The $50,000 Two Pound Diet Challenge

Mack said:

If even one
diabetic suffers any problems after following his advise, they have a
clear cut case for malpractice and will get their 50,000 plus a hell
of a lot more. assuming the net cardio doc even has malpractice
insurance.

You're smoking too much dope these days, mack.

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Ok, how about $50,000? I'll make it $50,000 and you can supply the
obese person of your choice. Even you.

$50,000 of monopoly money and a real $1.50 will get you a cup of
coffee.

Oh, very real money held in very real escrow under very real
guidelines drawn up by very real attorneys, mack.

You in or out?

Or do you waste our time expressing your sentiments with nothing more
than.....an opinion.

Me? I put my money where my mouth is. Do you?

""Mu" <[email hidden]> wrote

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MOF, I'll put up $10,000, and pay it, to anyone who does not lose
weight on the TPD under Dr. Chung's supervision.

Starve and loose weight. Big deal.

How 'bout putting up some money on how many of these people quit that diet
simply because they are totally miserable after a couple of days. It only
works if people can stick with it.

The problem with most overweight people is that they can't stop eating (for
whatever reason). Chung's diet won't work because these people (I, among
them) want to keep eating. If it was as simple as "eat less," we'd have no
obese people.

With Atkins, my cravings and desires are satisfied, I am happy and I've lost
over 5% of my body weight in one month.

On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 13:41:08 -0400, "\"Mu"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

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Me? I put my money where my mouth is. Do you?

You mu st look funny with $ bills sticking out of yer [censored]
then.

Stupid [censored].

Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide

On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:27:49 -0400, ".."

louisDOTjezsikATarinsoDOTcom said:

Starve and loose weight. Big deal.

How 'bout putting up some money on how many of these people quit that diet
simply because they are totally miserable after a couple of days.

ok.

How much?

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The problem with most overweight people is that they can't stop eating (for
whatever reason). Chung's diet won't work because these people (I, among
them) want to keep eating. If it was as simple as "eat less," we'd have no
obese people.

It's not that simple and, obviously, you have not read the website,
have you?

""Mu" <[email hidden]> wrote

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How 'bout putting up some money on how many of these people quit that

diet

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simply because they are totally miserable after a couple of days.

ok.

How much?

I don't care, Mu, it's your money. How much money are you willing to lose?
It doesn't mater; as you're a blowhard, unable to propose a legitimate test,
you can keep arm-waving for weeks and weeks. If Chung's diet was as good as
you seem to believe, you'd be investing your money in it rather than hanging
out in support groups being a prat.

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The problem with most overweight people is that they can't stop eating

(for

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whatever reason). Chung's diet won't work because these people (I, among
them) want to keep eating. If it was as simple as "eat less," we'd have

no

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obese people.

It's not that simple and, obviously, you have not read the website,
have you?

So much for your powers of observation. With less than a thousand words, it
only took me a few minutes. If my summary was too simple for you, let me use
the ol' step by step approach (now, pay attention):

1) weigh your food
2) start eating less
3) stop eating less when you get to 2lbs/day
4) lose weight

Other than some tips and obvious advice, I think that about sums up the
diet.

Be sure to send us a note if you find some over-eaters willing to subject
themselves to this one.

On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:07:42 -0400, ".."

louisDOTjezsikATarinsoDOTcom said:

""Mu" <[email hidden]> wrote

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How 'bout putting up some money on how many of these people quit that

diet

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simply because they are totally miserable after a couple of days.

ok.

How much?

I don't care, Mu, it's your money. How much money are you willing to lose?

I'm betting $50,000....in escrow.

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It doesn't mater; as you're a blowhard, unable to propose a legitimate test,

Most certainly can. When do you want to get started?

I mean. let's really see who the blowhards are and who the players
are?

Player or blowhard?

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It's not that simple and, obviously, you have not read the website,
have you?

So much for your powers of observation. With less than a thousand words, it
only took me a few minutes. If my summary was too simple for you, let me use
the ol' step by step approach (now, pay attention):

1) weigh your food
2) start eating less
3) stop eating less when you get to 2lbs/day
4) lose weight

Good! when are you ready to start?

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Be sure to send us a note if you find some over-eaters willing to subject
themselves to this one.

Oh, so you are a blowhard not a player.

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1) weigh your food
2) start eating less
3) stop eating less when you get to 2lbs/day
4) lose weight

5) "accidentally" knock your scale off the table and break it.

So, Mu, you're ready to wager a tidy sum of money on your 2lb/day diet. You
claim you're a player. Well, let's see if you have what it takes. OK, I call
your bluff.

Tell me exactly how you propose to test your hypothesis that people can:

1. Stay on your 2lbs/day diet;
2. without a significant drop-out rate (go ahead and pick a percentage,
we'll discuss it later);
3. lose weight at rate equal to or faster than a low carb diet;
4. within a reasonable time frame (open to debate).

Naturally you'll need a control group and some method to impose a
double-blind evaluation.

So, there you go. Let's see if you're a blowhard or a not. Tell everyone how
you're going to set up your experiment to prove your diet is more effective
than Atkins. Otherwise, crawl back under the anonymous rock from whence you
came.

On Tue, 8 Jul 2003 12:53:50 -0400, ".." <louisDOTjezsikATarinsoDOTcom>

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So, Mu, you're ready to wager a tidy sum of money on your 2lb/day diet. You
claim you're a player. Well, let's see if you have what it takes. OK, I call
your bluff.

hehehehe

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Tell me exactly how you propose to test your hypothesis that people can:

1. Stay on your 2lbs/day diet;

You come to Atlanta and stay in a place, with 7/24 bodyguard at your
door, and follow the 2PDiet for a minimum of three months under the
supervision of Mu/Chung.

You must pass a thorough physical and disclose any med history and
medications that might make you ineligible.

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2. without a significant drop-out rate (go ahead and pick a percentage,
we'll discuss it later);

A dropout means you lose. Pay your hotel tab and go home.

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3. lose weight at rate equal to or faster than a low carb diet;

I never said that.

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4. within a reasonable time frame (open to debate).

See above.

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Naturally you'll need a control group and some method to impose a
double-blind evaluation.

Nope, just you.

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So, there you go. Let's see if you're a blowhard or a not.

When you want to do this?

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Tell everyone how
you're going to set up your experiment to prove your diet is more effective
than Atkins.

Never said it was more effective than Atkins just your best shoe at a
lifetime of weight reduction/maintenance.

We'll get you started, you don't lose weight, you get the $50,000.

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Otherwise, crawl back under the anonymous rock from whence you
came.

When you coming?

"*Mu*" <[email hidden]> wrote

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You come to Atlanta and stay in a place, with 7/24 bodyguard at your
door, and follow the 2PDiet for a minimum of three months under the
supervision of Mu/Chung.

Yup, this explains why your favorite diet will never catch on. As I pointed
out earlier, starvation is a very effective method to lose weight, but folks
will rarely do so of their own accord.

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A dropout means you lose. Pay your hotel tab and go home.

Therefore a dropout means your diet can not be followed. Plain and simple. I
diet can't work if people can't stick with it.

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3. lose weight at rate equal to or faster than a low carb diet;

I never said that.

So why do you criticise Atkins and low carb diets so much. Is this just a
hobby for you?

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Naturally you'll need a control group and some method to impose a
double-blind evaluation.

Nope, just you.

Ah, no background in science. One shot experiments are pretty much useless.

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Tell everyone how
you're going to set up your experiment to prove your diet is more

effective

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than Atkins.

Never said it was more effective than Atkins just your best shoe at a
lifetime of weight reduction/maintenance.

If it's not more effective than Atkins, and since it's more difficult than
Atkins (with the armed guards and all), I think you'll have a difficult time
convincing me, or anyone else, that it's my best shot at weight reduction
and maintenance.

Of course, that won't stop you from trying, being the effective persuader
you are.

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You come to Atlanta and stay in a place, with 7/24 bodyguard at your
door, and follow the 2PDiet for a minimum of three months under the
supervision of Mu/Chung.

On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 10:41:59 -0400, ".." <louisDOTjezsikATarinsoDOTcom>

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Yup, this explains why your favorite diet will never catch on. As I pointed
out earlier, starvation is a very effective method to lose weight, but folks
will rarely do so of their own accord.

See if you can hang with me for a minute.

this is not a test. We don't need a study to know what we see our
patients and clients doing right in front of our eyes.

This is a bet. either you take it, like you said you were, or [censored].

I am putting my money where my mouth is. You can make $50,000 if you
"beat the diet".

Very simple.

In or out?

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So why do you criticise Atkins and low carb diets so much.

Because the failure rates are astronomically high. What other reason
would you need?

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If the TPDi s not more effective than Atkins, and since it's more difficult than
Atkins (with the armed guards and all), I think you'll have a difficult time
convincing me, or anyone else, that it's my best shot at weight reduction
and maintenance.

Makes me no nevermind how you mistreat your body.

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Of course, that won't stop you from trying, being the effective persuader
you are.

See above. I am not here to persuade anyone.

"*Mu*" <[email hidden]> wrote

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So why do you criticise Atkins and low carb diets so much.

Because the failure rates are astronomically high. What other reason
would you need?

Astronomically high? Ha, ha! I suppose you have some research to back this
up? What other reasons would you need to criticize Atkins? I guess YOU
don't. How 'bout having some of your successful dieters tell us of their
successes rather than us listen to you rage in the wind?

I have no doubt your 2lb/day starvation diet will make people lose weight,
just as I have no doubt a 1000 calorie/day diet will do the same thing. The
clincher is whether or not your subjects will stick with the diet. If you
have to put an armed guard at the door to keep your "patients" from
cheating, well, let's just say you ain't gettin' rich any time soon, pal.

Hell, I can come up with a diet that will make people lose weight too. In
fact I already have. It's called the "Wilderness Safari Diet" (TM). After a
bit of survival training, you're dropped into the middle of a warm, dry,
savannah plain, about 500 square kilometres of uninhabited land. It's fenced
off. You must survive for three months using only your wits, a small knife,
various articles of personal effects, a small supply of food and a map to
the water holes. Oh, and the park is inhabited by several prides of lions
.... just to keep you motivated.

There you go, a diet as effective as the 2lbs/day starvation diet. Heck,
it's more effective! Running from them lions works your cardiovascular
system! Bonus! Furthermore, guaranteed zero drop outs!

That's only just the beginning. I imagine a few more that would work, too.
There's the "Mermaid Diet" (TM) where you can only eat raw fish, that you
catch yourself, with your bare teeth. There's the "Parisian Runway Model's
Diet" (TM) but its a bit controversial as the participant must circumvent a
few pesky drug enforcement laws. Then there's the "Hannibal Lectur Diet"
(TM) where you can only eat ... well, I don't want to give too much away,
but let's just say it's very similar to the "Alive! Diet" (TM) and the
"Lifeboat Diet" (TM). And I won't even mention the "Nazi Concentration Camp
Diet" (TM).

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>So why do you criticise Atkins and low carb diets so much.

Because the failure rates are astronomically high. What other reason
would you need?

On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 10:05:18 -0400, ".."

louisDOTjezsikATarinsoDOTcom said:

Astronomically high? Ha, ha! I suppose you have some research to back this
up?

Sure do.

And yet... And yet... The silence is nearly deafening. Anybody seen any
evidence around here. I think Mu the fish boner might have misplaced it.
Please help him. He needs it. Needs...

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What other reasons would you need to criticize Atkins?

That one is all I need although there are many, many others.

Still awfully silent, I'd say. Sounds like talk for the sake of talk.
Post to see words on a screen.

No information. Just more silence...

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I have no doubt your 2lb/day starvation diet will make people lose weight,

Oh, so that's why you won't take up the $50,000 challenge. And here I
thot you were braindead.

Right. You set conditions that are beyond absurd and wonder why he won't
take you up on your (I really believe it's real) diet "experiment?" I
really like your sincerity. I bet you're a virgin, right?

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Hell, I can come up with a diet that will make people lose weight too.

Go for it.

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In
fact I already have. It's called the "Wilderness Safari Diet" (TM). After a
bit of survival training, you're dropped into the middle of a warm, dry,
savannah plain....

That's realistic.

This is your criticism? You of the floppy shoes, lack of scientific
evidence, and big red wig? Realistic is a word in your vocabulary...?

There goes another irony meter...

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That's only just the beginning. I imagine a few more that would work, too.
There's the "Mermaid Diet" (TM) where you can only eat raw fish, that you
catch yourself, with your bare teeth.......

<snipped bunch of ranting and ridiculous bleating>

Oh, maybe you are braindead.

Or maybe you deal with all funny and serious demolitions of your silly
Two-Pound Diet with smokescreens like this. Hilarious. I like it even
better than when you squirt seltzer down your pants...

Pastorio

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>So why do you criticise Atkins and low carb diets so much.

Because the failure rates are astronomically high. What other reason
would you need?

Astronomically high? Ha, ha! I suppose you have some research to back

this

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up?

Sure do.

Naturarly, you don't offer any evidence of this research. Very typical of
you.

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What other reasons would you need to criticize Atkins?

That one is all I need although there are many, many others.

Many, many, eh? Well, list seven of them, then.

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I have no doubt your 2lb/day starvation diet will make people lose

weight,

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Oh, so that's why you won't take up the $50,000 challenge. And here I
thot you were braindead.

Pfft, here's a $50,000 challenge for you: I'll bet you can't hold your
breath underwater for ten minutes. I'll hold you down until the ten minutes
are up. Can you rise to the challenge? Are you a *player* or a pretender?

No, I didn't think so.

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That's only just the beginning. I imagine a few more that would work,

too.

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There's the "Mermaid Diet" (TM) where you can only eat raw fish, that you
catch yourself, with your bare teeth.......

<snipped bunch of ranting and ridiculous bleating>

How interesting; that's how most folks describe your posts.

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Oh, maybe you are braindead.

Or just have a sense of humor.

On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 13:19:52 -0400, ".."

louisDOTjezsikATarinsoDOTcom said:

Pfft, here's a $50,000 challenge for you: I'll bet you can't hold your
breath underwater for ten minutes. I'll hold you down until the ten minutes
are up. Can you rise to the challenge? Are you a *player* or a pretender?

$50,000 for you to come to Atlanta ad "beat" the 2PDiet.

Last offer.

In or out?

".." <louisDOTjezsikATarinsoDOTcom> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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"*Mu*" <[email hidden]> wrote

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So why do you criticise Atkins and low carb diets so much.

Because the failure rates are astronomically high. What other reason
would you need?

Astronomically high? Ha, ha! I suppose you have some research to back this
up? What other reasons would you need to criticize Atkins? I guess YOU
don't. How 'bout having some of your successful dieters tell us of their
successes rather than us listen to you rage in the wind?

I have no doubt your 2lb/day starvation diet will make people lose weight,
just as I have no doubt a 1000 calorie/day diet will do the same thing. The
clincher is whether or not your subjects will stick with the diet. If you
have to put an armed guard at the door to keep your "patients" from
cheating, well, let's just say you ain't gettin' rich any time soon, pal.

Hell, I can come up with a diet that will make people lose weight too. In
fact I already have. It's called the "Wilderness Safari Diet" (TM). After a
bit of survival training, you're dropped into the middle of a warm, dry,
savannah plain, about 500 square kilometres of uninhabited land. It's fenced
off. You must survive for three months using only your wits, a small knife,
various articles of personal effects, a small supply of food and a map to
the water holes. Oh, and the park is inhabited by several prides of lions
... just to keep you motivated.

There you go, a diet as effective as the 2lbs/day starvation diet. Heck,
it's more effective! Running from them lions works your cardiovascular
system! Bonus! Furthermore, guaranteed zero drop outs!

That's only just the beginning. I imagine a few more that would work, too.
There's the "Mermaid Diet" (TM) where you can only eat raw fish, that you
catch yourself, with your bare teeth. There's the "Parisian Runway Model's
Diet" (TM) but its a bit controversial as the participant must circumvent a
few pesky drug enforcement laws. Then there's the "Hannibal Lectur Diet"
(TM) where you can only eat ... well, I don't want to give too much away,
but let's just say it's very similar to the "Alive! Diet" (TM) and the
"Lifeboat Diet" (TM). And I won't even mention the "Nazi Concentration Camp
Diet" (TM).

Hey There, You are absolutely so damn funny! You made my day. Bluestockings

everyone already knows that Mu is nothing more than a troll, please
stop cross posting this stuff and giving him the attention he so
desperately seeks.

On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 10:05:18 -0400, ".."

louisDOTjezsikATarinsoDOTcom said:

"*Mu*" <[email hidden]> wrote

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So why do you criticise Atkins and low carb diets so much.

Because the failure rates are astronomically high. What other reason
would you need?

Astronomically high? Ha, ha! I suppose you have some research to back this
up? What other reasons would you need to criticize Atkins? I guess YOU
don't. How 'bout having some of your successful dieters tell us of their
successes rather than us listen to you rage in the wind?

I have no doubt your 2lb/day starvation diet will make people lose weight,
just as I have no doubt a 1000 calorie/day diet will do the same thing. The
clincher is whether or not your subjects will stick with the diet. If you
have to put an armed guard at the door to keep your "patients" from
cheating, well, let's just say you ain't gettin' rich any time soon, pal.

Hell, I can come up with a diet that will make people lose weight too. In
fact I already have. It's called the "Wilderness Safari Diet" (TM). After a
bit of survival training, you're dropped into the middle of a warm, dry,
savannah plain, about 500 square kilometres of uninhabited land. It's fenced
off. You must survive for three months using only your wits, a small knife,
various articles of personal effects, a small supply of food and a map to
the water holes. Oh, and the park is inhabited by several prides of lions
... just to keep you motivated.

There you go, a diet as effective as the 2lbs/day starvation diet. Heck,
it's more effective! Running from them lions works your cardiovascular
system! Bonus! Furthermore, guaranteed zero drop outs!

That's only just the beginning. I imagine a few more that would work, too.
There's the "Mermaid Diet" (TM) where you can only eat raw fish, that you
catch yourself, with your bare teeth. There's the "Parisian Runway Model's
Diet" (TM) but its a bit controversial as the participant must circumvent a
few pesky drug enforcement laws. Then there's the "Hannibal Lectur Diet"
(TM) where you can only eat ... well, I don't want to give too much away,
but let's just say it's very similar to the "Alive! Diet" (TM) and the
"Lifeboat Diet" (TM). And I won't even mention the "Nazi Concentration Camp
Diet" (TM).

But is the "Nazi Concentration Camp
Diet" kosher??

Mack <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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everyone already knows that Mu is nothing more than a troll, please
stop cross posting this stuff and giving him the attention he so
desperately seeks.

On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 10:05:18 -0400, ".."

louisDOTjezsikATarinsoDOTcom said:

"*Mu*" <[email hidden]> wrote

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>So why do you criticise Atkins and low carb diets so much.

Because the failure rates are astronomically high. What other reason
would you need?

Astronomically high? Ha, ha! I suppose you have some research to back this
up? What other reasons would you need to criticize Atkins? I guess YOU
don't. How 'bout having some of your successful dieters tell us of their
successes rather than us listen to you rage in the wind?

I have no doubt your 2lb/day starvation diet will make people lose weight,
just as I have no doubt a 1000 calorie/day diet will do the same thing. The
clincher is whether or not your subjects will stick with the diet. If you
have to put an armed guard at the door to keep your "patients" from
cheating, well, let's just say you ain't gettin' rich any time soon, pal.

Hell, I can come up with a diet that will make people lose weight too. In
fact I already have. It's called the "Wilderness Safari Diet" (TM). After a
bit of survival training, you're dropped into the middle of a warm, dry,
savannah plain, about 500 square kilometres of uninhabited land. It's fenced
off. You must survive for three months using only your wits, a small knife,
various articles of personal effects, a small supply of food and a map to
the water holes. Oh, and the park is inhabited by several prides of lions
... just to keep you motivated.

There you go, a diet as effective as the 2lbs/day starvation diet. Heck,
it's more effective! Running from them lions works your cardiovascular
system! Bonus! Furthermore, guaranteed zero drop outs!

That's only just the beginning. I imagine a few more that would work, too.
There's the "Mermaid Diet" (TM) where you can only eat raw fish, that you
catch yourself, with your bare teeth. There's the "Parisian Runway Model's
Diet" (TM) but its a bit controversial as the participant must circumvent a
few pesky drug enforcement laws. Then there's the "Hannibal Lectur Diet"
(TM) where you can only eat ... well, I don't want to give too much away,
but let's just say it's very similar to the "Alive! Diet" (TM) and the
"Lifeboat Diet" (TM). And I won't even mention the "Nazi Concentration Camp
Diet" (TM).