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  1. Yesterday ... the arrogant bully quack, Terry The Terror Polevoy, who
    uses YET another cross dressing Troll, Ted Nidiffer (Nana) to lie for
    him and harass me and others ...

    Showed his infinite stupidity and how he dons disguises (one of the
    things he denies ... LOL) ... this time as "Vera Teasdale."

    He was caught with his pantyhose down ... attempted to nuke his post
    from google ... but not before Coleah captured his quotes and I got
    the entire post copied.

    Today ... he continues with his disguises ... truly pathetic Terror!

    Here is the heading where he gave himself away ... what a ditz!

    On 13 Jun 2004 13:42:29 -0700, [email hidden]
    ([email hidden]) wrote:

    Here is my post that sent cross dressing Terry into such a Tizzy that
    he gave himself away!

    Quoted message said:

    Ilena Rose <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:


    While Andy is on corporate salary continuing his assaults on me on
    this newsgroup filling it with his lies ... it would be a full time
    job correcting all of his garbage that he and the others in his posse
    write ...

    www.humanticsfoundation.com/andysposse.htm

    He is earning money while posting lies that I have to waste my time
    correcting.

    This is the SAME filthy tactics used by quackwatch and
    healthwatcher.net ... in fact .. .when Terry Polevoy was using his
    Bully tactics against the very woman the case going to the Supreme
    court is about ... this is what was published about this:

    www.humanticsfoundation.com/quacklibelsuit.htm

    Shared Vision > January 2001 > Natural Medicine

    Natural Medicine:
    BC Leads the Way

    By Lily G. Casura

    EXCERPT:

    Despite McPhee's popularity, her show was cancelled for what amounted
    to political reasons. "I can't stand the heat," said one of her
    bosses, in response to Polevoy's one-man e-mail-and-letter crusade to
    the station saying McPhee should be taken to task for promoting
    alternative medicine.

    "I'd have to hire someone part-time just to respond to his mailings."
    A colleague of McPhee's, a medical doctor also being persecuted by the
    Canadian Quackwatch, says she's received more than 100 e-mails from
    this man alone in recent months.

  2. It must be show time Ilena. But you forgot what was behind curtain #1.

    The decision by the three judges in the Appeals court in California
    was unanimous. You have to face the music. You will have to come back
    to the United States to face the music, only they in all likelihood
    won't be playing your tune.

    The rest of us just can't wait for the gavel to drop.

    Vera

    Metropolitan News-Enterprise

    Friday, October 17, 2003

    Page 1

    Web Poster Who Republishes Defamation May Be Liable—C.A.

    By KENNETH OFGANG, Staff Writer/Appellate Courts

    A recent federal law that immunizes users of interactive computer
    services from liability for content authored by others does not
    abrogate traditional liability for republication of material that one
    knows or reasonably should know to be false and defamatory, the First
    District Court of Appeal has ruled.

    Div. Two Wednesday breathed new life into claims by Dr. Terry Polevoy,
    a Canadian-based physician and operator of the "Quackbuster" website,
    that he was libeled in newsgroup postings by Ilena Rosenthal.
    The appellate panel overturned Alameda Superior Court Judge James
    Richman's dismissal of Polevoy's case under the anti-SLAPP statute.
    The court did, however, uphold the dismissal of claims by Polevoy's
    co-plaintiff, Dr. Stephen Barrett, saying Barrett did not prove he was
    likely to prevail.

    The Antagonists

    Rosenthal is an advocate of "alternative medicine," while Polevoy and
    Barrett have devoted themselves to combating "nonstandard" medical
    practices. In striking the plaintiffs' claims under Code of Civil
    Procedure Sec. 425.16, Richman ruled that even if Rosenthal defamed
    the pair in her postings, she was immune under Sec. 230 of the
    Communications Decency Act, which provides in part that "[n]o provider
    or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the
    publisher or speaker of any information provided by another
    information content provider."
    But Presiding Justice J. Anthony Kline, writing for the Court of
    Appeal, said Polevoy can still prevail if he proves that Rosenthal
    knew of the falsity of republished material from other sources
    accusing Polevoy of "stalking women" and various specific criminal
    acts.

    Legislative Intent

    The statutory reference to "publisher[s]" does not show legislative
    intent to confer absolute immunity, Kline wrote.
    Citing the U.S. Supreme Court's Gertz v. Robert Welch, Inc. decision,
    Kline wrote:

     "Legislative use of the legally uncertain word ‘publisher' is simply
    too flimsy a basis upon which to grant providers and users of
    interactive computer services what amounts to an ‘absolute protection'
    requiring the ‘total sacrifice of the competing value served by the
    law of defamation' and the subordination of ‘a concept at the root of
    any decent system of ordered liberty.'...When distinguishing the
    liability of publishers and distributors, eminent law professors
    writing scholarly articles in learned journals commonly use the word
    ‘publisher' to refer only to a primary publisher, even when their
    subject is the transmission of speech in cyberspace."
    The case is Barrett v. Rosenthal, 03 S.O.S. 5385.
    -----------------------------------------------------

    http:[email hidden]%3E/talk.politics.medicine

    The Rosenthal Case: A Translation

    No new territory is covered by the affirmation of the lower court's
    opinions
    regarding Grell and Barrett. Barrett was wrong in suing over
    Rosenthal's
    insults (though his feelings are understandable), and Grell was wrong
    in
    entering the suit as a plaintiff, suing Rosenthal, and encouraging
    Barrett to
    sue.

    However, the court was clearly distressed by the lower court's actions
    considering Polevoy, and was adamant in its opinion thereof: "[N]o
    reason
    appears why Rosenthal cannot be subjected to such liability, the trial
    court
    erred in finding that appellant Polevoy's defamation claim was barred
    by the
    statute." Opinion at 36-37 Rosenthal's actions "reflected actual
    malice."
    Opinion at 40


    "The record does not show, and Rosenthal has never claimed, that Bolen
    created
    or developed this information and furnished it to her under
    circumstances in
    which a reasonable person in her position would conclude that it was
    provided
    for publication on the Internet or other 'interactive computer
    service.'"
    Opinion at 4, Footnote 4

    Translation: Only an unreasonable person would have transmitted the
    information for public consumption, ie, that Rosenthal abused her
    position or
    acted unreasonably.

    The decision simply reaffirms that insulting someone may not be
    defamation.
    That's nothing new. On the other hand, it also reaffirms that making
    an
    accusation that someone is engaged in criminal activity (ie,
    "stalking"😉, rises
    far above a simple insult. That could be either libel or slander,
    depending
    upon the manner in which it is conveyed, and whether or not injury can
    be
    proved. So calling Barrett a "quack" isn't necessarily defamatory, but
    stating
    that Polevoy IS a stalker could be.

    "The charge of commission of some kind of crime is obviously libel per
    se." (5 Witkin, Summary of Cal. Law, supra, Torts, § 482, citing,
    generally,
    50
    Am.Jur.2d, Libel and Slander § 27 et seq.; Edwards v. San Jose
    Printing &
    Publishing Soc. (1893) 99 Cal. 431; Boyich v. Howell (1963) 221
    Cal.App.2d
    801.) (Opinion at 43)


    This is why the court affirmed the case as it applied to Barrett but
    reversed
    and remanded (sent it back to the lower court) for Polevoy. The
    Appellate
    court clearly believes that there are merits to Polevoy's claims.

    More to the point:
    "We find that the immunity available� does not bar the imposition
    of liability in this case, that malice and reckless disregard for the
    truth can
    be inferred from the circumstances, which include the failure to
    conduct a
    reasonable investigation regarding the truth of the accusation of
    criminal
    conduct and reliance on obviously biased sources, and that Polevoy was
    not
    required to plead special damages, as the republished statement was
    libelous
    per se." Opinion, 10-11

    That's pretty self-explanatory.

    I found this interesting: "We agree with appellants that the statute
    cannot be
    deemed to abrogate the common law principle that one who republishes
    defamatory
    matter originated by a third person is subject to liability if he or
    she knows
    or has reason to know of its defamatory character." Opinion at 13

    This is to prevent a "clever libeler" from using a Third Party to
    convey his or
    her defamatory statements - something that had struck me as an idea
    when I
    started reading this opinion. In other words, Person A wants to spread
    some
    bit of salacious defamation in public, but doesn't want to be held
    liable for
    it. Therefore, Person A conveys it to Person B, who then spreads it
    far and
    wide. Person A didn't spread it, and therefore wouldn't be liable. But
    Person
    B is only repeating what Person A said, and therefore shouldn't be
    liable. Uh
    uh, says the courts. No way - in this case, given the biased nature of
    Bolen,
    Rosenthal, were she reasonable and given her position, was probably in
    a
    position to determine the defamatory character of the information:
    "Given the
    close relationship Rosenthal had with Bolen, the longstanding
    hostility between
    Bolen and Polevoy, and the very substance of Bolen's accusations
    against
    Polevoy, Rosenthal must have been on notice of Bolen's enmity."
    Opinion at 39


    Later on the in opinion, as to the issue of Rosenthal's SLAPP motion,
    the court
    makes it clear that Rosenthal never based her SLAPP claim on the issue
    of the
    defamatory statements, but on the issue of malice and damages: "[H]er
    special
    motion to strike under the anti-SLAPP statute was not based on the
    truth of the
    statements that Polevoy engaged in criminal conduct nor did it deny
    she knew or
    had reason to know of the defamatory character of these statements.
    The motion
    was based solely on the grounds of the federal immunity, appellants
    inability
    to show actual malice, and their failure to plead special damages.
    Furthermore,
    Rosenthal has never asserted that, due to the technology or for any
    other
    reason, she could not easily withdraw and/or correct the allegedly
    defamatory
    materials she posted." Opinion at 36

    As to the issue of malice, the court said: "We do not believe these
    three
    findings (the findings of the trial court) support the conclusion that
    appellants failed to produce sufficient evidence of malice. On the
    contrary, we
    conclude that respondent Rosenthal's complete reliance upon sources
    known to be
    biased against appellant Polevoy provided her "obvious reasons to
    doubt the
    veracity of the informant or the accuracy of his reports." (McCoy v.
    Hearst
    Corp., supra, 42 Cal.3d at p. 860.)" Opinion at 38-39

    "Rosenthal's failure to consult a reliable source to verify a facially
    questionable accusation of criminal conduct supports appellants'
    claims that
    she entertained serious doubts as to the truth or falsity of the
    communication,
    and that her complete reliance on sources she knew to be biased, and
    therefore
    unreliable, reflected actual malice� Complete reliance on sources
    known to be
    biased-which, as we have said, is more than the mere failure to
    investigate-reflects on Rosenthal's subjective attitude and strongly
    suggests
    she entertained serious doubts regarding the truth of Bolen's
    accusations,
    certainly after she received notice of their false and defamatory
    character."
    Opinion at 40

    "Here the defendant not only failed to consult any reliable source as
    to the
    accuracy of criminal charges after being repeatedly notified they were
    false
    and defamatory, and instead consulted sources she knew to be biased
    against the
    accused, but she subsequently reposted the allegedly defamatory
    accusations 32
    times." Opinion at 41

    Then the opinion goes on to say that the trial court's decision on
    damages was
    based in part on their conclusion that Polevoy couldn't prove malice.
    But
    because Polevoy can probably prove malice, then there is no need to
    prove
    special damages: "as we have explained, Polevoy may be able to show
    malice;
    and a public figure plaintiff who can do so need not plead special
    damage if,
    as is also the case here, the alleged defamation consists of libel (or
    slander)
    per se." Opinion at 42

    " 'Special damage' means that the loss sustained by the plaintiff must
    be a
    particular loss, of a material nature, supported by specific evidence.
    Thus,
    'special
    damage' is to be contrasted with the 'general damage' that was
    traditionally
    presumed from the publication of a libel or any of the imputations
    that come
    within the rules of slander per se." (2 Harper et al., The Law of
    Torts, supra,
    § 5.14, at p. 114.)" Opinion at 41, Footnote 18

    As to the issue of Grell, the court found him culpable because not
    only did he
    erringly advocate for Barrett's suit against Rosenthal, but that he
    also
    entered the case as a plaintiff and named Rosenthal as a defendant in
    his own
    personal suit.

    In the end, the court believes in the distinct possibility that
    Rosenthal was
    acting out of malice and that Polevoy could prevail on his claims of
    defamation. Rosenthal cannot hide behind the claim that she was simply
    repeating the claims of Bolen, and that she did not engage in
    reasonable
    behavior for a person in her position.

    ... . . . .

    As Salaam Alekum, My Sistahs!

    Your Friend,
    AloysiousX

  3. Terry Polevoy ... QUACK ZIT DOCTOR

    Here are some facts:

    You are NOT a woman.

    Your name is NOT "Vera" ... it is Terry A Polevoy

    What the Judges wrote in October was substantially changed ... twice

    The details are here:

    www.humanticsfoundation.com/quacklibelsuit.htm

    The article to which you keep referring is no longer accurate.

    There is no real person named "Aloysius X" ... it is just "Marla" Mark
    Probert or Andy Langer or some other Flack Hack ... you quote this on
    your HateSite as if a real attorney (Marla lost her license, you
    forget) had written an accurate version of this case.

    The next step is not Superior Court ... it is the Supreme Court ...

    You made another VERY stupid mistake on Sunday and in your zeal to
    threaten me ... YOU exposed one of the disguises you use to harass
    people on Usenet ... You used your "Vera" alias but it was YOU ...
    there is no longer a question about you attacking people while
    disguised.

    The more you continue to call yourself "Vera" ... the more demented
    you appear.

    On 15 Jun 2004 06:29:26 -0700, [email hidden] (Terry A Polevoy,

    Quack) said:

    It must be show time Ilena. But you forgot what was behind curtain #1.

    The decision by the three judges in the Appeals court in California
    was unanimous. You have to face the music. You will have to come back
    to the United States to face the music, only they in all likelihood
    won't be playing your tune.

    The rest of us just can't wait for the gavel to drop.

    Vera

  4. Sunday ... the arrogant bully quack, Terry The Terror Polevoy, who
    uses YET another cross dressing Troll, Ted Nidiffer (Nana) to lie for
    him and harass me and others ...

    Showed his infinite stupidity and how he dons disguises (one of the
    things he denies ... LOL) ... this time as "Vera Teasdale."

    He was caught with his pantyhose down ... attempted to nuke his post
    from google ... but not before Coleah captured his quotes and I got
    the entire post copied.

    Today ... he continues with his disguises ... truly pathetic Terror!

    Here is the heading where he gave himself away ... what a ditz!

    On 13 Jun 2004 13:42:29 -0700, [email hidden]
    ([email hidden]) wrote:

    Here is my post that sent cross dressing Terry into such a Tizzy that
    he gave himself away!

    Quoted message said:

    Ilena Rose <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:


    While Andy is on corporate salary continuing his assaults on me on
    this newsgroup filling it with his lies ... it would be a full time
    job correcting all of his garbage that he and the others in his posse
    write ...

    www.humanticsfoundation.com/andysposse.htm

    He is earning money while posting lies that I have to waste my time
    correcting.

    This is the SAME filthy tactics used by quackwatch and
    healthwatcher.net ... in fact .. .when Terry Polevoy was using his
    Bully tactics against the very woman the case going to the Supreme
    court is about ... this is what was published about this:

    www.humanticsfoundation.com/quacklibelsuit.htm

    Shared Vision > January 2001 > Natural Medicine

    Natural Medicine:
    BC Leads the Way

    By Lily G. Casura

    EXCERPT:

    Despite McPhee's popularity, her show was cancelled for what amounted
    to political reasons. "I can't stand the heat," said one of her
    bosses, in response to Polevoy's one-man e-mail-and-letter crusade to
    the station saying McPhee should be taken to task for promoting
    alternative medicine.

    "I'd have to hire someone part-time just to respond to his mailings."
    A colleague of McPhee's, a medical doctor also being persecuted by the
    Canadian Quackwatch, says she's received more than 100 e-mails from
    this man alone in recent months.

  5. NOTE TO DWOOD: Stop sending me your whining, self interested emails.
    If you don't want to read my postings ... then move your little mouse
    elsewhere.

    As I explained ...

    Sunday ... the arrogant bully quack, Terry The Terror Polevoy, who
    uses YET another cross dressing Troll, Ted Nidiffer (Nana) to lie for
    him and harass me and others ...

    Showed his infinite stupidity and how he dons disguises (one of the
    things he denies ... LOL) ... this time as "Vera Teasdale."

    He was caught with his pantyhose down ... attempted to nuke his post
    from google ... but not before Coleah captured his quotes and I got
    the entire post copied.

    Today ... he continues with his disguises ... truly pathetic Terror!

    Here is the heading where he gave himself away ... what a ditz!

    On 13 Jun 2004 13:42:29 -0700, [email hidden]
    ([email hidden]) wrote:

    Here is my post that sent cross dressing Terry into such a Tizzy that
    he gave himself away!

    Quoted message said:

    Ilena Rose <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:


    While Andy is on corporate salary continuing his assaults on me on
    this newsgroup filling it with his lies ... it would be a full time
    job correcting all of his garbage that he and the others in his posse
    write ...

    www.humanticsfoundation.com/andysposse.htm

    He is earning money while posting lies that I have to waste my time
    correcting.

    This is the SAME filthy tactics used by quackwatch and
    healthwatcher.net ... in fact .. .when Terry Polevoy was using his
    Bully tactics against the very woman the case going to the Supreme
    court is about ... this is what was published about this:

    www.humanticsfoundation.com/quacklibelsuit.htm

    Shared Vision > January 2001 > Natural Medicine

    Natural Medicine:
    BC Leads the Way

    By Lily G. Casura

    EXCERPT:

    Despite McPhee's popularity, her show was cancelled for what amounted
    to political reasons. "I can't stand the heat," said one of her
    bosses, in response to Polevoy's one-man e-mail-and-letter crusade to
    the station saying McPhee should be taken to task for promoting
    alternative medicine.

    "I'd have to hire someone part-time just to respond to his mailings."
    A colleague of McPhee's, a medical doctor also being persecuted by the
    Canadian Quackwatch, says she's received more than 100 e-mails from
    this man alone in recent months.

  6. STFU Ilena.

    "Ilena Rose" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    NOTE TO DWOOD: Stop sending me your whining, self interested emails.
    If you don't want to read my postings ... then move your little mouse
    elsewhere.

    As I explained ...

    Sunday ... the arrogant bully quack, Terry The Terror Polevoy, who
    uses YET another cross dressing Troll, Ted Nidiffer (Nana) to lie for
    him and harass me and others ...

    Showed his infinite stupidity and how he dons disguises (one of the
    things he denies ... LOL) ... this time as "Vera Teasdale."

    He was caught with his pantyhose down ... attempted to nuke his post
    from google ... but not before Coleah captured his quotes and I got
    the entire post copied.

    Today ... he continues with his disguises ... truly pathetic Terror!

    Here is the heading where he gave himself away ... what a ditz!

    On 13 Jun 2004 13:42:29 -0700, [email hidden]
    ([email hidden]) wrote:

    Here is my post that sent cross dressing Terry into such a Tizzy that
    he gave himself away!

    Quoted message said:

    Ilena Rose <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    While Andy is on corporate salary continuing his assaults on me on
    this newsgroup filling it with his lies ... it would be a full time
    job correcting all of his garbage that he and the others in his posse
    write ...

    www.humanticsfoundation.com/andysposse.htm

    He is earning money while posting lies that I have to waste my time
    correcting.

    This is the SAME filthy tactics used by quackwatch and
    healthwatcher.net ... in fact .. .when Terry Polevoy was using his
    Bully tactics against the very woman the case going to the Supreme
    court is about ... this is what was published about this:

    www.humanticsfoundation.com/quacklibelsuit.htm

    Shared Vision > January 2001 > Natural Medicine

    Natural Medicine:
    BC Leads the Way

    By Lily G. Casura

    EXCERPT:

    Despite McPhee's popularity, her show was cancelled for what amounted
    to political reasons. "I can't stand the heat," said one of her
    bosses, in response to Polevoy's one-man e-mail-and-letter crusade to
    the station saying McPhee should be taken to task for promoting
    alternative medicine.

    "I'd have to hire someone part-time just to respond to his mailings."
    A colleague of McPhee's, a medical doctor also being persecuted by the
    Canadian Quackwatch, says she's received more than 100 e-mails from
    this man alone in recent months.


  7. On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 03:21:26 GMT, "Coleah" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    STFU Ilena.

    In your dreams ...

    LOL ... yes, we know you LOVE those cross dressing Cowards ... men
    from Quack Inc. who pretend to be women ... like Ted "Nana" Nidiffer
    and Mark "Marla" Probert ...

    Coleah is a supporter of the Quack Inc. "Ragtag Posse" ...

    www.humanticsfoundation.com/andysposse.htm

  8. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Terry Polevoy ... Quack ... Busted
    From: [email hidden] (Vera Teasdale)
    Date: 6/15/2004 5:29 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    It must be show time Ilena.

    Yes. Do show us Terry, you would be more believable if you weren't *hiding*
    behind a woman's name.

    What a whimp.

    Jan

  9. (Jan) said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Terry Polevoy ... Quack ... Busted
    From: [email hidden] (Vera Teasdale)
    Date: 6/15/2004 5:29 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    It must be show time Ilena.

    Yes. Do show us Terry, you would be more believable if you weren't *hiding*
    behind a woman's name.

    What a whimp.

    Jan

    (Jan) said:

    I am sorry you feel the need to call names, and when it comes to harassing,
    that's about all you do.
    Jan

    (Jan) said:


    We could all learn much from his example. When he was shot, his first prayer
    was for the shooter. He was never belittling and was a kind man.
    Jan

    (Jan) said:

    Kathy, you sure do like trying to belittle others, and skip over the facts.
    This is a health issue, and NOT a slamming of people who post.
    Jan

    Poor Jan.
    -------------------------------------------------
    -------------------------------------------------

    The best defense to logic is ignorance

  10. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Ilena Rose said:

    On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 03:21:26 GMT, "Coleah" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    STFU Ilena.

    In your dreams ...

    Yes, many, most of whom are not the demonic "shills" you portray them to
    be, do dream of the day when you STFU.

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

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