж) in pirozhok is pronounced like the "s" in pleasure. In
    "pirozhki" it becomes devoiced because of the following "k", that is,
    pronounced like "sh". Because of this pronunciation, the word is often
    Romanised as piroshki.

    In the U.S., "pirozhki/piroshki" is often used as a singular noun, and
    pronounced pee-ROSH-kee.

    Derek Juhl

  11. "Wayne Boatwright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Here's a good starting point...

    PIROSHKI

    I take it you are not a journalist. :-)

  12. In article <[email hidden]>, "Doug Kanter"

    Quoted message said:

    "Melba's Jammin'" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, "Doug Kanter"

    Quoted message said:

    In 20 years of being stuffed with Polish food by various ladies on my
    ex-wife's side of the family, I never once saw chopped eggs in
    pierogis. The cheese works fine. Go for it. Perhaps it's a regional
    difference.

    Polish pierogi are not the same thing as Russian piroshki. Very
    different.

    OK - I thought it was another spelling of yet another bizarre Polish
    word.
    :-) What's your basic piroshki description?

    Piroshki as I understand them to be are yeast dough, filled, and baked.
    Recipes I've seen involve chopped hard-cooked egg in the meat filliing.
    Pirohy (Slovak for what the Poles call pierogi) are made with a noodle
    dough (egg, flour, water--no yeast; boiled though some bake them but not
    this Slovachka).
    --
    -Barb, <http://www.jamlady.eboard.com> 6/17/05 Pictures & story
    from Notable Women's Dinner at the Governor's Residence.

  13. Ron Hubbard said:

    I've seen several recipes for Piroshkis and virtually all of them have
    chopped eggs in them, but I remember I used to be able to buy them from
    the grocery store frozen and they had cheese. I liked the cheese. Would it
    be possible to add the cheese with the chopped eggs or to do without the
    eggs all together?

    You can do either thing, but with cheese raw eggs are usually used. The
    cheese traditionally used for pirogi or pirozhki is farmer's cheese
    (ususally for sweet filling) or feta (for savoury filling).

    Quoted message said:

    And does anybody know which is better: piroshkis made out of dough using
    yeast and sugar and margarine or dough with no yeast or would pie crust
    work okay?

    Warning: Information overload! I first posted most of the following
    about eight years ago. I added one recipe for feta filling and one for
    farmer's cheese filling.

    Pirogi (singular pirog - pronounced respectively pee-ruh-GHEE and
    pee-RAWG) are large pies with various fillings. Pirozhki (singular
    pirozhok - pronounced respectively pee-ruhzh-KEE and pee-ruh-ZHOK) are
    small pies with various fillings. They can be served as hors d'oeuvre,
    as accompaniments to soups or as snacks. Pirogi are baked only, while
    pirozhki, though normally also baked, can be deep-fried instead. They
    can be made with yeast dough, with dough made with sour cream
    (recommended for fried pirozhki), with short pastry, or with phyllo
    dough. The only difference between pirogi and pirozhki is their size
    (and the fact that the greater size of pirogi makes it possible to use
    more complex fillings). They can be of any shape you like. Pirogi can
    be as large as you like, while I'd recommend that pirozhki be made about
    3"-3 1/2" long and shaped like a boat (but it's up to you, of course).
    They can be eaten hot or cold.

    [To avoid any misunderstanding: "pierogi" (note the different spelling)
    is a Polish word meaning (boiled) dumplings, which means that they are
    to be compared with Russian pelmeni, Ukrainian vareniki, Lithuanian
    koldunai, etc. and *not* with any of the following.]

    General instructions
    _____________________

    Preheat the oven to 350°F. Make the filling first. For pirogi, cut off
    one-third of the dough, reserving this for the top. Roll out the rest
    of the dough, perhaps to the shape of a shallow pie-dish, if you are
    going to use one. Allow enough to cover the sides. Lay the dough on
    the baking sheet, put in the filling, spreading it right to the edges.
    Turn the edges in over the filling, then roll out the rest of the dough,
    cover the top of the pie and join the edges together. Make a 1/2" slit
    in the centre, for the steam to escape, brush with beaten egg and bake
    in a moderate oven, until the dough is cooked through, usually about 30
    minutes, but it obviously depends on the size, thickness, etc. When the
    pie is done, take it from the oven, brush it with melted butter, cover
    with grease-proof paper and a light clean cloth. Leave for 5 minutes,
    then slide it onto a board, cut into oblong pieces and serve hot or
    cold.

    For pirozhki: as above, but roll out the dough to less than 1/4"
    thickness. Cut into circles, perhaps using a glass or circular cutter
    about 3"-3.5" in diameter. Put a full teaspoon of filling in the centre
    of each circle and join the edges together, forming an oval. Flatten
    lightly, brush with beaten egg and put on a buttered baking-sheet with
    the joint underneath to prevent opening during cooking. Bake until
    golden-brown, approximately 15-20 minutes.

    Make the filling somewhat more spicy, or salty, or sweet, or fatty than
    you would make it if you were thinking of eating it as is - the dough
    will absorb the excess.

    Yeast dough made with water (best for pies with fish or vegetable
    ___________________________ fillings)

    25 oz plain flour
    1 oz fresh yeast
    1 3/4 cups ice-cold water
    1 egg
    5 oz butter
    1 teaspoon salt

    Mix everything together in a large bowl. Beat with a wooden spoon for
    5-10 minutes until the dough is thoroughly mixed. Cover the bowl with a
    clean cloth and allow the dough to rise at the room temperature. Tip it
    out on the floured board, knead it lightly and follow the general
    instructions.

    Yeast dough made with milk (best for pies with buckwheat or egg or cream
    __________________________ cheese filling)

    25 oz plain flour
    1 1/2 cups lukewarm milk
    1/2 cup lukewarm water
    1/2 cup butter
    1 egg
    1 teaspoon salt
    1 teaspoon sugar
    1 ounce fresh yeast

    Dissolve the yeast together with sugar and 1 teaspoon flour in water and
    leave for 15 minutes. Mix half of the flour with milk in a bowl, mix in
    the yeast. Let the dough rise. Add the rest of the ingredients and
    knead thoroughly until it no longer sticks to the hands.

    Yeast dough made with beef suet (best for pies with meat filling)
    _______________________________

    25 oz plain flour
    1 cup rendered beef suet
    1 cup hot water
    1 oz fresh yeast
    2 teaspoons salt

    Render the suet: cut it into small chunks, put in a deep pan, put it in
    the oven and pour off gradually the rendered fat into another vessel.

    Dissolve the yeast in 1/4 cup water, add 1 teaspoon flour, leave for 10
    minutes. Mix the rest of water with the rendered fat, add the rest of
    the flour and the dissolved yeast and knead thoroughly. Let the dough
    rise a bit, add salt, knead it again and let it rise again.

    Phyllo dough
    ____________

    20 oz flour
    1 1/2 cup milk
    4 oz butter
    1/2 oz fresh yeast
    1 egg yolk
    1 1/2 teaspoon salt

    Mix flour, milk yeast, yolks, salt and 1 oz butter. Knead the dough and
    let it rise at room temperature. Knead again and roll out to the
    thickness of 4 1/2 inch or a bit less, cover with a thin layer of
    butter, fold it over 4 times and leave for 10 minutes in a cool place.
    Roll it out again, brush with butter and fold it over again. Repeat
    this operation thrice. Let rise again at a cool place. Follow the
    general instructions.

    Dough made with sour cream (best for pies with mushroom or chicken
    __________________________ filling)

    15 oz flour
    7 oz sour cream
    3 1/2 oz butter
    2 eggs
    1/2 teaspoon salt

    Mix everything, knead thoroughly. Cover with clean cloth and let stand
    for 10 minutes. Roll out the dough to the thickness of 0.2-0.4 in.
    Follow the general instructions.

    Meat filling
    ____________

    2 1/2 lb beef, cubed as for "goulash"
    1/2 cup chopped onion
    2 hard boiled eggs (optional)
    1 tablespoon butter
    1 tablespoon salt
    pepper
    nutmeg

    Fry meat with onions until it's almost cooked, mince finely by hand.
    (Notice that if you put the meat through the meat grinder or food
    processor, the pie is liable to get on the dry side. Traditionally, it
    was recommended to add some suet or butter, or a piece of ice, or broth,
    or jellied broth to alleviate this problem. I have also found that
    adding some finely minced raw cabbage to the filling instead helped a
    lot). Mince the eggs finely and mix thoroughly with the rest of the
    ingredients.

    Meat and rice filling
    _____________________

    As above, but add 3 1/2 oz boiled rice.

    Chicken filling
    _______________

    1 lb boiled chicken, minced (reserve some broth)
    3 oz flour
    6 oz boiled rice
    2 hard boiled eggs chopped
    5 oz fresh boletus edulis mushrooms (porcini), chopped
    2 oz butter
    some fresh parsley and dill
    salt and pepper

    Fry mushrooms in some butter. Bring broth with the flour to the
    boil. Mix all the ingredients together.

    Fish filling
    ____________

    7 oz fish filet
    1/2 cup fish broth (fumet)
    1 onion, finely chopped
    1 teaspoon flour
    2 tablespoons vegetable oil
    salt and pepper

    Salt the fish and brown it on both sides. Mince it not too finely.
    Sauté the onion till soft and golden. Add and brown the flour, dilute
    with some broth or water to the consistency of sour cream. Mix
    everything together.

    Mushroom filling
    ________________

    2 lb fresh mushrooms (wild for preference)
    3 1/2 oz butter
    2 onions, finely chopped
    2-3 tablespoons sour cream
    some fresh dill, chopped

    Boil mushrooms, chop finely. Fry them in butter. Add salt, onions and
    sour cream. Cover and let simmer for 15-20 minutes. Add chopped dill.
    Let cool.

    Spring onion and egg filling
    ____________________________

    1 lb spring onions
    2 tablespoons butter
    7 hard-boiled eggs
    1 fresh egg
    1 teaspoon salt
    pepper

    Chop the spring onions into 1/2" pieces. Melt the butter in frying pan
    and fry spring onions for 3 minutes. Chop up hard-boiled eggs very
    finely. Add spring onions together with the butter they were fried in,
    one raw egg, salt and pepper, mixing it all well together. Let cool.

    Cabbage filling
    _______________

    1 medium-sized cabbage
    enough water to cover cabbage
    1 white onion
    1/2 butter
    2 hard-boiled eggs
    salt and pepper
    1 teaspoon sugar
    (This filling should be made while the dough is rising)

    Chop cabbage fine, put in saucepan, cover with water and bring to the
    boil. Cook for 5 minutes. Drain it off in a colander, carefully
    pressing out any remaining water; otherwise it will be too wet for
    frying.

    Chop the onion and fry in butter till light brown. Add the cabbage and
    fry together for 10-15 minutes. Chill. Chop the hard-boiled eggs and
    add to cabbage with salt, pepper and sugar.

    Sauerkraut filling
    __________________

    2 lb sauerkraut
    3 hard-boiled eggs
    5 tablespoons vegetable oil
    1 onion
    salt and pepper

    Wash the sauerkraut in cold water, if too sour and drain thoroughly.
    Chop finely, put in a deep skillet, add vegetable oil, cover and simmer
    till ready. Chop the onion, fry till golden brown, mix with the
    sauerkraut. Add salt and pepper. Chill. Mix in chopped hard-boiled
    eggs.

    Potato filling
    ______________

    7-8 medium-sized potatoes, boiled and mashed
    3 onions, finely chopped
    4 tablespoons butter
    2 eggs
    salt and pepper

    Fry onions till golden brown. Mix with mashed potatoes, raw eggs and
    butter. Add salt and pepper, mix thoroughly.

    Feta cheese filling
    ___________________

    2 lb feta cheese
    1 cup milk
    3 tablespoons flour
    2 raw eggs

    Mince feta finely, add milk, flour and eggs. Mix thoroughly to get a
    homogenous mass.

    Farmer's cheese filling (sweet)
    _______________________________

    just over a pound of farmer's cheese
    1 raw egg
    1 1/2 tablespoons sugar
    1 teaspoon flour
    0.1 oz vanilla sugar
    a bit of salt
    lemon or orange peel (optional)
    1 tablespoon raisins or sultanas, or nuts, or almonds, or candied fruits
    (optional, in which case reduce the quantity of farmer's cheese to
    3/4 lb)

    Press the farmer's cheese through a sieve or put it through a grinder.
    Add sugar, egg, flour which has been fried lightly in a pan with no fat
    added, and vanilla sugar. Mix thoroughly to get a homogeneous mass.
    Optionally, add some lemon or orange peel and raisins or sultanas, or
    nuts, or almonds, or candied fruits

    Victor

  14. On Sat 25 Jun 2005 02:07:32p, Doug Kanter wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:

    "Wayne Boatwright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Here's a good starting point...

    PIROSHKI

    I take it you are not a journalist. :-)

    Sorry, Doug, I must be dense, but I missed your point.

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  15. "Ron Hubbard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I've seen several recipes for Piroshkis and virtually all of them have chopped
    eggs in them, but I remember I used to be able to buy them from the grocery


    store

    Quoted message said:

    frozen and they had cheese. I liked the cheese. Would it be possible to add the
    cheese with the chopped eggs or to do without the eggs all together?

    And does anybody know which is better: piroshkis made out of dough using yeast


    and

    Quoted message said:

    sugar and margarine or dough with no yeast or would pie crust work okay?

    Ron

    Uh... as I was saying, the ones that I used to buy frozen in the grocery stores
    didn't seem to have any eggs-- and I'd like to think I could taste the
    difference-- but had cheese. I loved those. But I haven't seen a recipe calling
    for cheese in the piroshki. Anybody know why ?

    Ron

  16. <<Uh... as I was saying, the ones that I used to buy frozen in the
    grocery stores
    didn't seem to have any eggs-- and I'd like to think I could taste the
    difference-- but had cheese. I loved those. But I haven't seen a recipe
    calling
    for cheese in the piroshki. Anybody know why ?>>

    I think the linguistics lesson here is that you are looking for a
    ercpie for PIEROGI, which do have a cheese filling option, and not
    PIROSHKI. Sorry I don't havea recipe for you - I buy mine frozen as
    well - but you can do a search of this newsgroup; I remember a thread
    filled with cheese-filled pierogi recipes a few months back.

  17. On 25 Jun 2005 17:33:30 -0700, "Jude" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    <<Uh... as I was saying, the ones that I used to buy frozen in the
    grocery stores
    didn't seem to have any eggs-- and I'd like to think I could taste the
    difference-- but had cheese. I loved those. But I haven't seen a recipe
    calling
    for cheese in the piroshki. Anybody know why ?>>

    I think the linguistics lesson here is that you are looking for a
    ercpie for PIEROGI, which do have a cheese filling option, and not
    PIROSHKI. Sorry I don't havea recipe for you - I buy mine frozen as
    well - but you can do a search of this newsgroup; I remember a thread
    filled with cheese-filled pierogi recipes a few months back.

    Howdy,

    You might want to Google "piroshki."

    All the best,
    --
    Kenneth

    If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS."

  18. "Ron Hubbard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I've seen several recipes for Piroshkis and virtually all of them have


    chopped

    Quoted message said:

    eggs in them, but I remember I used to be able to buy them from the


    grocery store

    Quoted message said:

    frozen and they had cheese. I liked the cheese. Would it be possible to


    add the

    Quoted message said:

    cheese with the chopped eggs or to do without the eggs all together?

    Mmm. Good piroshki. I remember a kind at a long-gone Russian Bakery on
    Clement Street in San Francisco which had glass noodles and mushrooms in it.
    Delish.

    ------------------
    rox

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    Quoted message said:

    <<Uh... as I was saying, the ones that I used to buy frozen in the
    grocery stores
    didn't seem to have any eggs-- and I'd like to think I could taste the
    difference-- but had cheese. I loved those. But I haven't seen a recipe
    calling
    for cheese in the piroshki. Anybody know why ?>>

    I think the linguistics lesson here is that you are looking for a
    ercpie for PIEROGI, which do have a cheese filling option, and not
    PIROSHKI.

    I lived on spinach and cheese piroshki in college. They made them at a place
    called "House of Piroshki" on 9th Avenue in San Francisco. The place has
    closed but I used to go there Saturday mornings right after they were done
    baking them. Mmmmmmmmm.

    I know nobody asked for memories but they hold a soulful place in my heart.

    -------------------------------
    rox

  20. Wow! thanks for all the information, Victor!

    Ron

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    Ron Hubbard said:

    I've seen several recipes for Piroshkis and virtually all of them have
    chopped eggs in them, but I remember I used to be able to buy them from
    the grocery store frozen and they had cheese. I liked the cheese. Would it
    be possible to add the cheese with the chopped eggs or to do without the
    eggs all together?

    You can do either thing, but with cheese raw eggs are usually used. The
    cheese traditionally used for pirogi or pirozhki is farmer's cheese
    (ususally for sweet filling) or feta (for savoury filling).

    Quoted message said:

    And does anybody know which is better: piroshkis made out of dough using
    yeast and sugar and margarine or dough with no yeast or would pie crust
    work okay?

    Warning: Information overload! I first posted most of the following
    about eight years ago. I added one recipe for feta filling and one for
    farmer's cheese filling.

    Pirogi (singular pirog - pronounced respectively pee-ruh-GHEE and
    pee-RAWG) are large pies with various fillings. Pirozhki (singular
    pirozhok - pronounced respectively pee-ruhzh-KEE and pee-ruh-ZHOK) are
    small pies with various fillings. They can be served as hors d'oeuvre,
    as accompaniments to soups or as snacks. Pirogi are baked only, while
    pirozhki, though normally also baked, can be deep-fried instead. They
    can be made with yeast dough, with dough made with sour cream
    (recommended for fried pirozhki), with short pastry, or with phyllo
    dough. The only difference between pirogi and pirozhki is their size
    (and the fact that the greater size of pirogi makes it possible to use
    more complex fillings). They can be of any shape you like. Pirogi can
    be as large as you like, while I'd recommend that pirozhki be made about
    3"-3 1/2" long and shaped like a boat (but it's up to you, of course).
    They can be eaten hot or cold.

    [To avoid any misunderstanding: "pierogi" (note the different spelling)
    is a Polish word meaning (boiled) dumplings, which means that they are
    to be compared with Russian pelmeni, Ukrainian vareniki, Lithuanian
    koldunai, etc. and *not* with any of the following.]

    General instructions
    _____________________

    Preheat the oven to 350°F. Make the filling first. For pirogi, cut off
    one-third of the dough, reserving this for the top. Roll out the rest
    of the dough, perhaps to the shape of a shallow pie-dish, if you are
    going to use one. Allow enough to cover the sides. Lay the dough on
    the baking sheet, put in the filling, spreading it right to the edges.
    Turn the edges in over the filling, then roll out the rest of the dough,
    cover the top of the pie and join the edges together. Make a 1/2" slit
    in the centre, for the steam to escape, brush with beaten egg and bake
    in a moderate oven, until the dough is cooked through, usually about 30
    minutes, but it obviously depends on the size, thickness, etc. When the
    pie is done, take it from the oven, brush it with melted butter, cover
    with grease-proof paper and a light clean cloth. Leave for 5 minutes,
    then slide it onto a board, cut into oblong pieces and serve hot or
    cold.

    For pirozhki: as above, but roll out the dough to less than 1/4"
    thickness. Cut into circles, perhaps using a glass or circular cutter
    about 3"-3.5" in diameter. Put a full teaspoon of filling in the centre
    of each circle and join the edges together, forming an oval. Flatten
    lightly, brush with beaten egg and put on a buttered baking-sheet with
    the joint underneath to prevent opening during cooking. Bake until
    golden-brown, approximately 15-20 minutes.

    Make the filling somewhat more spicy, or salty, or sweet, or fatty than
    you would make it if you were thinking of eating it as is - the dough
    will absorb the excess.

    Yeast dough made with water (best for pies with fish or vegetable
    ___________________________ fillings)

    25 oz plain flour
    1 oz fresh yeast
    1 3/4 cups ice-cold water
    1 egg
    5 oz butter
    1 teaspoon salt

    Mix everything together in a large bowl. Beat with a wooden spoon for
    5-10 minutes until the dough is thoroughly mixed. Cover the bowl with a
    clean cloth and allow the dough to rise at the room temperature. Tip it
    out on the floured board, knead it lightly and follow the general
    instructions.

    Yeast dough made with milk (best for pies with buckwheat or egg or cream
    __________________________ cheese filling)

    25 oz plain flour
    1 1/2 cups lukewarm milk
    1/2 cup lukewarm water
    1/2 cup butter
    1 egg
    1 teaspoon salt
    1 teaspoon sugar
    1 ounce fresh yeast

    Dissolve the yeast together with sugar and 1 teaspoon flour in water and
    leave for 15 minutes. Mix half of the flour with milk in a bowl, mix in
    the yeast. Let the dough rise. Add the rest of the ingredients and
    knead thoroughly until it no longer sticks to the hands.

    Yeast dough made with beef suet (best for pies with meat filling)
    _______________________________

    25 oz plain flour
    1 cup rendered beef suet
    1 cup hot water
    1 oz fresh yeast
    2 teaspoons salt

    Render the suet: cut it into small chunks, put in a deep pan, put it in
    the oven and pour off gradually the rendered fat into another vessel.

    Dissolve the yeast in 1/4 cup water, add 1 teaspoon flour, leave for 10
    minutes. Mix the rest of water with the rendered fat, add the rest of
    the flour and the dissolved yeast and knead thoroughly. Let the dough
    rise a bit, add salt, knead it again and let it rise again.

    Phyllo dough
    ____________

    20 oz flour
    1 1/2 cup milk
    4 oz butter
    1/2 oz fresh yeast
    1 egg yolk
    1 1/2 teaspoon salt

    Mix flour, milk yeast, yolks, salt and 1 oz butter. Knead the dough and
    let it rise at room temperature. Knead again and roll out to the
    thickness of 4 1/2 inch or a bit less, cover with a thin layer of
    butter, fold it over 4 times and leave for 10 minutes in a cool place.
    Roll it out again, brush with butter and fold it over again. Repeat
    this operation thrice. Let rise again at a cool place. Follow the
    general instructions.

    Dough made with sour cream (best for pies with mushroom or chicken
    __________________________ filling)

    15 oz flour
    7 oz sour cream
    3 1/2 oz butter
    2 eggs
    1/2 teaspoon salt

    Mix everything, knead thoroughly. Cover with clean cloth and let stand
    for 10 minutes. Roll out the dough to the thickness of 0.2-0.4 in.
    Follow the general instructions.

    Meat filling
    ____________

    2 1/2 lb beef, cubed as for "goulash"
    1/2 cup chopped onion
    2 hard boiled eggs (optional)
    1 tablespoon butter
    1 tablespoon salt
    pepper
    nutmeg

    Fry meat with onions until it's almost cooked, mince finely by hand.
    (Notice that if you put the meat through the meat grinder or food
    processor, the pie is liable to get on the dry side. Traditionally, it
    was recommended to add some suet or butter, or a piece of ice, or broth,
    or jellied broth to alleviate this problem. I have also found that
    adding some finely minced raw cabbage to the filling instead helped a
    lot). Mince the eggs finely and mix thoroughly with the rest of the
    ingredients.

    Meat and rice filling
    _____________________

    As above, but add 3 1/2 oz boiled rice.

    Chicken filling
    _______________

    1 lb boiled chicken, minced (reserve some broth)
    3 oz flour
    6 oz boiled rice
    2 hard boiled eggs chopped
    5 oz fresh boletus edulis mushrooms (porcini), chopped
    2 oz butter
    some fresh parsley and dill
    salt and pepper

    Fry mushrooms in some butter. Bring broth with the flour to the
    boil. Mix all the ingredients together.

    Fish filling
    ____________

    7 oz fish filet
    1/2 cup fish broth (fumet)
    1 onion, finely chopped
    1 teaspoon flour
    2 tablespoons vegetable oil
    salt and pepper

    Salt the fish and brown it on both sides. Mince it not too finely.
    Sauté the onion till soft and golden. Add and brown the flour, dilute
    with some broth or water to the consistency of sour cream. Mix
    everything together.

    Mushroom filling
    ________________

    2 lb fresh mushrooms (wild for preference)
    3 1/2 oz butter
    2 onions, finely chopped
    2-3 tablespoons sour cream
    some fresh dill, chopped

    Boil mushrooms, chop finely. Fry them in butter. Add salt, onions and
    sour cream. Cover and let simmer for 15-20 minutes. Add chopped dill.
    Let cool.

    Spring onion and egg filling
    ____________________________

    1 lb spring onions
    2 tablespoons butter
    7 hard-boiled eggs
    1 fresh egg
    1 teaspoon salt
    pepper

    Chop the spring onions into 1/2" pieces. Melt the butter in frying pan
    and fry spring onions for 3 minutes. Chop up hard-boiled eggs very
    finely. Add spring onions together with the butter they were fried in,
    one raw egg, salt and pepper, mixing it all well together. Let cool.

    Cabbage filling
    _______________

    1 medium-sized cabbage
    enough water to cover cabbage
    1 white onion
    1/2 butter
    2 hard-boiled eggs
    salt and pepper
    1 teaspoon sugar
    (This filling should be made while the dough is rising)

    Chop cabbage fine, put in saucepan, cover with water and bring to the
    boil. Cook for 5 minutes. Drain it off in a colander, carefully
    pressing out any remaining water; otherwise it will be too wet for
    frying.

    Chop the onion and fry in butter till light brown. Add the cabbage and
    fry together for 10-15 minutes. Chill. Chop the hard-boiled eggs and
    add to cabbage with salt, pepper and sugar.

    Sauerkraut filling
    __________________

    2 lb sauerkraut
    3 hard-boiled eggs
    5 tablespoons vegetable oil
    1 onion
    salt and pepper

    Wash the sauerkraut in cold water, if too sour and drain thoroughly.
    Chop finely, put in a deep skillet, add vegetable oil, cover and simmer
    till ready. Chop the onion, fry till golden brown, mix with the
    sauerkraut. Add salt and pepper. Chill. Mix in chopped hard-boiled
    eggs.

    Potato filling
    ______________

    7-8 medium-sized potatoes, boiled and mashed
    3 onions, finely chopped
    4 tablespoons butter
    2 eggs
    salt and pepper

    Fry onions till golden brown. Mix with mashed potatoes, raw eggs and
    butter. Add salt and pepper, mix thoroughly.

    Feta cheese filling
    ___________________

    2 lb feta cheese
    1 cup milk
    3 tablespoons flour
    2 raw eggs

    Mince feta finely, add milk, flour and eggs. Mix thoroughly to get a
    homogenous mass.

    Farmer's cheese filling (sweet)
    _______________________________

    just over a pound of farmer's cheese
    1 raw egg
    1 1/2 tablespoons sugar
    1 teaspoon flour
    0.1 oz vanilla sugar
    a bit of salt
    lemon or orange peel (optional)
    1 tablespoon raisins or sultanas, or nuts, or almonds, or candied fruits
    (optional, in which case reduce the quantity of farmer's cheese to
    3/4 lb)

    Press the farmer's cheese through a sieve or put it through a grinder.
    Add sugar, egg, flour which has been fried lightly in a pan with no fat
    added, and vanilla sugar. Mix thoroughly to get a homogeneous mass.
    Optionally, add some lemon or orange peel and raisins or sultanas, or
    nuts, or almonds, or candied fruits

    Victor

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