The Armstrong 1999 report

"Thomas Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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You can get the full 132 pages report her:
http://www.velonews.com/media/report1999.pdf

I find it remarkable clear in it's conclusions: Armstrong is in the clear.

Thomas Lund

LOL. WADA and LNDD are going to have lots of fun slicing and dicing this
report.

B. Lafferty said:

"Thomas Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

You can get the full 132 pages report her:
http://www.velonews.com/media/report1999.pdf

I find it remarkable clear in it's conclusions: Armstrong is in the clear.

Thomas Lund

LOL. WADA and LNDD are going to have lots of fun slicing and dicing this
report.

At this point they should stop playing with knives and start talking to
their attorneys.

"Wendy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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B. Lafferty said:

"Thomas Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

You can get the full 132 pages report her:
http://www.velonews.com/media/report1999.pdf

I find it remarkable clear in it's conclusions: Armstrong is in the
clear.

Thomas Lund

LOL. WADA and LNDD are going to have lots of fun slicing and dicing this
report.

At this point they should stop playing with knives and start talking to
their attorneys.

ROTFL. The report is filled with assumptions, presumptions, unsupported
conclusions/conjecture and replete with disclaimers as to the investigator's
lack of cooperation/access to WADA, LNDD and L'Equipe. The qualifications
of the team's only "scientist" relates primarily to adherence to testing
protocols in an adversarial setting and offers no support for the
scientist's expertise relative to the underlying science of EPO testing and
research. Rather than appearing to be a true "independent" investigation,
this report has the appearance of being a whitewash done by a very Dutch
friend of Mr. Verbruggen.

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Allez1 <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :

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"Wendy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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B. Lafferty said:

"Thomas Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> You can get the full 132 pages report her:
> http://www.velonews.com/media/report1999.pdf
>
> I find it remarkable clear in it's conclusions: Armstrong is in the
> clear.
>
>
> Thomas Lund
>
LOL. WADA and LNDD are going to have lots of fun slicing and
dicing this report.

At this point they should stop playing with knives and start talking
to their attorneys.

ROTFL. The report is filled with assumptions, presumptions,
unsupported conclusions/conjecture and replete with disclaimers as to
the investigator's lack of cooperation/access to WADA, LNDD and L'Equipe.
The
qualifications of the team's only "scientist" relates primarily to
adherence to
testing protocols in an adversarial setting and offers no support for the
scientist's expertise relative to the underlying science of EPO
testing and research. Rather than appearing to be a true
"independent" investigation, this report has the appearance of being a
whitewash done by a very
Dutch friend of Mr. Verbruggen.

ROUND ONE - L'ÉQUIPE - DRAW
ROUNE TWO - "COMMISSION" - DRAW
OPINIONS OR PREJUDICES CHANGED - ZERO
--
Sandy
--
S'endormir au volant, c'est très dangereux.
S'endormir à vélo, c'est très rare.
S'endormir à pied, c'est très con.
- Geluck, P.

Allez1 said:

ROTFL. The report is filled with assumptions, presumptions, unsupported
conclusions/conjecture <snip>

Which pretty much describes what L'Equipe published, Pound is on the
record as having said, and most of what you have written.

If one is going to attempt the destruction of a person, one should have
one's facts unimpeachably correct. To date no such facts have been
produced. It is what it is.

Sandy said:

ROUND ONE - L'ÉQUIPE - DRAW
ROUNE TWO - "COMMISSION" - DRAW
OPINIONS OR PREJUDICES CHANGED - ZERO
--
Sandy

D'accord.

There may be a very real question about collateral estoppel being
applicable, thereby preventing those whom Armstrong may sue from
contesting the conclusions of their own expert's report.
Best,
Bill Black

Wendy said:

B. Lafferty said:

"Thomas Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

You can get the full 132 pages report her:
http://www.velonews.com/media/report1999.pdf

I find it remarkable clear in it's conclusions: Armstrong is in the clear.

Thomas Lund

LOL. WADA and LNDD are going to have lots of fun slicing and dicing this
report.

At this point they should stop playing with knives and start talking to
their attorneys.

"Allez1" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Rather than appearing to be a true "independent" investigation, this report
has the appearance of being a whitewash done by a very Dutch friend of Mr.
Verbruggen.

What constitutes being "very Dutch"? Does he wear klompen and smell of
gouda? That would certainly be signs of a whitewash by the former Director
of the National Anti-Doping Agency in The Netherlands.

"trg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Allez1" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
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Quoted message said:

Rather than appearing to be a true "independent" investigation, this
report has the appearance of being a whitewash done by a very Dutch friend
of Mr. Verbruggen.

What constitutes being "very Dutch"? Does he wear klompen and smell of
gouda? That would certainly be signs of a whitewash by the former Director
of the National Anti-Doping Agency in The Netherlands.

According to Simon Schama, Holland was famous for its cleaniness. Everything
was washed white and even the streets were clean. True, it was during the
17th century, but it's significant all the same.

Benjo

Wendy said:

Allez1 said:

ROTFL. The report is filled with assumptions, presumptions, unsupported
conclusions/conjecture <snip>

Which pretty much describes what L'Equipe published, Pound is on the
record as having said, and most of what you have written.

If one is going to attempt the destruction of a person, one should have
one's facts unimpeachably correct. To date no such facts have been
produced. It is what it is.

Well, actually, no. Most people that attempt the destruction of a
person rely on everything but the unimpeachably correct.

If the intent is to carry out specified procedures using due process
and protocols, WADA was dead in the water in this accusatory area to
begin with, what with making up any right to be involved as they go
along, and no one else involved had any such intent.

Anyone looking for the truth in the matter would have needed the
necessary legal position, authority and credentials at the beginning
and used them immediately to pin the evidence to the wall. Too late
and no one yet really has volunteered anyway.

So I'm afraid we're left with character assassination, unprovable if
logical accusations, innuendo and all the related animals. And really,
that's why we're here in rbr. Got a good rumor to spread, we're your
people. We won't kill a good one, even as we disagree with it.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

billb a écrit :

Quoted message said:

There may be a very real question about collateral estoppel being
applicable, thereby preventing those whom Armstrong may sue from
contesting the conclusions of their own expert's report.
Best,
Bill Black

Wendy said:

B. Lafferty said:

"Thomas Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> You can get the full 132 pages report her:
> http://www.velonews.com/media/report1999.pdf
>
> I find it remarkable clear in it's conclusions: Armstrong is in the clear.
>
>
> Thomas Lund
>
>
LOL. WADA and LNDD are going to have lots of fun slicing and dicing this
report.

At this point they should stop playing with knives and start talking to
their attorneys.

Did someone buy you a law book ?
Good grief - give it back !
Did you have a chemistry set as a kid ?
Do you still explode test tubes ?
Collateral estoppel is only invoked when you get poked in the side by a
non-girlfriend.
--
Banzai !

Sandy

JD 1979, but I am less proud of that than I used to be. How is LO Annie
treating you these days?
Best,
Bill Black

Sandy said:

billb a écrit :

Quoted message said:

There may be a very real question about collateral estoppel being
applicable, thereby preventing those whom Armstrong may sue from
contesting the conclusions of their own expert's report.
Best,
Bill Black

Wendy said:

B. Lafferty wrote:

> "Thomas Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
>
>> You can get the full 132 pages report her:
>> http://www.velonews.com/media/report1999.pdf
>>
>> I find it remarkable clear in it's conclusions: Armstrong is in the clear.
>>
>>
>> Thomas Lund
>>
>>
> LOL. WADA and LNDD are going to have lots of fun slicing and dicing this
> report.
>
At this point they should stop playing with knives and start talking to
their attorneys.

Did someone buy you a law book ?
Good grief - give it back !
Did you have a chemistry set as a kid ?
Do you still explode test tubes ?
Collateral estoppel is only invoked when you get poked in the side by a
non-girlfriend.
--
Banzai !

Sandy

Allez1 said:

"Wendy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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ROTFL. The report is filled with assumptions, presumptions, unsupported
conclusions/conjecture and replete with disclaimers as to the investigator's
lack of cooperation/access to WADA, LNDD and L'Equipe. The qualifications
of the team's only "scientist" relates primarily to adherence to testing
protocols in an adversarial setting and offers no support for the
scientist's expertise relative to the underlying science of EPO testing and
research. Rather than appearing to be a true "independent" investigation,
this report has the appearance of being a whitewash done by a very Dutch
friend of Mr. Verbruggen.

You're perfectly free to invent any meaning whatsoever to the report.
The rest of us have no problems understanding that:

1) The testing laboratory shouldn't EVER have had the samples. The UCI
had to have transfered these samples to LNDD.
2) They used a NON-STANDARD procedure. Since they weren't willing to
explain what that procedure was we cannot judge whether or not there
was any validity to it.
3) WADA demanded that the Lab include the identities of the riders on
the report. This could only indicate that from the start they wished to
identify any positive results regardless of the inability to trace the
chain of custody.
4) The chain of custody was broken from the start making any results
worthless.

I must say, Allez, that you are growing more comical with your claims
as additional real information becomes available.

Barnard Frederick said:

This was obviously a high tech lynching, whether or not anyone believes
that LA actually took part in doping. I personally believe it is very
likely he did and that just about all the other Grand Tour riders do it
too.

I look at it as an attempt to put an asterisk next to LA's name in the
record books.

Does the He Did camp's arguments have any merit? Yes.
Does the He Didn't camp's arruments have any merit? Yes.
Does [censored] Pound's and L'Equipe's abortion of an expose/investigation
have any merit? No.

R

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This was obviously a high tech lynching, whether or not anyone believes

that LA actually took part in doping. I personally believe it is very
likely he did and that just about all the other Grand Tour riders do it
too.

Yep.

David Walsh figures Postal had a team doctor write a post-dated
prescription for the saddle sore cream when Lance tested positive for
Corticoids back in '99.

You mean WADA and LNDD will be sliced and diced.

My guess is that [censored] Pound will be forced to resign due to his enormous
incompetence in this issue. I think he was so obessed with getting Armstong
that he may well have hung himself. As badly as this has been handled by
WADA I am starting to think Rummy and [censored] Pound are one and the same.
Anyone see these two guys at the same time?

Rick

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"Thomas Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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You can get the full 132 pages report her:
http://www.velonews.com/media/report1999.pdf

I find it remarkable clear in it's conclusions: Armstrong is in the
clear.

Thomas Lund

LOL. WADA and LNDD are going to have lots of fun slicing and dicing this
report.

Rick Hopkins said:

You mean WADA and LNDD will be sliced and diced.

My guess is that [censored] Pound will be forced to resign due to his enormous
incompetence in this issue. I think he was so obessed with getting Armstong
that he may well have hung himself. As badly as this has been handled by
WADA I am starting to think Rummy and [censored] Pound are one and the same.
Anyone see these two guys at the same time?

Rick

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"Thomas Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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You can get the full 132 pages report her:
http://www.velonews.com/media/report1999.pdf

I find it remarkable clear in it's conclusions: Armstrong is in the
clear.

Thomas Lund

LOL. WADA and LNDD are going to have lots of fun slicing and dicing this
report.

Pound's perfectly safe. Take a look at the the German Schroeder
government, or Chirac in France and the cuurent scandal and Bush and
Co. were reelected too.
As long as you can rig the game, and have the power, you are free and
easy.
Bill C

Thomas Lund said:

You can get the full 132 pages report her:
http://www.velonews.com/media/report1999.pdf

I find it remarkable clear in it's conclusions: Armstrong is in the clear.

As opposed to The Clear (TM) being in Armstrong?

trg said:

"Allez1" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
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Quoted message said:

Rather than appearing to be a true "independent" investigation, this report
has the appearance of being a whitewash done by a very Dutch friend of Mr.
Verbruggen.

What constitutes being "very Dutch"? Does he wear klompen and smell of
gouda? That would certainly be signs of a whitewash by the former Director
of the National Anti-Doping Agency in The Netherlands.

Hmmm.

Double Dutch.
Dutch Oven.
Dutch Courage.
Dutch Rudder.
Going Dutch.