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  1. T; The techniques do have a name "Myofascial or Active
    Release". After you stretch the tendon do you ice the area?
    Is the compensating musculature being treated as well? And
    if so, How? Yes : In Ontario we are taught to be able to
    treat tendonitis very effectively. There is a treatment (
    depending on which tendon ) called Friction Therapy. GL; D

    "Terry Galan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Is anyone familiar with the Muscle Release Technique? I am
    treating my tendonitis with the stretches from this
    technique, and it would boost my confidence if I could
    find other people who successfully used this treatment.

    Thanks.

    TG

  2. D,
    The therapist who gave me the stretches specifically instructed me NOT to
    ice the area. He also said that these stretches treat carpal tunnel
    syndrome. There are two stretches, each bend the wrist in opposing
    directions with the elbow straightened. Each stretch is held for 2 seconds
    or less, while applying friction with knuckles or thumb from the other hand.
    Thanks for the info.
    TG
    "douglas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    T; The techniques do have a name "Myofascial or Active
    Release". After you stretch the tendon do you ice the
    area? Is the compensating musculature being treated as
    well? And if so, How? Yes : In Ontario we are taught to be
    able to treat tendonitis very effectively. There is a
    treatment ( depending on which tendon ) called Friction
    Therapy. GL; D

    "Terry Galan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Is anyone familiar with the Muscle Release Technique? I
    am treating my tendonitis with the stretches from this
    technique, and it would boost my confidence if I could
    find other people who successfully used this treatment.

    Thanks.

    TG


  3. T;

    After any/ALL Friction Therapy you must ice. This will
    control the inflammatory response. Before we go into the
    do's and do not's, could you explain your symptoms? Which
    tendon are we talking about? How it happend? When it
    happend? Most stretches should be held for more than 2
    seconds.. You mentioned Carpal Tunel,... Do you have any
    numbness and if so where?

    There is also a technique called P.N.F., that will help.

    Looking forward to helping with your recovery.

    G.L. D

    "Terry Galan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    D, The therapist who gave me the stretches specifically
    instructed me NOT to ice the area. He also said that these
    stretches treat carpal tunnel syndrome. There are two
    stretches, each bend the wrist in opposing directions with
    the elbow straightened. Each stretch is held for 2 seconds
    or less, while applying friction with knuckles or thumb
    from the other


    hand.

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks for the info. TG "douglas"
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    T; The techniques do have a name "Myofascial or Active
    Release". After you stretch the tendon do you ice the
    area? Is the compensating musculature being treated as
    well? And if so, How? Yes : In Ontario we are taught to
    be able to treat tendonitis very effectively. There is a
    treatment ( depending on which tendon ) called Friction
    Therapy. GL; D

    "Terry Galan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Is anyone familiar with the Muscle Release Technique?
    I am treating my tendonitis with the stretches from
    this technique, and it would boost


    my

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    confidence if I could find other people who
    successfully used this treatment.

    Thanks.

    TG



  4. D

    It's a very long story. I've had "tennis elbow" for many
    years. It started with racquet sports, but almost any
    activity with repetitive motion aggravates the elbow.
    Treatment from chiropractors, massage therapists, physical
    therapists, and orthopedic surgeons didn't help. Most were
    happy to keep treating me even though there wasn't any
    improvement, a few were honest enough to tell me they did
    all they could. I've also had three cortisone shots. The
    first shot worked for a month, the other two were
    ineffective.

    A couple of months ago, I read an article about a physical
    therapist who had a similar experience to mine. He developed
    tendonitis from the deep tissue massage he did for his
    clients. After many ineffective treatments of various kinds,
    he eventually found relief from some stretches originating
    from Europe. These stretches are similar to the Active
    Isolated Stretches published by both Mattes and Wharton.
    This therapist has branded his version of these stretches
    with the trademark Muscle Release Technique. He offers
    workshops around the US to certify other therapists in MRT.
    For the average person, he also sells a self treatment video
    specifically for treating carpal tunnel and tendonitis.
    After exchanging some emails with the guy, I purchased the
    video and started the treatment. I like this treatment
    because it is something that I can easily do myself and the
    theory behind it seems to be common sense.

    I've noticed some improvement with my tendonitis, and it
    will probably be a few more months before I am totally
    symptom free. I don't understand why the many experts who
    previously treated me didn't prescribe this self-treatment,
    so I am still wondering if there is a "catch" somewhere. If
    there is no catch, then I will help spread the word about
    MRT, so that people will be aware of an option that doesn't
    involve surgery or dozens of visits to a specialist.

    The techniques that you mentioned, Myofascial or Active
    Release, Friction Therapy, and P.N.F, appear to be
    techniques that a certified massage therapist would use. The
    massage therapist who treated me specialized in sports
    injuries. I don't know if he used any of these techniques
    for me, but after many sessions, he advised me to get an
    XRAY and see a traditional doctor. I guess at this point I
    should stick with MRT for several more months to see if it
    really is the wonder technique.

    I appreciate your interest and advice. This MRT treatment
    must seem strange to you. It sounds like the Atkins diet of
    muscle therapy.

    TG "douglas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    T;

    After any/ALL Friction Therapy you must ice. This will
    control the inflammatory response. Before we go into the
    do's and do not's, could you explain your symptoms? Which
    tendon are we talking about? How it happend? When it
    happend? Most stretches should be held for more than 2
    seconds.. You mentioned Carpal Tunel,... Do you have any
    numbness and if so where?

    There is also a technique called P.N.F., that will help.

    Looking forward to helping with your recovery.

    G.L. D

    "Terry Galan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    D, The therapist who gave me the stretches specifically
    instructed me NOT


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ice the area. He also said that these stretches treat
    carpal tunnel syndrome. There are two stretches, each
    bend the wrist in opposing directions with the elbow
    straightened. Each stretch is held for 2


    seconds

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    or less, while applying friction with knuckles or thumb
    from the other


    hand.

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks for the info. TG "douglas"
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    T; The techniques do have a name "Myofascial or Active
    Release". After you stretch the tendon do you ice the
    area? Is the compensating musculature being treated as
    well? And if so, How? Yes : In Ontario we are taught
    to be able to treat tendonitis very effectively. There
    is a treatment ( depending on which tendon ) called
    Friction Therapy. GL; D

    "Terry Galan" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message
    news:<[email hidden]>...
    > Is anyone familiar with the Muscle Release
    > Technique? I am treating


    my

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > tendonitis with the stretches from this technique,
    > and it would


    boost

    Quoted message said:

    my

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > confidence if I could find other people who
    > successfully used this treatment.
    >
    > Thanks.
    >
    > TG
    >
    >



  5. Hey Douglas. Just finishing up schooling here. One of the
    things we're being taught throughout our Clinicals, Sports,
    and Anatomy/Physiology classes is that a stretch beyond 2
    seconds starts what is known as a "stretch reflex"
    response. I can't possibly show you my textbooks here in
    the post so I went surfing the net for a few mins.. and
    came up with these..

    ultimatehandbook.comstret
    chiso.html

    ://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0812926234/ref=sib_rdr_srch/002-
    3534424-6532 805?v=search-
    inside&keywords=2+second+stretching

    though I must tell you that in my search for evidence to
    back up what my textbooks and instructors are saying.. I
    find a wide array of opinions on the subject and varieties
    of stretching and when and where (before, after and
    event/injury) etc.. this is all so very fascinating.. what
    are YOUR thoughts on the 2 second stretch and the muscle
    chemistry/contraction science that is going on beneath the
    surface? I'm here to learn!

    Mj

    "douglas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    T;


    <major snip here to cut down on redundant reading>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Most stretches should be held for more than 2 seconds..


    You mentioned Carpal Tunel,... Do you have any numbness
    and if so where?

    There is also a technique called P.N.F., that will help.

    Looking forward to helping with your recovery.

    G.L. D

    "Terry Galan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    D, The therapist who gave me the stretches specifically
    instructed me NOT


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ice the area. He also said that these stretches treat
    carpal tunnel syndrome. There are two stretches, each
    bend the wrist in opposing directions with the elbow
    straightened. Each stretch is held for 2


    seconds

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    or less, while applying friction with knuckles or thumb
    from the other


    hand.

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks for the info. TG "douglas"
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    T; The techniques do have a name "Myofascial or Active
    Release". After you stretch the tendon do you ice the
    area? Is the compensating musculature being treated as
    well? And if so, How? Yes : In Ontario we are taught
    to be able to treat tendonitis very effectively. There
    is a treatment ( depending on which tendon ) called
    Friction Therapy. GL; D

    "Terry Galan" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message
    news:<[email hidden]>...
    > Is anyone familiar with the Muscle Release
    > Technique? I am treating


    my

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > tendonitis with the stretches from this technique,
    > and it would


    boost

    Quoted message said:

    my

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > confidence if I could find other people who
    > successfully used this treatment.
    >
    > Thanks.
    >
    > TG
    >
    >



  6. Most of the stretching has been taught incorrectly, I
    agree... When you stretch, you must go to the point where
    you feel it start to burn, and then back off to where it is
    comfortable, and then hold it. Exhaling from the time you
    felt it pull.

    Repeat this 3 times and you will increase the tendon length.

    Research P.N.F. ( Propriosceptive Neuromuscular
    Fascilitation), And work the synergistics..

    Another things you might want to check out, is a 'tech.'
    called 3S stretching.

    Just to point out an example;

    I can increase your lateral flexion (cervical) R.O.M., by
    resisting your contralateral flexion. With you as a client
    applying 10% of your strength repeated on 3 planes..

    You are all very educated here, I hope that my experience
    will serve...

    G.L. E-1..D;

    "Mj Hess" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hey Douglas. Just finishing up schooling here. One of the
    things we're being taught throughout our Clinicals,
    Sports, and Anatomy/Physiology classes is that a stretch
    beyond 2 seconds starts what is known as a "stretch
    reflex" response. I can't possibly show you my textbooks
    here in the post so I went surfing the net for a few
    mins.. and came up with


    these..

    Quoted message said:


    ultimatehandbook.comstretch
    iso.html


    ://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0812926234/ref=sib_rdr_srch/002-
    3534424-6532

    Quoted message said:

    805?v=search-inside&keywords=2+second+stretching

    though I must tell you that in my search for evidence to
    back up what my textbooks and instructors are saying.. I
    find a wide array of opinions on the subject and varieties
    of stretching and when and where (before, after and
    event/injury) etc.. this is all so very fascinating.. what
    are YOUR thoughts on the 2 second stretch and the muscle
    chemistry/contraction science that is going on beneath the
    surface? I'm here to learn!

    Mj

    "douglas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    T;


    <major snip here to cut down on redundant reading>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Most stretches should be held for more than 2
    > seconds..


    You mentioned Carpal Tunel,... Do you have any numbness
    and if so where?

    There is also a technique called P.N.F., that will help.

    Looking forward to helping with your recovery.

    G.L. D

    "Terry Galan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    D, The therapist who gave me the stretches
    specifically instructed me NOT


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ice the area. He also said that these stretches treat
    carpal tunnel syndrome. There are two stretches, each
    bend the wrist in opposing directions with the elbow
    straightened. Each stretch is held for 2


    seconds

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    or less, while applying friction with knuckles or
    thumb from the other


    hand.

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks for the info. TG "douglas"
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    >
    > T; The techniques do have a name "Myofascial or
    > Active Release". After you stretch the tendon do you
    > ice the area? Is the compensating musculature being
    > treated as well? And if so, How? Yes : In Ontario we
    > are taught to be able to treat tendonitis very
    > effectively. There is a treatment ( depending on
    > which tendon )


    called

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Friction Therapy. GL; D
    >
    >
    > "Terry Galan" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    > message
    > news:<[email hidden]>...
    > > Is anyone familiar with the Muscle Release
    > > Technique? I am


    treating

    Quoted message said:

    my

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > tendonitis with the stretches from this technique,
    > > and it would


    boost

    Quoted message said:

    my

    Quoted message said:

    > > confidence if I could find other people who
    > > successfully used this treatment.
    > >
    > > Thanks.
    > >
    > > TG
    > >
    > >
    >
    >



  7. Mj

    I believe that it is called the Myotatic Reflex. I
    haven't seen any clinical evidence that this reflex kicks
    in after 2 to 3 seconds, but avoiding this reflex is what
    Active Isolated Stretching and Muscle Release Technique
    is all about.

    Here is a link to an article discussing Muscle Release
    Technique.

    mrtherapy.comarticle1.html

    I am interested in the professional therapists' view of this
    technique. I agree that the theory behind this technique
    goes against traditional beliefs.

    TG "Mj Hess" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hey Douglas. Just finishing up schooling here. One of the
    things we're being taught throughout our Clinicals,
    Sports, and Anatomy/Physiology classes is that a stretch
    beyond 2 seconds starts what is known as a "stretch
    reflex" response. I can't possibly show you my textbooks
    here in the post so I went surfing the net for a few
    mins.. and came up with


    these..

    Quoted message said:


    ultimatehandbook.comstretch
    iso.html


    ://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0812926234/ref=sib_rdr_srch/002-
    3534424-6532

    Quoted message said:

    805?v=search-inside&keywords=2+second+stretching

    though I must tell you that in my search for evidence to
    back up what my textbooks and instructors are saying.. I
    find a wide array of opinions on the subject and varieties
    of stretching and when and where (before, after and
    event/injury) etc.. this is all so very fascinating.. what
    are YOUR thoughts on the 2 second stretch and the muscle
    chemistry/contraction science that is going on beneath the
    surface? I'm here to learn!

    Mj

    "douglas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    T;


    <major snip here to cut down on redundant reading>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Most stretches should be held for more than 2
    > seconds..


    You mentioned Carpal Tunel,... Do you have any numbness
    and if so where?

    There is also a technique called P.N.F., that will help.

    Looking forward to helping with your recovery.

    G.L. D

    "Terry Galan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    D, The therapist who gave me the stretches
    specifically instructed me NOT


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ice the area. He also said that these stretches treat
    carpal tunnel syndrome. There are two stretches, each
    bend the wrist in opposing directions with the elbow
    straightened. Each stretch is held for 2


    seconds

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    or less, while applying friction with knuckles or
    thumb from the other


    hand.

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks for the info. TG "douglas"
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    >
    > T; The techniques do have a name "Myofascial or
    > Active Release". After you stretch the tendon do you
    > ice the area? Is the compensating musculature being
    > treated as well? And if so, How? Yes : In Ontario we
    > are taught to be able to treat tendonitis very
    > effectively. There is a treatment ( depending on
    > which tendon )


    called

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Friction Therapy. GL; D
    >
    >
    > "Terry Galan" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    > message
    > news:<[email hidden]>...
    > > Is anyone familiar with the Muscle Release
    > > Technique? I am


    treating

    Quoted message said:

    my

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > tendonitis with the stretches from this technique,
    > > and it would


    boost

    Quoted message said:

    my

    Quoted message said:

    > > confidence if I could find other people who
    > > successfully used this treatment.
    > >
    > > Thanks.
    > >
    > > TG
    > >
    > >
    >
    >



  8. Thank you both (Douglas and Terry) for your feedback. I'll check this all
    out and learn even more! :-)

    Mj

    "Terry Galan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Mj

    I believe that it is called the Myotatic Reflex. I haven't
    seen any


    clinical

    Quoted message said:

    evidence that this reflex kicks in after 2 to 3 seconds,
    but avoiding this reflex is what Active Isolated
    Stretching and Muscle Release Technique is all about.

    Here is a link to an article discussing Muscle Release
    Technique.

    mrtherapy.comarticle1.html

    I am interested in the professional therapists' view of
    this technique. I agree that the theory behind this
    technique goes against traditional beliefs.

    TG "Mj Hess" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hey Douglas. Just finishing up schooling here. One of
    the things we're being taught throughout our Clinicals,
    Sports, and Anatomy/Physiology classes is that a
    stretch beyond 2 seconds starts what is known as a
    "stretch reflex" response. I can't possibly show you my
    textbooks here


    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the post so I went surfing the net for a few mins.. and
    came up with


    these..

    Quoted message said:


    ultimatehandbook.comstretch
    iso.html



    ://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0812926234/ref=sib_rdr_srch/002-
    3534424-6532

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    805?v=search-inside&keywords=2+second+stretching

    though I must tell you that in my search for evidence to
    back up what my textbooks and instructors are saying.. I
    find a wide array of opinions


    on

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the subject and varieties of stretching and when and
    where (before,


    after

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and event/injury) etc.. this is all so very
    fascinating.. what are YOUR thoughts on the 2 second
    stretch and the muscle chemistry/contraction science
    that is going on beneath the surface? I'm here to learn!

    Mj

    "douglas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    T;


    <major snip here to cut down on redundant reading>

    Quoted message said:

    >> Most stretches should be held for more than 2
    >> seconds..
    You mentioned Carpal Tunel,... Do you have any
    numbness and if so


    where?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    There is also a technique called P.N.F., that will
    help.

    Looking forward to helping with your recovery.

    G.L. D

    "Terry Galan" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    > D, The therapist who gave me the stretches
    > specifically instructed me


    NOT

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to

    Quoted message said:

    > ice the area. He also said that these stretches
    > treat carpal tunnel syndrome. There are two
    > stretches, each bend the wrist in opposing
    > directions with the elbow straightened. Each stretch
    > is held for 2


    seconds

    Quoted message said:

    > or less, while applying friction with knuckles or
    > thumb from the


    other

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    hand.
    > Thanks for the info. TG "douglas"
    > <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > "]news:[email hidden]...
    > >
    > > T; The techniques do have a name "Myofascial or
    > > Active Release". After you stretch the tendon do
    > > you ice the area? Is the compensating musculature
    > > being treated as well? And if so, How? Yes : In
    > > Ontario we are taught to be able to treat
    > > tendonitis very effectively. There is a treatment
    > > ( depending on which tendon )


    called

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > Friction Therapy. GL; D
    > >
    > >
    > > "Terry Galan" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    > > message
    > > news:<[email hidden]>...
    > > > Is anyone familiar with the Muscle Release
    > > > Technique? I am


    treating

    Quoted message said:

    my

    Quoted message said:

    > > > tendonitis with the stretches from this
    > > > technique, and it would


    boost

    Quoted message said:

    my
    > > > confidence if I could find other people who
    > > > successfully used


    this

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > treatment.
    > > >
    > > > Thanks.
    > > >
    > > > TG
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    >



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