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  1. Ron Ruff said:
    jim beam said:

    maybe it's because jobst never builds with welded rims. /my/ experience
    is that welded rims need over-tension. and i would expect that if
    excess weld material makes that section more rigid.

    The change in curvature between a built and unbuilt wheel is going to
    be very small, though. I'd wager that it depends on how the rim was
    distorted when the joint was put in... could go either way.


    in theory, yes. as pointed out by others, there's often a tiny flat
    spot where the weld flashing is machined off, and using a truing stand
    like a ts2 doesn't exactly emphasize the problem, but with every welded
    rim i've built, it's needed higher tension for the 2 spokes at the join.
    i build with an attachment to my ts2 so i have a proper handle on radial
    trueness, not just lateral, which is all that stand really does.

  2. jim beam said:
    Ron Ruff said:
    jim beam said:

    maybe it's because jobst never builds with welded rims. /my/ experience
    is that welded rims need over-tension. and i would expect that if
    excess weld material makes that section more rigid.

    Quoted message said:

    The change in curvature between a built and unbuilt wheel is going to
    be very small, though. I'd wager that it depends on how the rim was
    distorted when the joint was put in... could go either way.

    in theory, yes. as pointed out by others, there's often a tiny flat
    spot where the weld flashing is machined off, and using a truing stand
    like a ts2 doesn't exactly emphasize the problem, but with every welded
    rim i've built, it's needed higher tension for the 2 spokes at the join.
    i build with an attachment to my ts2 so i have a proper handle on radial
    trueness, not just lateral, which is all that stand really does.

    Your TS-2 is different, then, from any other I have seen or used (?).

  3. Ozark Bicycle said:
    jim beam said:
    Ron Ruff said:

    On Mar 31, 11:23 am, jim beam <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > maybe it's because jobst never builds with welded rims. /my/ experience
    > is that welded rims need over-tension. and i would expect that if
    > excess weld material makes that section more rigid.
    The change in curvature between a built and unbuilt wheel is going to
    be very small, though. I'd wager that it depends on how the rim was
    distorted when the joint was put in... could go either way.


    in theory, yes. as pointed out by others, there's often a tiny flat
    spot where the weld flashing is machined off, and using a truing stand
    like a ts2 doesn't exactly emphasize the problem, but with every welded
    rim i've built, it's needed higher tension for the 2 spokes at the join.
    i build with an attachment to my ts2 so i have a proper handle on radial
    trueness, not just lateral, which is all that stand really does.

    Your TS-2 is different, then, from any other I have seen or used (?).


    it only comes with calipers that run for a wheel's lateral dimension.

    http://parktool.com/images/products/productimages/spr_TS_2BIGB_2005616_307.jpg

    you can "see" roughly where radial is, but it's not as good as having a
    true radial caliper, which i what i added to mine. a popsicle stick
    held on with a magnet is a cheap alternative.

  4. jim beam said:
    Ozark Bicycle said:
    jim beam said:

    Ron Ruff wrote:
    > On Mar 31, 11:23 am, jim beam <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >> maybe it's because jobst never builds with welded rims. /my/ experience
    >> is that welded rims need over-tension. and i would expect that if
    >> excess weld material makes that section more rigid.
    > The change in curvature between a built and unbuilt wheel is going to
    > be very small, though. I'd wager that it depends on how the rim was
    > distorted when the joint was put in... could go either way.
    in theory, yes. as pointed out by others, there's often a tiny flat
    spot where the weld flashing is machined off, and using a truing stand
    like a ts2 doesn't exactly emphasize the problem, but with every welded
    rim i've built, it's needed higher tension for the 2 spokes at the join.
    i build with an attachment to my ts2 so i have a proper handle on radial
    trueness, not just lateral, which is all that stand really does.

    Quoted message said:

    Your TS-2 is different, then, from any other I have seen or used (?).

    it only comes with calipers that run for a wheel's lateral dimension.

    http://parktool.com/images/products/productimages/spr_TS_2BIGB_200561...

    you can "see" roughly where radial is, but it's not as good as having a
    true radial caliper

    Huh? The existing caliper, as designed and supplied, is easily used as
    a radial indicator.

    In the Park photo you linked to, the caliper will "read" *both*
    lateral and radial runout when positioned as shown.

    Quoted message said:

    , which i what i added to mine. a popsicle stick
    held on with a magnet is a cheap alternative

    What's a popsicle stick going to do for you?

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