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  1. Original post
    David Martin
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    OK, you are familiar with the 7 Stanes, God's gift to mountain biking?

    Good.

    Angus Council have realised that 1) a lot of Angus people head north
    or south to go play on trails at Laggan/glentress wherever.
    2) they spend money doing so.
    3) Angus has some great scenery and locations for cycling.

    So the following announcement has been made. And you (if you are
    reasonably local) can get involved.

    ***---

    News release issued by Angus Council

    22 February 2007

    Trail Development Challenge for Angus Mountain Bikers
    Angus Council's community learning & development outdoor education
    team has set down a challenge to Mountain Bikers to get involved in a
    discussion about the viability of a mountain bike trail development
    matching one of the 7-Stanes sites. Throughout mid April discussion
    forums will be held across Angus.

    These forums will allow individuals the opportunity to make their
    views heard on the 'how's' and 'where's' of any future development.
    Importantly too, support from within the council and possibly further
    a field for any future development will be gauged on how many people
    attend these forums.

    The challenge for the Mountain Bike community is to ensure these
    meetings are attended by as many people as possible. Parts of the
    community learning department believe that ten people at each forum
    would be an impressive figure, each venue though will hold upwards of
    forty people.

    Monday 16th April
    Panmure Centre
    Community Learning and Development Service
    141 Kinloch Street
    Carnoustie 7.30 - 8.30 pm

    Wednesday 18th April Fairlie House
    Community Learning and Development Service
    Kirkton Hill
    Kirriemuir 7.30 - 8.30 pm

    Thursday 19th April
    Bruce House Wellgate Arbroath 7.30 - 8.30 pm

    Monday 23rd April
    Pitstop 1A Academy Street Forfar 8 - 9 pm

    Tuesday 24th April
    Damacre Centre
    Community Learning and Development Service
    26 Damacre Road
    Brechin 7.30 - 8.30 pm

    If anyone is interested in getting involved or keeping up to date with
    progress please send an email to [email hidden]

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  2. Coyoteboy
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    "David Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    OK, you are familiar with the 7 Stanes, God's gift to mountain biking?

    Well I wouldnt say 7 Stanes were THAT good, but they are good. Glad to hear
    more's planned - id be there if it wasnt several hours away!

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  3. Tony Raven
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    Coyoteboy wrote on 12/04/2007 16:27 +0100:

    Quoted message said:

    "David Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    OK, you are familiar with the 7 Stanes, God's gift to mountain biking?

    Well I wouldnt say 7 Stanes were THAT good, but they are good. Glad to hear
    more's planned - id be there if it wasnt several hours away!

    Haven't been to the 7 Stanes but I've ridden some other routes in Wales
    and the Lakes. I find it a bit like the difference between a climbing
    wall and a rock face. I prefer the real thing myself and find some of
    the constructed routes get a bit formulaic - but maybe that's because I
    know too much about the construction techniques and keep classifying
    each part in my mind. Oh, look, here's the grade reversal, there's the
    bench cut contour line, here's a ladder bridge .......

    --
    Tony

    "The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there
    is no good evidence either way."
    - Bertrand Russell

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  4. Coyoteboy
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    "Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Haven't been to the 7 Stanes but I've ridden some other routes in Wales
    and the Lakes. I find it a bit like the difference between a climbing
    wall and a rock face. I prefer the real thing myself and find some of the
    constructed routes get a bit formulaic - but maybe that's because I know
    too much about the construction techniques and keep classifying each part
    in my mind. Oh, look, here's the grade reversal, there's the bench cut
    contour line, here's a ladder bridge .......

    I think youre right, and im sure your inside knowledge doesnt help at all.
    I find a lot of the good ones very good and enjoyable, but nothing beats a
    "natural" trail through the french alps, or finding an un-touched spot of
    singletrack just as nature intended :-) .

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  5. Simon Brooke
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    in message <[email hidden]>, Coyoteboy

    (') said:


    "David Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    OK, you are familiar with the 7 Stanes, God's gift to mountain biking?

    Well I wouldnt say 7 Stanes were THAT good, but they are good.

    You mean 'I've been to Glentress once and it was overcrowded'. Come back
    when you've ridden all seven and say that - or ride 7/24.

    http://www.7-24.org.uk/

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    Error 1109: There is no message for this error

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  6. Simon Brooke
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    in message <[email hidden]>, Tony Raven

    (') said:

    Coyoteboy wrote on 12/04/2007 16:27 +0100:

    Quoted message said:

    "David Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    OK, you are familiar with the 7 Stanes, God's gift to mountain biking?

    Well I wouldnt say 7 Stanes were THAT good, but they are good. Glad to
    hear more's planned - id be there if it wasnt several hours away!

    Haven't been to the 7 Stanes but I've ridden some other routes in Wales
    and the Lakes. I find it a bit like the difference between a climbing
    wall and a rock face. I prefer the real thing myself and find some of
    the constructed routes get a bit formulaic

    Come back when you've ridden all seven and say that. Hint: No two are
    alike.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
    ;; Skill without imagination is craftsmanship and gives us
    ;; many useful objects such as wickerwork picnic baskets.
    ;; Imagination without skill gives us modern art.
    ;; Tom Stoppard, Artist Descending A Staircase

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  7. Tony Raven
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    Simon Brooke wrote on 15/04/2007 09:03 +0100:

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Haven't been to the 7 Stanes but I've ridden some other routes in Wales
    and the Lakes. I find it a bit like the difference between a climbing
    wall and a rock face. I prefer the real thing myself and find some of
    the constructed routes get a bit formulaic

    Come back when you've ridden all seven and say that. Hint: No two are
    alike.

    No two of the ones I have ridden are alike but they are all constructed
    out of the same basic formulaic elements and it just feels artificial to
    me - as I said the difference between a climbing wall - all of which are
    different but as a different combination of the same basic holds - or a
    rock face. You are very unlikely to find some natural trail features
    either such as fall line gullies or loose surfaces or boggy bits because
    they go against the basic rules of trail building (for good reasons of
    erosion management in high traffic designer trails that tends to be much
    less of a problem on low traffic natural trails).

    --
    Tony

    "The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there
    is no good evidence either way."
    - Bertrand Russell

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  8. Simon Brooke
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    in message <[email hidden]>, Tony Raven

    (') said:

    Simon Brooke wrote on 15/04/2007 09:03 +0100:

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Haven't been to the 7 Stanes but I've ridden some other routes in Wales
    and the Lakes. I find it a bit like the difference between a climbing
    wall and a rock face. I prefer the real thing myself and find some of
    the constructed routes get a bit formulaic

    Come back when you've ridden all seven and say that. Hint: No two are
    alike.

    No two of the ones I have ridden are alike but they are all constructed
    out of the same basic formulaic elements and it just feels artificial to
    me - as I said the difference between a climbing wall - all of which are
    different but as a different combination of the same basic holds - or a
    rock face.

    So explain the 'formulaic features' in this:

    http://www.flattyresmtbroutes.com/Dalbeattie.html

    Yes, I agree Dalbeattie now does have quite a lot of 'formulaic features',
    particularly on the newer stuff - but basically they're just a means of
    linking the big natural features together.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    ;; So, before proceeding with definitive screwing, choose the
    ;; position most congenital.
    -- instructions for fitting bicycle handlebars

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  9. Tony Raven
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    Simon Brooke wrote on 15/04/2007 10:15 +0100:

    Quoted message said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, Tony Raven

    (') said:

    Simon Brooke wrote on 15/04/2007 09:03 +0100:

    Quoted message said:

    > Haven't been to the 7 Stanes but I've ridden some other routes in Wales
    > and the Lakes. I find it a bit like the difference between a climbing
    > wall and a rock face. I prefer the real thing myself and find some of
    > the constructed routes get a bit formulaic
    Come back when you've ridden all seven and say that. Hint: No two are
    alike.


    No two of the ones I have ridden are alike but they are all constructed
    out of the same basic formulaic elements and it just feels artificial to
    me - as I said the difference between a climbing wall - all of which are
    different but as a different combination of the same basic holds - or a
    rock face.

    So explain the 'formulaic features' in this:

    I admit they have made good use of the natural features of the slabs
    which make up a lot of the photos but the rest are bench cut contour
    line trails with grade dips to control water and grade reversals to
    control speed, a winding flat singletrack to give "flow" and control
    speed and then a series of placed boulders because you can place a
    series of boulders.

    --
    Tony

    "The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there
    is no good evidence either way."
    - Bertrand Russell

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  10. Coyoteboy
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    Simon Brooke proclaimed to uk.rec.cycling ...

    Quoted message said:

    You mean 'I've been to Glentress once and it was overcrowded'. Come back
    when you've ridden all seven and say that - or ride 7/24.

    No, I spent a long weekend up there and covered kirroughtree and dalbeattie
    (while I was up there for other reasons) - ones which I had been advised
    were the better of the bunch by, among many, someone who I ride fairly
    often with and who likes the same sorts of rides as me. Admittedly I didnt
    try the others due to lack of time, and because I'd been advised the rest
    were not really up to scratch so I cant comment on 5 of them. But I'd say
    that they are good for the UK but dont come close to the Alpine trails I've
    ridden in either France or Slovenia, a large percentage of which are
    natural. Hence I'd happily conclude they are not "gods gift to
    mountain-biking", and it wouldnt be a difficult decision!

    But each to his own!

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