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  1. I rode the Iron Horse race this weekend, Masters 40-44, no chance to
    place, but it is fun to try to get a good time and ride with a pack.
    The first real hill on the ride is Shalona, short at about 1.5 miles,
    but steep enough.
    The peleton is still pretty much together as we come over a roller,
    speeds are around 20 mph, down to the base of Shalona. The fast guys
    will climb the hill at 10-11 mph, I can usually go about 8.5, there is a
    lot movement in the group, getting in position for the climb ahead. This
    is really the start of the race.

    Just that quick, I hear the sound of bikes, asphalt and flesh mixing it
    up. I see about 10 feet in front, just off to the right, a mess of 5-7
    guys and their bikes. I hit the hooks and easily make it around, in less
    than 2 seconds my involvement is over. But the sound of the crash sticks
    with me, all the way to Silverton.

    I had a terrible ride, I was well prepared, but had an off day, not as
    bad as those guys. I don't think anyone was seriously hurt, but I'ld
    guess that some of them in the pile didn't finish the race. I had never
    heard the sound of a crash that close up, but others I mentioned it to,
    and had experienced, seemed to have the same feeling. It is a horrible
    sound, I hope to never hear it again.

    --
    Craig Brossman, Durango Colorado
    (remove ".nospam" to reply)

  2. "Craig Brossman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I rode the Iron Horse race this weekend, Masters 40-44, no chance to
    place, but it is fun to try to get a good time and ride with a pack.
    The first real hill on the ride is Shalona, short at about 1.5 miles,
    but steep enough.
    The peleton is still pretty much together as we come over a roller,
    speeds are around 20 mph, down to the base of Shalona. The fast guys
    will climb the hill at 10-11 mph, I can usually go about 8.5, there is a
    lot movement in the group, getting in position for the climb ahead. This
    is really the start of the race.

    Just that quick, I hear the sound of bikes, asphalt and flesh mixing it
    up. I see about 10 feet in front, just off to the right, a mess of 5-7
    guys and their bikes. I hit the hooks and easily make it around, in less
    than 2 seconds my involvement is over. But the sound of the crash sticks
    with me, all the way to Silverton.

    I had a terrible ride, I was well prepared, but had an off day, not as
    bad as those guys. I don't think anyone was seriously hurt, but I'ld
    guess that some of them in the pile didn't finish the race. I had never
    heard the sound of a crash that close up, but others I mentioned it to,
    and had experienced, seemed to have the same feeling. It is a horrible
    sound, I hope to never hear it again.

    --
    Craig Brossman, Durango Colorado
    (remove ".nospam" to reply)


    I just had a similar experience on last Tuesday nite's hammer fest. Most of
    us in the group are not racers, and I'm certainly not, but we do enjoy
    riding fast on a short week night ride. After thousands of miles of riding I
    have little experience with falling...my own or others, and have watched
    about 2 crits in my life. Anyway, we're in a tight group, one mile into a 28
    mile ride, I'm about 5 riders back and suddenly hear several bike tires
    squeeling, a crashing sound and then suddenly bike wheels appear rubber side
    up moving along in the pack at the same speed as the slowing group. By the
    time I get up to the area of the victim I see the young woman who is on her
    first ride with our group on the soft grassy shoulder of the road. She gets
    up, quickly checks wheels and brakes and is back on the bike. No road
    rash...just mud. She hung with us the rest of the ride. She's young, brand
    new to cycling, dates a racer, and is really, really fast. She'll race and
    do well. But the sight and sound really got to me for the rest of the
    ride...it's not like on TV.

    jb

  3. Jim Boyer wrote:
    :: "Craig Brossman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    :: news:[email hidden]...
    ::: I rode the Iron Horse race this weekend, Masters 40-44, no chance to
    ::: place, but it is fun to try to get a good time and ride with a pack.
    ::: The first real hill on the ride is Shalona, short at about 1.5
    ::: miles, but steep enough.
    ::: The peleton is still pretty much together as we come over a roller,
    ::: speeds are around 20 mph, down to the base of Shalona. The fast guys
    ::: will climb the hill at 10-11 mph, I can usually go about 8.5, there
    ::: is a lot movement in the group, getting in position for the climb
    ::: ahead. This is really the start of the race.
    :::
    ::: Just that quick, I hear the sound of bikes, asphalt and flesh
    ::: mixing it up. I see about 10 feet in front, just off to the right,
    ::: a mess of 5-7 guys and their bikes. I hit the hooks and easily make
    ::: it around, in less than 2 seconds my involvement is over. But the
    ::: sound of the crash sticks with me, all the way to Silverton.
    :::
    ::: I had a terrible ride, I was well prepared, but had an off day, not
    ::: as bad as those guys. I don't think anyone was seriously hurt, but
    ::: I'ld guess that some of them in the pile didn't finish the race. I
    ::: had never heard the sound of a crash that close up, but others I
    ::: mentioned it to, and had experienced, seemed to have the same
    ::: feeling. It is a horrible sound, I hope to never hear it again.
    :::
    ::: --
    ::: Craig Brossman, Durango Colorado
    ::: (remove ".nospam" to reply)
    :::
    :: I just had a similar experience on last Tuesday nite's hammer fest.
    :: Most of us in the group are not racers, and I'm certainly not, but
    :: we do enjoy riding fast on a short week night ride. After thousands
    :: of miles of riding I have little experience with falling...my own or
    :: others, and have watched about 2 crits in my life. Anyway, we're in
    :: a tight group, one mile into a 28 mile ride, I'm about 5 riders back
    :: and suddenly hear several bike tires squeeling, a crashing sound and
    :: then suddenly bike wheels appear rubber side up moving along in the
    :: pack at the same speed as the slowing group. By the time I get up to
    :: the area of the victim I see the young woman who is on her first
    :: ride with our group on the soft grassy shoulder of the road. She
    :: gets up, quickly checks wheels and brakes and is back on the bike.
    :: No road rash...just mud. She hung with us the rest of the ride.
    :: She's young, brand new to cycling, dates a racer, and is really,
    :: really fast. She'll race and do well. But the sight and sound really
    :: got to me for the rest of the ride...it's not like on TV.
    ::
    :: jb

    Damn....I go on an organized 35-mile ride this weekend. I think I'll stay
    off to myself instead of pack-riding, which I have no experience at. Plus,
    I just went clipless so I don't want issues with that, either.

  4. Roger Zoul said:

    ::
    :: jb

    Damn....I go on an organized 35-mile ride this weekend. I think I'll stay
    off to myself instead of pack-riding, which I have no experience at. Plus,
    I just went clipless so I don't want issues with that, either.

    Good luck on the ride Roger. Keep cool, and relaxed. Get some pics you
    can put up on a website, maybe, eh?

    -B
    (and if the wolfbane is blooming, say your prayers. <g>😉

  5. Roger Zoul said:

    Damn....I go on an organized 35-mile ride this weekend. I think I'll stay
    off to myself instead of pack-riding, which I have no experience at. Plus,
    I just went clipless so I don't want issues with that, either.

    Well, this was a race atmosphere, probably about 70 guys, which is a lot
    by my standards. Clipless should not pose a problem till you stop, at
    least then it is not a high speed crash 🙂
    --
    Craig Brossman, Durango Colorado
    (remove ".nospam" to reply)

  6. Roger Zoul said:

    Damn....I go on an organized 35-mile ride this weekend. I think I'll
    stay off to myself instead of pack-riding, which I have no experience
    at. Plus, I just went clipless so I don't want issues with that,
    either.

    Just stay on the back of the pack until you get used to riding with it. That
    way you won't risk taking anybody else down.
    Ask for some advice on how to adjust speed with the pack and what signs to
    look out for. Everybody will/should pass down warnings of potholes and other
    obstructions etc.

    --
    Perre

    You have to be smarter than a robot to reply.

  7. Roger Zoul said:


    Damn....I go on an organized 35-mile ride this weekend. I think I'll stay
    off to myself instead of pack-riding, which I have no experience at. Plus,
    I just went clipless so I don't want issues with that, either.

    Don't let it worry you too much. Pack racing, or fast training rides,
    can be dicey, especially if there are newbies in the pack. But ordinary
    rides are usually perfectly fine. Don't make any sudden moves,
    communicate (things like "pothole" or "glass" or "car back"😉 and be
    aware of the position of riders around you.

    Once caveat. Watch who you ride with. If someone looks squirrely - not
    maintaining a good straight line, not maintaining a consistent pace, not
    paying attention, etc. - just stay away from them. Ride near someone else.

    I have a few good friends that I stay at least ten feet away from when
    we're on bikes. At least one of those, I prefer thirty feet.

    Of course, we're assuming you won't be one of those riders! ;-)

    --
    --------------------+
    Frank Krygowski [To reply, remove rodent and vegetable dot com,
    replace with cc.ysu dot edu]

  8. Frank Krygowski said:


    Don't let it worry you too much. Pack racing, or fast training rides,
    can be dicey, especially if there are newbies in the pack. But ordinary
    rides are usually perfectly fine. Don't make any sudden moves,
    communicate (things like "pothole" or "glass" or "car back"😉 and be
    aware of the position of riders around you.

    Oh, and whatever you do, keep your front wheel clear. One cause of a
    group crash is someone getting their front wheel bumped by another
    rider's back wheel.

    --
    --------------------+
    Frank Krygowski [To reply, remove rodent and vegetable dot com,
    replace with cc.ysu dot edu]

  9. Frank Krygowski wrote:
    :: Roger Zoul wrote:
    :::
    ::: Damn....I go on an organized 35-mile ride this weekend. I think
    ::: I'll stay off to myself instead of pack-riding, which I have no
    ::: experience at. Plus, I just went clipless so I don't want issues
    ::: with that, either.
    ::
    :: Don't let it worry you too much. Pack racing, or fast training
    :: rides,
    :: can be dicey, especially if there are newbies in the pack. But
    :: ordinary rides are usually perfectly fine. Don't make any sudden
    :: moves,
    :: communicate (things like "pothole" or "glass" or "car back"😉 and be
    :: aware of the position of riders around you.
    ::

    Good stuff.

    :: Once caveat. Watch who you ride with. If someone looks squirrely -
    :: not maintaining a good straight line, not maintaining a consistent
    :: pace, not paying attention, etc. - just stay away from them. Ride
    :: near someone else.
    ::
    :: I have a few good friends that I stay at least ten feet away from
    :: when
    :: we're on bikes. At least one of those, I prefer thirty feet.
    ::
    :: Of course, we're assuming you won't be one of those riders! ;-)
    ::

    🙂 Good point. I've been okay with my riding buddies, but I've not done any
    riding beyond pairs. I do pay attention, though, and I think I'm fairly
    consistent unless I'm pounding up a hard hill....then I can be a little
    weird in that the bike my veer in either direction...

  10. Craig Brossman wrote:
    :: Roger Zoul wrote:
    ::
    ::
    ::: Damn....I go on an organized 35-mile ride this weekend. I think
    ::: I'll stay off to myself instead of pack-riding, which I have no
    ::: experience at. Plus, I just went clipless so I don't want issues
    ::: with that, either.
    :::
    :::
    ::
    :: Well, this was a race atmosphere, probably about 70 guys, which is a
    :: lot
    :: by my standards. Clipless should not pose a problem till you stop, at
    :: least then it is not a high speed crash 🙂

    Right! I haven't crashed since last Saturday (when I went clipless and
    crashed 3 times). I've had 3 rides since then...

  11. Badger_South wrote:
    :: On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 15:08:01 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
    :: <[email hidden]> wrote:
    ::
    :::::
    ::::: jb
    :::
    ::: Damn....I go on an organized 35-mile ride this weekend. I think
    ::: I'll stay
    ::: off to myself instead of pack-riding, which I have no experience
    ::: at. Plus,
    ::: I just went clipless so I don't want issues with that, either.
    ::
    :: Good luck on the ride Roger. Keep cool, and relaxed. Get some pics
    :: you
    :: can put up on a website, maybe, eh?

    You mean take a camera? Oh, no man! Where would I put it?

    ::
    :: -B
    :: (and if the wolfbane is blooming, say your prayers. <g>😉

    🙂

  12. Frank Krygowski said:
    Roger Zoul said:


    Damn....I go on an organized 35-mile ride this weekend. I think I'll stay
    off to myself instead of pack-riding, which I have no experience at.
    Plus,
    I just went clipless so I don't want issues with that, either.

    Don't let it worry you too much. Pack racing, or fast training rides,
    can be dicey, especially if there are newbies in the pack. But ordinary
    rides are usually perfectly fine. Don't make any sudden moves,
    communicate (things like "pothole" or "glass" or "car back"😉 and be
    aware of the position of riders around you.

    Once caveat. Watch who you ride with. If someone looks squirrely - not
    maintaining a good straight line, not maintaining a consistent pace, not
    paying attention, etc. - just stay away from them. Ride near someone else.

    I have a few good friends that I stay at least ten feet away from when
    we're on bikes. At least one of those, I prefer thirty feet.

    Of course, we're assuming you won't be one of those riders! ;-)

    When I have ridden in large packs, most folks are not shy about giving
    advice/warnings to others riding poorly, especially the more
    experienced. I suppose it is not a bad thing, the wreck you save may be
    your own.

    I second the importance of knowing the other riders, and this assesment
    can usually be done very quickly.

    --
    Craig Brossman, Durango Colorado
    (remove ".nospam" to reply)

  13. Roger Zoul said:

    You mean take a camera? Oh, no man! Where would I put it?

    Strap it to your rack.

    Whaddya mean you haven't got a rack?
    --
    Rick Onanian

  14. Rick Onanian wrote:
    :: On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:49:49 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
    :: <[email hidden]> wrote:
    ::: You mean take a camera? Oh, no man! Where would I put it?
    ::
    :: Strap it to your rack.
    ::
    :: Whaddya mean you haven't got a rack?

    No....should I have a rack? You mean over the rear wheel, right? I'd
    rather get another bike and put a rack on that bike...then I could ride to
    the store and shop and stuff. 🙂 Gotta have a reason for bike number 2
    anyway, right?

  15. Roger Zoul said:

    Rick Onanian wrote:
    :: Whaddya mean you haven't got a rack?

    No....should I have a rack? You mean over the rear wheel, right? I'd

    Well, you should have a rack (yes, over the rear wheel) if you want
    to bring a camera. Another option is a backpack, or a [censored] pack.
    Cameras don't fit well in other common bicycle cargo-implements. A
    handlebar bag would work, but they carry a big aero penalty, and can
    be difficult to fit on modern bikes with cables sticking out all
    over the place.

    Quoted message said:

    rather get another bike and put a rack on that bike...then I could ride to
    the store and shop and stuff. 🙂 Gotta have a reason for bike number 2
    anyway, right?

    Well, I suppose it could be an excuse for bike #2, but I put the
    rack on the bike I ride on the road all the time. I get to put all
    sorts of snacks on it for long rides, and I even get to use it for
    shopping.

    Of course, my difficulty with adding bikes is logistical; where do I
    put yet another bike? I've already got a pile of 'em outside...
    --
    Rick Onanian

  16. Rick Onanian <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Roger Zoul said:

    Rick Onanian wrote:
    :: Whaddya mean you haven't got a rack?

    No....should I have a rack? You mean over the rear wheel, right? I'd

    Well, you should have a rack (yes, over the rear wheel) if you want
    to bring a camera. Another option is a backpack, or a [censored] pack.
    Cameras don't fit well in other common bicycle cargo-implements. A
    handlebar bag would work, but they carry a big aero penalty, and can
    be difficult to fit on modern bikes with cables sticking out all
    over the place.

    Nah you just need a smaller camera. One that can fit in a jersey
    pocket, like the canon s400.

  17. "Rick Onanian" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Roger Zoul said:

    Rick Onanian wrote:


    snipped

    Quoted message said:

    A
    handlebar bag would work, but they carry a big aero penalty,

    Not as big as the human body directly behind it.

    Quoted message said:

    and can
    be difficult to fit on modern bikes with cables sticking out all
    over the place.


    Not if you you have Campy Brifters. All cables are under the handlebar
    tape.
    Cheers

  18. Rick Onanian said:

    A
    handlebar bag would work, but they carry a big aero penalty, and can
    be difficult to fit on modern bikes with cables sticking out all
    over the place.

    I agree that STI cables can make a handlebar bag a bit tricky, but I've
    successfully installed such a bag anyway.

    Regarding the aerodynamics: I'm not sure if there's any aero penalty.
    I almost always run a handlebar bag, and I almost always outcoast people
    of equal weight. If the bag is hurting, it can't be hurting much.

    Aerodynamics is a tricky subject. That's why they have wind tunnels. I
    recall reading recently that "aero" (i.e. razor-thin) seatposts are
    actually worse than round ones, and that tri-style water bottles behind
    the seat are actually worse than bottles in the frame, as shown by wind
    tunnel tests. Don't know if I could find the citation, though.

    --
    --------------------+
    Frank Krygowski [To reply, remove rodent and vegetable dot com,
    replace with cc.ysu dot edu]

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