That was chilly

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Out cycling the lanes of Norfolk this morning in a temperature of -5C

Brrrr! Glad I was wearing my longjohns and thermal layers 🙂

It was lovely though - the trees & fields all white with frost, still air,
foggy then fading to misty, groups of pheasants huddling together fluffing
up their feathers to keep warm; hearing the leaves breaking off tress and
falling to the ground. It was bracing!

Chers, helen s

Sounds like a great ride, helen. I had it just a tad warmer at 0C for a 16
mile ride yesterday morning. There was no wind so it seemed quite
comfortable.

Beverly

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Out cycling the lanes of Norfolk this morning in a temperature of -5C

Brrrr! Glad I was wearing my longjohns and thermal layers 🙂

It was lovely though - the trees & fields all white with frost, still
air,
foggy then fading to misty, groups of pheasants huddling together
fluffing
up their feathers to keep warm; hearing the leaves breaking off tress and
falling to the ground. It was bracing!

Chers, helen s

Sounds like a great ride, helen. I had it just a tad warmer at 0C for a
16
mile ride yesterday morning. There was no wind so it seemed quite
comfortable.

Beverly

Lack of wind for me today too (note to self, eat beans...) and that
stillness of air is a wonderful thing. At the end of the ride this morning,
I noticed in the front hedge of someone's garden, there was a fabulous red
rose bush growing through the hedge. It was in full bloom and all of the
lovely red roses had a petticoat edging of white frost. It was a "wish I'd
brought my camera" moment.

Cheers, helen s

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Out cycling the lanes of Norfolk this morning in a temperature of -5C

Brrrr! Glad I was wearing my longjohns and thermal layers 🙂

It was lovely though - the trees & fields all white with frost, still air,
foggy then fading to misty, groups of pheasants huddling together fluffing
up their feathers to keep warm; hearing the leaves breaking off tress and
falling to the ground. It was bracing!

Chers, helen s

Beautiful morning ride today for me too. I did a forest/mountain/ocean
loop. It was quite chilly on one descent in the woods, I was glad to have
my arm warmers with me, otherwise the temp was 76F when I got home.

I'm from Hampton. I waited until 11am and enjoyed a 54F ride. I was so
nice, I wore shorts.

wil

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Out cycling the lanes of Norfolk this morning in a temperature of -5C

Brrrr! Glad I was wearing my longjohns and thermal layers 🙂

It was lovely though - the trees & fields all white with frost, still air,
foggy then fading to misty, groups of pheasants huddling together fluffing
up their feathers to keep warm; hearing the leaves breaking off tress and
falling to the ground. It was bracing!

Chers, helen s

I'm from Hampton. I waited until 11am and enjoyed a 54F ride. I was so
nice, I wore shorts.

wil

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Out cycling the lanes of Norfolk this morning in a temperature of -5C

Brrrr! Glad I was wearing my longjohns and thermal layers 🙂

It was lovely though - the trees & fields all white with frost, still air,
foggy then fading to misty, groups of pheasants huddling together fluffing
up their feathers to keep warm; hearing the leaves breaking off tress and
falling to the ground. It was bracing!

Chers, helen s

I'm from Hampton. I waited until 11am and enjoyed a 54F ride. I was so
nice, I wore shorts.

wil

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Out cycling the lanes of Norfolk this morning in a temperature of -5C

Brrrr! Glad I was wearing my longjohns and thermal layers 🙂

It was lovely though - the trees & fields all white with frost, still air,
foggy then fading to misty, groups of pheasants huddling together fluffing
up their feathers to keep warm; hearing the leaves breaking off tress and
falling to the ground. It was bracing!

Chers, helen s

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I'm from Hampton. I waited until 11am and enjoyed a 54F ride. I was so
nice, I wore shorts.

How nice do you have to be to wear shorts?

Wil Withers said:

I'm from Hampton. I waited until 11am and enjoyed a 54F ride. I was
so nice, I wore shorts.

As opposed to...a thong?

Bill "sideshowbobshudder.wav" S.

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Out cycling the lanes of Norfolk this morning in a temperature of
-5C

Brrrr! Glad I was wearing my longjohns and thermal layers 🙂

It was lovely though - the trees & fields all white with frost,
still air, foggy then fading to misty, groups of pheasants
huddling together fluffing up their feathers to keep warm; hearing
the leaves breaking off tress and falling to the ground. It was
bracing!

Chers, helen s

Beautiful morning ride today for me too. I did a
forest/mountain/ocean loop. It was quite chilly on one descent in
the woods, I was glad to have my arm warmers with me, otherwise the
temp was 76F when I got home.

76F and you had arm warmers????

Yikes! I'd be dying of heat exhaustion!

--
Eric Babula
Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA

(50F and over, and it's t-shirt weather.)

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Beautiful morning ride today for me too. I did a
forest/mountain/ocean loop. It was quite chilly on one descent in
the woods, I was glad to have my arm warmers with me, otherwise the
temp was 76F when I got home.

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76F and you had arm warmers????

Yikes! I'd be dying of heat exhaustion!

Having arm warmers and wearing them are two distinct things. I've been on
many rides where I've worn arm- and knee-warmers AND a vest -- and also
removed them all and zipped down the jersey.

Bill "changing for changing conditions" S.

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Beautiful morning ride today for me too. I did a
forest/mountain/ocean loop. It was quite chilly on one descent
in the woods, I was glad to have my arm warmers with me,
otherwise the temp was 76F when I got home.

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76F and you had arm warmers????

Yikes! I'd be dying of heat exhaustion!

Having arm warmers and wearing them are two distinct things. I've
been on many rides where I've worn arm- and knee-warmers AND a vest
-- and also removed them all and zipped down the jersey.

Bill "changing for changing conditions" S.

Good point. I pretty much inferred that the arm warmers were worn, and
the temp was 76F. Maybe I misunderstood.

--
Eric Babula
Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA

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> Beautiful morning ride today for me too. I did a
> forest/mountain/ocean loop. It was quite chilly on one descent
> in the woods, I was glad to have my arm warmers with me,
> otherwise the temp was 76F when I got home.

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76F and you had arm warmers????

Yikes! I'd be dying of heat exhaustion!

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Having arm warmers and wearing them are two distinct things. I've
been on many rides where I've worn arm- and knee-warmers AND a vest
-- and also removed them all and zipped down the jersey.

Bill "changing for changing conditions" S.

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Good point. I pretty much inferred that the arm warmers were worn, and
the temp was 76F. Maybe I misunderstood.

Yeah, I think so. "Human Powered" apparently is coastal, and it can go from
downright cold to downright hot in a matter of meters out here! (Things
like shade, slope, wind, etc. make BIG differences on some days; other times
not so much.)

That's not to say we ain't softies compared to you midwestern,
ice-stuck-to-your-nose-hairs types! 🙂

Bill "spoiled by 23+ years in San Diego" S.

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>>Beautiful morning ride today for me too. I did a
>>forest/mountain/ocean loop. It was quite chilly on one descent
>>in the woods, I was glad to have my arm warmers with me,
>>otherwise the temp was 76F when I got home.

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>76F and you had arm warmers????
>
>Yikes! I'd be dying of heat exhaustion!

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Having arm warmers and wearing them are two distinct things. I've
been on many rides where I've worn arm- and knee-warmers AND a vest
-- and also removed them all and zipped down the jersey.

Bill "changing for changing conditions" S.

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Good point. I pretty much inferred that the arm warmers were worn, and
the temp was 76F. Maybe I misunderstood.

Yeah, I think so. "Human Powered" apparently is coastal, and it can go from
downright cold to downright hot in a matter of meters out here! (Things
like shade, slope, wind, etc. make BIG differences on some days; other times
not so much.)

That's not to say we ain't softies compared to you midwestern,
ice-stuck-to-your-nose-hairs types! 🙂

Temperatures are relative, if your used to all year 'round temps of
20-25C then 15C can seem down right freezing. Around here, in September
10C is cold, in March the same 10C is T-shirt and shorts weather, but
that's because it's been below 0C for nearly four months. Arm and leg
warmers are great for in between weather. For example yesterday I
started with T-shirt, sweat shirt and wind proof jacket. 5km into the
ride I took off the sweat-shirt, and stuffed it into my bag. Kept the
windproof jacket and T-shirt.

W

W

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>>"Human powered" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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>>>Beautiful morning ride today for me too. I did a
>>>forest/mountain/ocean loop. It was quite chilly on one descent
>>>in the woods, I was glad to have my arm warmers with me,
>>>otherwise the temp was 76F when I got home.

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>>76F and you had arm warmers????
>>
>>Yikes! I'd be dying of heat exhaustion!

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>Having arm warmers and wearing them are two distinct things.
>I've been on many rides where I've worn arm- and knee-warmers AND
>a vest -- and also removed them all and zipped down the jersey.
>
>Bill "changing for changing conditions" S.

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Good point. I pretty much inferred that the arm warmers were worn,
and the temp was 76F. Maybe I misunderstood.

Yeah, I think so. "Human Powered" apparently is coastal, and it
can go from downright cold to downright hot in a matter of meters
out here! (Things like shade, slope, wind, etc. make BIG
differences on some days; other times not so much.)

That's not to say we ain't softies compared to you midwestern,
ice-stuck-to-your-nose-hairs types! 🙂

Temperatures are relative, if your used to all year 'round temps of
20-25C then 15C can seem down right freezing. Around here, in
September 10C is cold, in March the same 10C is T-shirt and shorts
weather, but that's because it's been below 0C for nearly four
months. Arm and leg warmers are great for in between weather. For
example yesterday I started with T-shirt, sweat shirt and wind
proof jacket. 5km into the ride I took off the sweat-shirt, and
stuffed it into my bag. Kept the windproof jacket and T-shirt.

W

Yep, it all depends on what you're used to.

--
Eric Babula
Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA

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> "Human powered" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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>> Beautiful morning ride today for me too. I did a
>> forest/mountain/ocean loop. It was quite chilly on one descent
>> in the woods, I was glad to have my arm warmers with me,
>> otherwise the temp was 76F when I got home.

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> 76F and you had arm warmers????
>
> Yikes! I'd be dying of heat exhaustion!

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Having arm warmers and wearing them are two distinct things. I've
been on many rides where I've worn arm- and knee-warmers AND a vest
-- and also removed them all and zipped down the jersey.

Bill "changing for changing conditions" S.

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Good point. I pretty much inferred that the arm warmers were worn, and
the temp was 76F. Maybe I misunderstood.

Yeah, I think so. "Human Powered" apparently is coastal, and it can go
from downright cold to downright hot in a matter of meters out here!
(Things like shade, slope, wind, etc. make BIG differences on some days;
other times not so much.)

That's not to say we ain't softies compared to you midwestern,
ice-stuck-to-your-nose-hairs types! 🙂

Bill "spoiled by 23+ years in San Diego" S.

Yes, I'm on the coast. I'm about 500 miles north of San Diego. And yes
Bill is right, in the summer one can be huffing up 9 percent grades at 95
degrees and then descend at 40 mph with dense fog and mid 50s temps.

On this particular ride the arm warmers were needed for one fast descent in
the woods (probably mid 50s temperature). The temperature for the rest of
the ride was mid to upper 70s, which is about 20 degrees warmer than many of
our July and August rides. In January and February I'll leave for morning
rides with the temp at high 30s and low 40s. Some of those rides I'll get
caught in torrential downpours. So it's not as gnarly as midwest or
northeast riding, but we've got some weather challenges. (not speaking for
San Diego cyclists who get like 3 rain storms a year and think a low temp is
67 degrees 🙂

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> Eric Babula wrote:
>> "Human powered" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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>>> Beautiful morning ride today for me too. I did a
>>> forest/mountain/ocean loop. It was quite chilly on one descent
>>> in the woods, I was glad to have my arm warmers with me,
>>> otherwise the temp was 76F when I got home.

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>> 76F and you had arm warmers????
>>
>> Yikes! I'd be dying of heat exhaustion!

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> Having arm warmers and wearing them are two distinct things. I've
> been on many rides where I've worn arm- and knee-warmers AND a vest
> -- and also removed them all and zipped down the jersey.
>
> Bill "changing for changing conditions" S.

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Good point. I pretty much inferred that the arm warmers were worn,
and the temp was 76F. Maybe I misunderstood.

Yeah, I think so. "Human Powered" apparently is coastal, and it can
go from downright cold to downright hot in a matter of meters out
here! (Things like shade, slope, wind, etc. make BIG differences on
some days; other times not so much.)

That's not to say we ain't softies compared to you midwestern,
ice-stuck-to-your-nose-hairs types! 🙂

Bill "spoiled by 23+ years in San Diego" S.

Yes, I'm on the coast. I'm about 500 miles north of San Diego. And
yes Bill is right, in the summer one can be huffing up 9 percent
grades at 95 degrees and then descend at 40 mph with dense fog and
mid 50s temps.
On this particular ride the arm warmers were needed for one fast
descent in the woods (probably mid 50s temperature). The temperature
for the rest of the ride was mid to upper 70s, which is about 20
degrees warmer than many of our July and August rides. In January
and February I'll leave for morning rides with the temp at high 30s
and low 40s. Some of those rides I'll get caught in torrential
downpours. So it's not as gnarly as midwest or northeast riding, but
we've got some weather challenges. (not speaking for San Diego
cyclists who get like 3 rain storms a year and think a low temp is 67
degrees 🙂

Jealous? 🙂 Actually, you'd be surprised. Some of our early morning
mountain bike rides are downright cold (mid to high 20s not THAT far
inland); also plenty of snow in our "East County" areas -- sometimes
freakin' DEEP!

Still, in San Diego proper it's rare to have temps much below low 40s; and
it only rains on yoga days, anyway ;-)

Bill "softened up from my youth back east" S.

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Eric Babula wrote:
> "Bill Sornson" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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>> Eric Babula wrote:
>>> "Human powered" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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>>>> Beautiful morning ride today for me too. I did a
>>>> forest/mountain/ocean loop. It was quite chilly on one descent
>>>> in the woods, I was glad to have my arm warmers with me,
>>>> otherwise the temp was 76F when I got home.

>>> 76F and you had arm warmers????
>>>
>>> Yikes! I'd be dying of heat exhaustion!

>> Having arm warmers and wearing them are two distinct things. I've
>> been on many rides where I've worn arm- and knee-warmers AND a vest
>> -- and also removed them all and zipped down the jersey.
>>
>> Bill "changing for changing conditions" S.

> Good point. I pretty much inferred that the arm warmers were worn,
> and the temp was 76F. Maybe I misunderstood.

Yeah, I think so. "Human Powered" apparently is coastal, and it can
go from downright cold to downright hot in a matter of meters out
here! (Things like shade, slope, wind, etc. make BIG differences on
some days; other times not so much.)

That's not to say we ain't softies compared to you midwestern,
ice-stuck-to-your-nose-hairs types! 🙂

Bill "spoiled by 23+ years in San Diego" S.

Yes, I'm on the coast. I'm about 500 miles north of San Diego. And
yes Bill is right, in the summer one can be huffing up 9 percent
grades at 95 degrees and then descend at 40 mph with dense fog and
mid 50s temps.
On this particular ride the arm warmers were needed for one fast
descent in the woods (probably mid 50s temperature). The temperature
for the rest of the ride was mid to upper 70s, which is about 20
degrees warmer than many of our July and August rides. In January
and February I'll leave for morning rides with the temp at high 30s
and low 40s. Some of those rides I'll get caught in torrential
downpours. So it's not as gnarly as midwest or northeast riding, but
we've got some weather challenges. (not speaking for San Diego
cyclists who get like 3 rain storms a year and think a low temp is 67
degrees 🙂

Jealous? 🙂 Actually, you'd be surprised. Some of our early morning
mountain bike rides are downright cold (mid to high 20s not THAT far
inland); also plenty of snow in our "East County" areas -- sometimes
freakin' DEEP!

Still, in San Diego proper it's rare to have temps much below low 40s; and
it only rains on yoga days, anyway ;-)

Bill "softened up from my youth back east" S.

First real snowstorm of the year here (real defined as it's staying on
the ground), probably about 2-3 cm. Just enough to make one cautious.
However the temperature was mild (-1C or about -8C with the windchill)
so it was not too bad.
John Kane, Kingston ON Canada

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>>"Bill Sornson" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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>>>Eric Babula wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Human powered" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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>>>>>Beautiful morning ride today for me too. I did a
>>>>>forest/mountain/ocean loop. It was quite chilly on one descent
>>>>>in the woods, I was glad to have my arm warmers with me,
>>>>>otherwise the temp was 76F when I got home.
>
>>>>76F and you had arm warmers????
>>>>
>>>>Yikes! I'd be dying of heat exhaustion!
>
>>>Having arm warmers and wearing them are two distinct things. I've
>>>been on many rides where I've worn arm- and knee-warmers AND a vest
>>>-- and also removed them all and zipped down the jersey.
>>>
>>>Bill "changing for changing conditions" S.
>
>
>>Good point. I pretty much inferred that the arm warmers were worn,
>>and the temp was 76F. Maybe I misunderstood.
>
>Yeah, I think so. "Human Powered" apparently is coastal, and it can
>go from downright cold to downright hot in a matter of meters out
>here! (Things like shade, slope, wind, etc. make BIG differences on
>some days; other times not so much.)
>
>That's not to say we ain't softies compared to you midwestern,
>ice-stuck-to-your-nose-hairs types! 🙂
>
>Bill "spoiled by 23+ years in San Diego" S.
>
>

Yes, I'm on the coast. I'm about 500 miles north of San Diego. And
yes Bill is right, in the summer one can be huffing up 9 percent
grades at 95 degrees and then descend at 40 mph with dense fog and
mid 50s temps.
On this particular ride the arm warmers were needed for one fast
descent in the woods (probably mid 50s temperature). The temperature
for the rest of the ride was mid to upper 70s, which is about 20
degrees warmer than many of our July and August rides. In January
and February I'll leave for morning rides with the temp at high 30s
and low 40s. Some of those rides I'll get caught in torrential
downpours. So it's not as gnarly as midwest or northeast riding, but
we've got some weather challenges. (not speaking for San Diego
cyclists who get like 3 rain storms a year and think a low temp is 67
degrees 🙂

Jealous? 🙂 Actually, you'd be surprised. Some of our early morning
mountain bike rides are downright cold (mid to high 20s not THAT far
inland); also plenty of snow in our "East County" areas -- sometimes
freakin' DEEP!

Still, in San Diego proper it's rare to have temps much below low 40s; and
it only rains on yoga days, anyway ;-)

Bill "softened up from my youth back east" S.

First real snowstorm of the year here (real defined as it's staying on
the ground), probably about 2-3 cm. Just enough to make one cautious.
However the temperature was mild (-1C or about -8C with the windchill)
so it was not too bad.

Time to order those studded tires from Finland for the MTB, and put the
road bike into hibernation.... I saw, about an hour ago, just as I was
leaving work, an old duffer on an fully fendered upright bike, pootering
along in the blowing snow. He was actually going at a fair clip.....

EC is forcasting 13C by Monday, so the snow will all go away again,
which IMHO is a good thing. This time of year, I wish I had a rich
uncle in the West Indies who needed someone to watch his beach house....

W

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First real snowstorm of the year here (real defined as it's staying on
the ground), probably about 2-3 cm. Just enough to make one cautious.
However the temperature was mild (-1C or about -8C with the windchill)
so it was not too bad.

Time to order those studded tires from Finland for the MTB, and put the
road bike into hibernation.... I saw, about an hour ago, just as I was
leaving work, an old duffer on an fully fendered upright bike, pootering
along in the blowing snow. He was actually going at a fair clip.....

That's hardly surprising. One nice thing about biking and walking is that
NOTHING slows you down. (Well, except waiting for traffic. My walk to
school this morning took about two or three minutes longer than usual,
which is (not coincidentally) about the time I spent waiting to cross
streets that normally have a short-enough-to-not-notice wait time.)

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EC is forcasting 13C by Monday, so the snow will all go away again,
which IMHO is a good thing.

Yeah, but that's not until Monday (and it's supposed to come along with
rain). 'Round here we're already at -20C with the windchill, and the
pre-windchill temperature is supposed to drop another 3-4 degrees tonight.

Perfect weather to take the day off work tomorrow to go wander around
on the Toronto waterfront before winter sets in (why let weather get in
the way of a mental health day?).

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This time of year, I wish I had a rich
uncle in the West Indies who needed someone to watch his beach house....

I did a co-op work term working for somebody who claimed one goal for
the business was to open a branch office in Australia. Of course he'd
need to spend half the year there overseeing their operations, and it
should be easy enough to guess which half he was thinking of...

I think I'd prefer somewhere as non-maritime as possible, even if I would
have to find something other than meditating near large bodies of water to
do for mental health days. As long as the humidity stays low all year,
I don't care what the temperature does. (Which means I'm definitely in
the wrong climate right now.)

dave
(once heard rumours that Canadians talk about weather more than anybody else)

--
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I just had a silly mental image of pushing "the president's English", but I
refuse to speak like Dubya does.
--Derick Siddoway in the scary devil monastery