Thanks much

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 02:10:24 GMT, Stephen Nagler <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

As with Mu, I say to you that your insensitivity and intolerance are the antithesis of all that is
Christian.

Then you have no clue, no right, to express your ideologies about Christ's life.

Jesus took few "intellectualized" prisoners like you. He openly challenged the Jewish, He went to
the Temple Mount and kicked moneychanger (Annas' controlled Mafia) butt, He took to task all, like
you, who practice this ridiculous doctrine that you are not accountable.

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And as with Mu, be you two people or one

C'mon, Stephen, for once make a definitive choice and stick by it.

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, I believe we are done now.

According to you, we were "done" several days ago.

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Mu_nrise Through The Shadow said:

On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:04:33 GMT, Stephen Nagler <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

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All I asked is that the fanatics here recognize that my beliefs are just as legitimate as theirs.

I am sure you do and I am here to tell you once again that your beliefs, whatever theological
foundations you base them on (and I have no idea what those are since you are neither a Jew
professing Judaism or a theist professing theism) are bound to nothing if they do not embrace
Christ as the Son Of God.

..................

... which is precisely why you are not a very Christian person.

I believe we are done now.

smn

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

All I asked is that the fanatics here recognize that my beliefs are just as legitimate as theirs.

I am sure you do and I am here to tell you once again that your beliefs, whatever theological
foundations you base them on (and I have no idea what those are since you are neither a Jew
professing Judaism or a theist professing theism) are bound to nothing if they do not embrace
Christ as the Son Of God.

..................

Stephen Nagler said:

... which is precisely why you are not a very Christian person.

Having expressly and continuously displayed your disdain for Christianity, espousing your own set of
made-up ideologies, I would have expected no less from you.

Stephen, I hope you will find Christ sooner than you have found the exit door, for several days now,
you have informed us on SCM that you are taking.

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I believe we are done now.

We will see, won't we?

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Stephen Nagler <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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(John9212112) said:

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Message seems pretty clear to me: Man is not good enough to speak directly to God and therefore
needs Jesus.

But he didn't say that. He proposes a question. Then he states what the answer to that question
is for himself, leaving it entirely open as to what you feel the answer is for you. Or me.

...............

Maybe you are right. But that sure wasn't my sense of it.

Very easy to settle, though.

Let Dr. Chung post here and now that in his opinion I [Stephen Nagler] can pray directly to God
and be effectively heard - heard as well as any Christian - without my needing Jesus, and I will
certainly stand corrected.

Consider yourself corrected then.

I *know* that you (Stephen Nagler) and any other sinful person in this world (myself humbly
included) can pray directly to God and be heard by Him. This would be an act of your free will.
Whether your prayer will be "effective" would be an act of His will.

However, Jesus has promised that as our Savior, when we petition His Father through prayer as a
believer in Christ's name, that our prayers will be "effective."

From John 16:

23In that day you will no longer ask me anything. I tell you the truth, my Father will give you
whatever you ask in my name. 24Until now you have not asked for anything in my name. Ask and you
will receive, and your joy will be complete.

May God add His blessings to the writing of His Word here on Usenet.

Humbly,

Andrew

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On 29 Dec 2003 21:03:22 -0800, [email hidden] (Dr. Andrew B.

Chung said:

Stephen Nagler <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

(John9212112) said:

>Message seems pretty clear to me: Man is not good enough to speak directly to God and therefore
>needs Jesus.

But he didn't say that. He proposes a question. Then he states what the answer to that question
is for himself, leaving it entirely open as to what you feel the answer is for you. Or me.

...............

Maybe you are right. But that sure wasn't my sense of it.

Very easy to settle, though.

Let Dr. Chung post here and now that in his opinion I [Stephen Nagler] can pray directly to God
and be effectively heard - heard as well as any Christian - without my needing Jesus, and I will
certainly stand corrected.

Consider yourself corrected then.

I *know* that you (Stephen Nagler) and any other sinful person in this world (myself humbly
included) can pray directly to God and be heard by Him. This would be an act of your free will.
Whether your prayer will be "effective" would be an act of His will.

However, Jesus has promised that as our Savior, when we petition His Father through prayer as a
believer in Christ's name, that our prayers will be "effective."

From John 16:

23In that day you will no longer ask me anything. I tell you the truth, my Father will give you
whatever you ask in my name. 24Until now you have not asked for anything in my name. Ask and you
will receive, and your joy will be complete.

................

More double talk, Chung. Verbal masturbation.

When I say "being equally heard," I mean "being equally effective."

And you damned well know it.

Sheesh. What a jerk! I sure hope you give your patients more credit for intelligence than you give
the readership here.

smn

Stephen Nagler <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Chung, I haven't heard so much double-talk since I saw Norm Crosby perform at a night club a few
years ago.

Glad you've been entertained.

Quoted message said:

As with Mu, I say to you that your insensitivity and intolerance are the antithesis of all that is
Christian.

It sounds like you know very little about being christian. Accepting Christ as ones Lord and Savior
means to embrace the truth. Being truthful often means not being politically correct. Certainly you
may perceive this to be "insensitivity" or "intolerance" but, in truth, it is not.

A christian is going to tell you that without Christ, you are doomed. This is out of neither
insensitivity nor intolerance but from what
s/he knows to be true. If this were from either insensitivity or intolerance, this information would
be accompanied by hateful insults or threats of violence/terrorism (or the Usenet equivalent: the
killfile).

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And as with Mu, be you two people or one, I believe we are done now.

We are done when God judges us.

I'm glad that Christ is representing me.

Don't you wish He were representing you?

See:

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You do know that He is a fellow physician, the greatest healer of all time.

Only the Creator would know how to "fix" something as wonderfully complex as a human being.

See:

heartmdphd.comhealer.aspOpen ↗

You truly remain in my prayers, neighbor.

Humbly,

Andrew

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Mu_nrise Through The Shadow said:

According to you, we were "done" several days ago.

...........

Then please stop e-mailing me. Lunch with you and Chung at Blimpies in Mableton, Georgia. Get
real, troll.

smn

On 29 Dec 2003 23:12:26 -0800, [email hidden] (Dr. Andrew B.

Chung said:

We are done when God judges us.

..................

No.

We are done when I say we are.

Because this is cyber-space. And in cyber-space if I do not click on you name, you do not exist.

Bye!

smn

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 05:31:39 GMT, Stephen Nagler <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

More double talk, Chung. Verbal masturbation.

When I say "being equally heard," I mean "being equally effective."

And you damned well know it.

Sheesh. What a jerk! I sure hope you give your patients more credit for intelligence than you give
the readership here.

I certainly hope the readership here gives your posts the credibility they deserve since you have
consistently lied about leaving, exiting gracefully, for days on end.

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On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 05:31:39 GMT, Stephen Nagler <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

More double talk, Chung. Verbal masturbation.

A Chung specialty. <g>

Quoted message said:

When I say "being equally heard," I mean "being equally effective."

And you damned well know it.

Of course, but remember he can't admit to ANYTHING even slightly different from his beliefs.

Quoted message said:

Sheesh. What a jerk! I sure hope you give your patients more credit for intelligence than you give
the readership here.

Religious fanatics don't work by intelligence. He won't "get" your comment. Ever. Matt

Stephen Nagler <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

MD/PhD) said:

Stephen Nagler <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

On 29 Dec 2003 20:15:18 GMT, [email hidden] (John9212112) wrote:

>>Message seems pretty clear to me: Man is not good enough to speak directly to God and
>>therefore needs Jesus.
>
>But he didn't say that. He proposes a question. Then he states what the answer to that
>question is for himself, leaving it entirely open as to what you feel the answer is for you.
>Or me.
>

...............

Maybe you are right. But that sure wasn't my sense of it.

Very easy to settle, though.

Let Dr. Chung post here and now that in his opinion I [Stephen Nagler] can pray directly to God
and be effectively heard - heard as well as any Christian - without my needing Jesus, and I
will certainly stand corrected.

Consider yourself corrected then.

I *know* that you (Stephen Nagler) and any other sinful person in this world (myself humbly
included) can pray directly to God and be heard by Him. This would be an act of your free will.
Whether your prayer will be "effective" would be an act of His will.

However, Jesus has promised that as our Savior, when we petition His Father through prayer as a
believer in Christ's name, that our prayers will be "effective."

From John 16:

23In that day you will no longer ask me anything. I tell you the truth, my Father will give you
whatever you ask in my name. 24Until now you have not asked for anything in my name. Ask and you
will receive, and your joy will be complete.

................

More double talk, Chung. Verbal masturbation.

They are not my words but the Word of God.

Quoted message said:

When I say "being equally heard," I mean "being equally effective."

Then you should henceforth say what you mean rather than act like Satan and speak from the side of
your mouth. It is Satan who is the master-deceiver and not Christ.

Quoted message said:

And you damned well know it.

According to the New Testament of the Bible, tt is you who stand condemned by God until you accept
Christ as your Lord and Savior.

Quoted message said:

Sheesh. What a jerk!

Just because you can't handle the truth does not mean I am obligated to renounce it for
your benefit.

Quoted message said:

I sure hope you give your patients more credit
for intelligence than you give the readership here.

At least I see patients.

You remain in my prayers, neighbor.

Hope you have a more enlightening New Years.

Humbly,

Andrew

--
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Mu_nrise Through The Shadow said:

Stephen Nagler said:

All I asked is that the fanatics here recognize that my beliefs are just as legitimate as theirs.

I am sure you do and I am here to tell you once again

That is YOUR belief. You think YOUR belief is better than his belief. You are clearly a very
intolerant person. Typical of religious fanatics.

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Stephen but eyes that refuse to open see nothing.

ROTFL again. Talk about eyes closed. Your mind too, it seems. <gggggg>

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I wonder how many other potential participants here have been similarly turned off.

I wonder how many have been drawn to Christ because of it.

Perhaps all the potential fanatics? Only they would be drawn to such intolerance.

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Religion is between man and God - not between man and man.

Really? then all the churches and all the synagogues, where people meet man to man, are a
waste of time.

According to you, yes. Or do you accept, as equally valid, other religions. No? I didn't think so.

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I sincerely hope that you find your way.

He seems to be doing quite well compared to the fanatics. Matt

Mu_nrise Through The Shadow said:

Quoted message said:

Sheesh. What a jerk! I sure hope you give your patients more credit for intelligence than you give
the readership here.

I certainly hope the readership here gives your posts the credibility they deserve

Yes, we do. Your hope is more than fulfilled.

Quoted message said:

since you have consistently lied about leaving, exiting gracefully, for days on end.

We all know how much you want him to leave so you can have the group all to yourself. You can't
stand ANY competition. Matt

Mu_nrise Through The Shadow said:

Stephen Nagler said:

As with Mu, I say to you that your insensitivity and intolerance are the antithesis of all that is
Christian.

Then you have no clue, no right, to express your ideologies

This statement shows that you are the epitome of insensitivity and intolerance. Typical religious
fanaticism, though.

Quoted message said:

According to you, we were "done" several days ago.

We all know how much you want him to leave. It is VERY apparent from the number of times you keep
saying it. <g> Matt

On 29 Dec 2003 23:12:26 -0800, [email hidden] (Dr. Andrew B.

Chung said:

Stephen Nagler <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Chung, I haven't heard so much double-talk since I saw Norm Crosby perform at a night club a few
years ago.

Glad you've been entertained.

It IS funny. <g>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

As with Mu, I say to you that your insensitivity and intolerance are the antithesis of all that
is Christian.

It sounds like you know very little about being christian.

He knows more about being a REAL Christian. Religious fanatics are not real Christians.

Quoted message said:

Certainly you may perceive this to be "insensitivity" or "intolerance" but, in truth, it is not.

Religious fanatics have a different view of truth. Thank you for verifying that.

Quoted message said:

If this were from either insensitivity or intolerance, this information would be accompanied by
hateful insults

Your continuous insults are proof of your intolerance. Glad you agree.

Quoted message said:

Don't you wish He were representing you?

He is, although YOU will deny it. Religious fanatics have a different view of truth.

<a small fanfare> OK, Chung, here's your cue for yet another religious preaching rant. Ready.....
set..... go! <g> Matt

On 30 Dec 2003 08:43:02 -0800, [email hidden] (Dr. Andrew B.

Chung said:

Quoted message said:

More double talk, Chung. Verbal masturbation.

They are not my words but the Word of God.

Good old predictable Chung. Always drag out the religious rant when you can't come up with anything
else. Lost it again, I see.

Quoted message said:

It is Satan who is the master-deceiver

You're in big trouble, master-deceiver. <g>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Sheesh. What a jerk!

Just because you can't handle the truth does not mean I am obligated to renounce it for
your benefit.

Religious fanatics have a different view of truth.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I sure hope you give your patients more credit
for intelligence than you give the readership here.

At least I see patients.

God help them. Matt

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 03:45:21 GMT, Stephen Nagler <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Then please stop e-mailing me. Lunch with you and Chung at Blimpies in Mableton, Georgia. Get
real, troll.

I replied to the email you sent me since you were no longer supposed to be involved in SMC, by your
own regular and repeated, insincere admissions.

Whose the troll now?

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On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 08:36:20 GMT, Stephen Nagler <[email hidden]>

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No.

We are done when I say we are.

Seriously, are you EVER going to leave?

Quoted message said:

Because this is cyber-space. And in cyber-space if I do not click on you name, you do not exist.

Bye!

To date, the word "bye" has meant "see you tomorrow" which, accompanied with your ever changing,
functionless "theologies", makes damn near anything you say or stand for suspect.

Since it appears that you cannot use your free will to freely leave this newsgroup, hows about we
get back to the Mu=Chung issue that you so clumsily dodged a few days ago.

I gave you a hefty list of topics Chung could not have expertise in and, now, and again, I ask you
to quiz me on them.

Stephen, this is your chance to either be a hero to the trolls who have duped you into believing Mu-
Chung or it will be your Usenet undoing. Time to face the piper that you called into being.

Balls in your court.

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Stephen Nagler <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

MD/PhD) said:

We are done when God judges us.

..................

No.

We are done when I say we are.

You think it is all about you, don't you?

Quoted message said:

Because this is cyber-space. And in cyber-space if I do not click on you name, you do not exist.

The ostrich effect.

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Bye!

In a word... *fear*

Humbly,

Andrew

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Stephen Nagler <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Mu_nrise Through The Shadow said:

According to you, we were "done" several days ago.

...........

Then please stop e-mailing me. Lunch with you and Chung at Blimpies in Mableton, Georgia. Get
real, troll.

You seem fearful, neighbor.

You remain in my prayers.

May you have a less fearful New Years.

Humbly,

Andrew

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