Understood. However, just keep this exchange in mind the next time you feel the urge to claim that I haven't watched enough elite level track racing, and/or try to paint me as being out-of-touch with 'da proz'. Here I live thousands of miles away, but I go to see a World Cup that's practically in your backyard and you don't...
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Yes, one visit has cured you. I expect your insights to improve immeasurably. ;-)
There are many good DVD's of elite track racing available. A person can learn even more by talking with people who are good at the events (or have extensive experience ) while you watch the DVD's or live action together. The track infield offers many learning possibilities.
So I assume I can look forward to hours in the saddle with sustaind efforts around the 155w (my current LT test power) at a significantly lower cadence than what I am used to, recovery ride the day after, and some interval max work slipped in there as well. Yea, I know I should get a coach, but the $x00's per month right now is bad timing.
WarrenG said:
I'm not sure that those cadence differences are really the issue. If your slow fibers aren't good then you'll be using lots of fast fibers to produce your power at relatively low power levels and you will tend to produce more lactate. I used to be that way much more than now. In my case, and maybe in yours too, my body tried to adapt to the generally high level of lactate by handling it fairly well. In the end though, it's pretty much impossible to get to your full potential in that way.
If you can develop your ability much better (that what you appear to have now) below the intensities that illicit 4mmol/l, and then train what appears to be your good potential above that intensity you could end up being a pretty good bike racer in many events, if you care about that. You'd also get much better at 2-3 hour rides with your buddies if that interests you more.
Yes, one visit has cured you. I expect your insights to improve immeasurably. ;-)
There are many good DVD's of elite track racing available. A person can learn even more by talking with people who are good at the events (or have extensive experience ) while you watch the DVD's or live action together. The track infield offers many learning possibilities.
Hey Solar Energy! Are you about ready for a refill on that lemonade? :-)
Yes, one visit has cured you. I expect your insights to improve immeasurably. ;-)
See, there you go again (to quote Reagan): why do you assume that this is the first time I have ever been to see elite (not masters) level track racing? I can assure you, it isn't - in fact, my guess is that I've been to see more such races than you have.
See, there you go again (to quote Reagan): why do you assume that this is the first time I have ever been to see elite (not masters) level track racing? I can assure you, it isn't - in fact, my guess is that I've been to see more such races than you have.
Uh, no I did not think this was the first time you've been to see elite track races. IIRC you went to Worlds last year.
But my point is the same. Watch a high level points race with someone who is, or has been good at that event and you could learn far more than just by watching it without the expert around-especially WRT the many subtle tactics involved.
A person can learn even more by talking with people who are good at the events (or have extensive experience ) while you watch the DVD's or live action together.
You mean elite world and/or national champions like Lucy Tyler and my wife, or masters world and/or national champions like Trey Gannon* and Jim Martin? What a novel idea! 😄
(*Here's some trivia for you: I first met Trey when he served as a subject in my dissertation research, back when he still thought of himself as a criterium specialist/prime chaser like Davis "Cash Register" Phinney. It was only after that that he found his true niche as a match sprinter...)
You mean elite world and/or national champions like Lucy Tyler and my wife, or masters world and/or national champions like Trey Gannon* and Jim Martin? What a novel idea! 😄
(*Here's some trivia for you: I first met Trey when he served as a subject in my dissertation research, back when he still thought of himself as a criterium specialist/prime chaser like Davis "Cash Register" Phinney. It was only after that that he found his true niche as a match sprinter...)
You wash over relevant details like the fact that your wife and Lucy were pursuiters and Jim stopped racing long ago. Dunno about Trey but I don't remember him racing in the last 15+ years nor at a high-level in points races. So yeah, relevant expertise is the point. Hopefully you did learn something from their expertise, and if you did you have supported my earlier point.
More trivia for you: Who do you suppose was the first person to ever measure Colby Pearce's VO2max and LT? (Answer: me.) Who was the unnamed exercise physiologist who was cited by Chris Witty a couple of years ago as helping her adapt her favorite speed skating workouts to track cycling? (Answer: Jim - but we talk a lot.) Who have I traded email with today? (Answer: among others, an endurance rider who is currently a member of the US talent pool, and a three-time Olympian and silver medalist in the points race.) Where was my track SRM up until a week or so ago? (Answer: in Bobby Leah's hands in Tasmania.) Who else have I loaned that same crank to in return for data? (Answer: among others, Shaun Wallace, Becky Conzelman, and Brad Huff.) And finally: how much do you think I paid to get into the ADT Event Center on Saturday? (Answer: nothing.)
But hey, what do I know? I'm just some yahoo ivory tower academic type who is completely out of touch with reality...
You wash over relevant details like the fact that your wife and Lucy were pursuiters
Just an FYI: while Lucy is probably best known for her success in the pursuit, she was also the bronze medalist in the points race at the 1996 Olympics, 4th at worlds in the points race in 1998, and prior to that (in 1993) set the world record for the 500 m. That's on top of who knows how many national titles she won as a citizen of the US and then Australia (and then the USA again). IOW, she was a far more versatile rider than you're making her out to have been. (She's also manic-depressive and probably as a result, controversial as hell, but that's a different story.)
Just an FYI: while Lucy ...IOW, she was a far more versatile rider than you're making her out to have been. (She's also manic-depressive and probably as a result, controversial as hell, but that's a different story.)
I certainly wouldn't be telling other people that I was hanging out with her. After seeing her for the first time last year I can see why questions about her physicalcality could lead to "controversy", especially since her husband (at the time) got suspended from cycling after testing positive for testosterone doping. Since you're in an FYI mood, she walked around the infield at Masters Track Worlds last year wearing an old t-shirt that says" buck fuddy" across the front of it. Ugh!
I certainly wouldn't be telling other people that I was hanging out with her. After ...
Allow me to introduce you to this concept in civilized discussion. It's called "the line." You just crossed it.
If you insist on carrying out this bizaare vendetta with someone who is clearly more informed than you, go for it. But trying to drag other athletes into it by calling them hirsuite, and saying they hang out with dopers? It's so childishly beyond the pale that I'm embarassed for you.
Allow me to introduce you to this concept in civilized discussion. It's called "the line." You just crossed it.
If you insist on carrying out this bizaare vendetta with someone who is clearly more informed than you, go for it. But trying to drag other athletes into it by calling them hirsuite, and saying they hang out with dopers? It's so childishly beyond the pale that I'm embarassed for you.
Interesting take on that. Andy brought up her and part of the reasons for her "controversy". And he mentions her as some kind of mentor for himself. I choose to not hang out with people like that.
Interesting take on that. Andy brought up her and part of the reasons for her "controversy". And he mentions her as some kind of mentor for himself. I choose to not hang out with people like that.
Not a mentor - just a former elite rider with whom I've had some contact. And yeah, Lucy can seem a little (or a lot) off-the-wall. However, she's never done anything to harm me, I have no reason to question her ethics, and I try not to judge people on their looks, so...<shrug>
Not a mentor - just a former elite rider with whom I've had some contact. And yeah, Lucy can seem a little (or a lot) off-the-wall. However, she's never done anything to harm me, I have no reason to question her ethics, and I try not to judge people on their looks, so...<shrug>
Good enough. Aren't most serious racers a bit off-the-wall? "Abby something. Abby-normal."
I recently had an LT analysis ((blood) and VO2 test done. I'm a 51 year old strong recreational cyclist. My test was a mixed bag. Good news (I think)is my VO2 measured out at 60.2. However, my LT nukmbers were VERY low...138 bpm with a 155 power. My power/weight ratio was awful at 2.15w/kg. So the question is, what do you recommend as a workout protocol to... 1 - increase my power/weight number 2 - increase my LT
That test doesn't seem to mean much. It looks wrong.
How do you feel riding at 155w at the moment? I guess you can ride very very long, probably longer than me 🙄
I JUST finished an hour on the computrainer. Used Spinscan mode at a 1 degree incline. Kept my cadence between 70-75, and my wattage around 155. My heartrate stayed bewtween 135-141 for the entire ride. I felt fine, could've gone more, but dinner called. The slower cadence made the 155 feel harder than at my usual 90-100 rpm.
SolarEnergy said:
That test doesn't seem to mean much. It looks wrong.
How do you feel riding at 155w at the moment? I guess you can ride very very long, probably longer than me 🙄
I JUST finished an hour on the computrainer. Used Spinscan mode at a 1 degree incline. Kept my cadence between 70-75, and my wattage around 155. My heartrate stayed bewtween 135-141 for the entire ride.
Did you do the VO2max test on this Computrainer, or on a different device? If the latter, the fact that your heart rate is quite comparable would lend confidence that the power data from the original test are correct (as it seems unlikely that both your Computrainer and whatever you used originally would be equally wrong). That raises another possibility, which is that the VO2 measurement might be off...can you describe the test protocol, and the final power that you achieved (and for how long)? At your weight and with your VO2max, you should have been made it to at least 350-375 W, perhaps even higher if you have a high anaerobic capacity and/or the rate of power increase were very rapid.
