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  1. Interesting & noble effort. However at the end of the day, I don't
    sense it's a tremendous solution to a great problem. It doesn't push
    the envelope far enough. For example I know people working on a Wifi
    chest & wrist band system (like WinningTime) that aside from offering
    accurate times also transmits all the typical HRM data realtime to a
    site. So friends and family anywhere in the world can log on and
    track a runner's performance during the event (speed, relative position
    to the field, within their sex or AG, pace, hrm....the works....all
    right there in the corner of the screen as they look at an icon
    representing the runner). Prop'ing temp. wife ubmrellas is no great
    task over a course. A real next generation system must touch the skin,
    collect and transmi data, along w/accurately time....imo...

    http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/10948748.htm

    A chip in time set to debut

    By Tracey Myers

    Star-Telegram Staff Writer

    It happened by chance.

    James Galindo and Marty Leicht met through the Cowtown races several
    years ago.

    They didn't know it, but Galindo, a software developer, and Leicht, a
    race director, had a common goal: They wanted to develop a better
    method of race timing. Problem was, Galindo didn't know much about the
    racing world, and Leicht was at a loss when it came to technology.

    Together, however, they've helped create what could be the next great
    timing system.

    TekChip, a tiny timing device that's barely visible to the naked eye,
    will be the official timekeeper of the 2005 Cowtown marathon, half-
    marathon and 10K. The chip, invented by Galindo and Leicht, is making
    its official debut at the Cowtown, and it could become the timing
    choice for years to come.

    Many races use a chip attached to runners' shoes to keep time. The
    chips are collected by race officials immediately after competitors
    cross the finish line, and the time is transferred from the chips to a
    computer.

    "That process pretty much goes away with our system," Galindo said.
    "[TekChip is] hidden, and there's no extra weight."

    Diane Leicht, Marty's wife, said the chip is the result of years of
    hard work by a lot of people.

    "We've been aggressively testing it this year," Diane Leicht said. "Now
    it's ready to be put to the big test."

    Galindo and Leicht started working on TekChip in 2003, hoping to
    streamline the timing process. TekChip works on radio frequency
    identification (RFID), technology that is described as the next
    generation of bar codes. Used by several major companies, RFID can
    track and trace goods in real time.

    The beauty is its simplicity. Instead of a chip that runners have to
    worry about obtaining and race directors have to worry about
    reclaiming, TekChip is already on each runner's bib. It's about the
    size of a grain of salt, and is stuck to a piece of tape that is placed
    on the back of the bib. Afterward, runners can either keep the bib or
    throw it away, because the chip automatically transmits the runner's
    time to a reader that sends the information to a computer.

    The chip got its test run at last year's Cowtown, unbeknownst to most
    participants. The test worked, paving the way for it to be the official
    timekeeper this year.

    "Personally, it looks to me like a very innovative idea," said race
    director Jim Gilliland. "With the chip being in the bib, it saves some
    problems. To me, it looks like a really neat way of doing things."

    Though the chip has passed its tests with flying colors, the Cowtown
    will still use backup timing systems, just in case.

    "We'll still go through the chutes, we'll still collect that bib tag,"
    Cowtown executive director Heidi Schwartz said. "But the runners and
    volunteers don't have to worry about hooking anything on shoes.

  2. Quoted message said:

    Many races use a chip attached to runners' shoes to keep time. The
    chips are collected by race officials immediately after competitors
    cross the finish line, and the time is transferred from the chips to a
    computer.

    I know you didn't say this Lance but it just ain't true! As I'm sure you
    know the likes of the championchip is a passive device and the mats simply
    log when the chip passes.

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:


    Galindo and Leicht started working on TekChip in 2003, hoping to
    streamline the timing process. TekChip works on radio frequency
    identification (RFID), technology that is described as the next
    generation of bar codes. Used by several major companies, RFID can
    track and trace goods in real time.

    And is already being used to time races here. See
    http://www.sportsystems.co.uk/services.html

    Either someone is re-inventing the wheel or the systems all originate from
    the same place. *Or* you're in the pay of TekChip and you're spamming the
    group. ;-)

    Quoted message said:


    The beauty is its simplicity. Instead of a chip that runners have to
    worry about obtaining and race directors have to worry about
    reclaiming, TekChip is already on each runner's bib. It's about the
    size of a grain of salt, and is stuck to a piece of tape that is
    placed on the back of the bib. Afterward, runners can either keep the
    bib or throw it away, because the chip automatically transmits the
    runner's time to a reader that sends the information to a computer.

    Strewth, these guys are idiots, they don't even understand the tecnology
    they're trying to sell. IT'S NOT A CLOCK, it's an ID tag.

    Tim

  3. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Many races use a chip attached to runners' shoes to keep time. The
    chips are collected by race officials immediately after competitors
    cross the finish line, and the time is transferred from the chips to a
    computer.

    I know you didn't say this Lance but it just ain't true! As I'm sure you
    know the likes of the championchip is a passive device and the mats simply
    log when the chip passes.

    I work for the paper in question and raised this point with the sports
    staff. I'm sure the reporter just got confused.

    Quoted message said:

    And is already being used to time races here. See
    http://www.sportsystems.co.uk/services.html

    Either someone is re-inventing the wheel or the systems all originate from
    the same place. *Or* you're in the pay of TekChip and you're spamming the
    group. ;-)

    Lance isn't in Fort Worth.

    Quoted message said:

    Strewth, these guys are idiots, they don't even understand the tecnology
    they're trying to sell. IT'S NOT A CLOCK, it's an ID tag.

    The mixup was the reporter's, not the tech guys'. I don't know
    Galindo, but I've met Leicht and he's pretty much got it on the ball.

    The main advantage of TekChip over ChampionChip seems to be
    distribution and collection. Whether that's enough to carve out a
    share of the timing market remains to be seen.

    --
    Brian P. Baresch
    Fort Worth, Texas, USA
    Professional editing and proofreading

    If you're going through hell, keep going. --Winston Churchill

  4. Tim Downie said:
    Quoted message said:

    Many races use a chip attached to runners' shoes to keep time. The
    chips are collected by race officials immediately after competitors
    cross the finish line, and the time is transferred from the chips to a
    computer.

    I know you didn't say this Lance but it just ain't true! As I'm sure you
    know the likes of the championchip is a passive device and the mats simply
    log when the chip passes.

    Not sure how tekchip works, but chanpionchip is not quite passive.

    Physics 101 -- get a coil, move it in a magnetic field, and you get a current.
    So the mat "turns on" the chip, which transmits its id to the receiver, which
    logs the chip id.

    It looks like tekchip would probably have to be passive -- I don't think they
    could use the same mechanism as championchip (which depends on being close to
    the mats for the induced current to turn the chip on)

    Cheers,
    --
    Donovan Rebbechi
    http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

  5. Brian Baresch said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Many races use a chip attached to runners' shoes to keep time. The
    chips are collected by race officials immediately after competitors
    cross the finish line, and the time is transferred from the chips
    to a computer.

    I know you didn't say this Lance but it just ain't true! As I'm
    sure you know the likes of the championchip is a passive device and
    the mats simply log when the chip passes.

    I work for the paper in question and raised this point with the sports
    staff. I'm sure the reporter just got confused.

    I'm sure you're right. After I calmed down a bit I realised this. ;-)

    Tim

  6. Donovan Rebbechi said:
    Tim Downie said:
    Quoted message said:

    Many races use a chip attached to runners' shoes to keep time. The
    chips are collected by race officials immediately after competitors
    cross the finish line, and the time is transferred from the chips
    to a computer.

    I know you didn't say this Lance but it just ain't true! As I'm
    sure you know the likes of the championchip is a passive device and
    the mats simply log when the chip passes.

    Not sure how tekchip works, but chanpionchip is not quite passive.

    Physics 101 -- get a coil, move it in a magnetic field, and you get a
    current. So the mat "turns on" the chip, which transmits its id to
    the receiver, which logs the chip id.

    It looks like tekchip would probably have to be passive

    Not quite sure if there's any difference at all. I don't think you can
    interrogate a chip without inducing a current of some sort so that it
    transmits it's ID. If there is a difference I think it's purely size and
    cost.

    Quoted message said:

    - I don't
    think they could use the same mechanism as championchip (which
    depends on being close to the mats for the induced current to turn
    the chip on)

    The RFID chips used by Sportsystems can be interrogated by an overhead wire
    which if the number is on the chest means about 4 feet. I'm willing to bet
    the fundamental principles are exactly the same though.

    At the end of the day it does look like that they're re-inventing the wheel
    for the Cowtown marathon.

    Tim

  7. Tim Downie said:

    Strewth, these guys are idiots, they don't even understand the tecnology
    they're trying to sell. IT'S NOT A CLOCK, it's an ID tag.

    Tim

    Tim, I worked with several imported english toolmakers in the distant
    past.
    They all used the word "strewth". What the hell does "Strewth" mean?

    Malcontent

  8. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Tim Downie said:

    Strewth, these guys are idiots, they don't even understand the
    tecnology
    they're trying to sell. IT'S NOT A CLOCK, it's an ID tag.

    Tim

    Tim, I worked with several imported english toolmakers in the distant
    past.
    They all used the word "strewth". What the hell does "Strewth" mean?

    Definition
    strewth
    [Hide phonetics]
    exclamation AUSTRALIAN ENGLISH INFORMAL AND UK OLD-FASHIONED
    used to express surprise or disappointment:
    Strewth, look at the size of that steak!

    -DF

  9. Quoted message said:

    Tim, I worked with several imported english toolmakers in the distant
    past.
    They all used the word "strewth". What the hell does "Strewth" mean?

    It's a contraction of "God's truth".

    Ellis

  10. Quoted message said:

    Physics 101 -- get a coil, move it in a magnetic field, and you get a current.
    So the mat "turns on" the chip, which transmits its id to the receiver, which
    logs the chip id.

    It looks like tekchip would probably have to be passive -- I don't think they
    could use the same mechanism as championchip (which depends on being close to
    the mats for the induced current to turn the chip on)

    They use a sort of frame with detector thingamajigs that the runners
    pass through at the finish line; looks like a metal detector without
    the X-ray belt attached. The article says they'll have them elsewhere
    on the course as well, which could be problematic if there's a big
    pack coming through at once.

    --
    Brian P. Baresch
    Fort Worth, Texas, USA
    Professional editing and proofreading

    If you're going through hell, keep going. --Winston Churchill

  11. On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:35:14 GMT, "Doug Freese" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Tim Downie said:

    Strewth, these guys are idiots, they don't even understand the
    tecnology
    they're trying to sell. IT'S NOT A CLOCK, it's an ID tag.

    Tim

    Tim, I worked with several imported english toolmakers in the distant
    past.
    They all used the word "strewth". What the hell does "Strewth" mean?

    Definition
    strewth
    [Hide phonetics]
    exclamation AUSTRALIAN ENGLISH INFORMAL AND UK OLD-FASHIONED
    used to express surprise or disappointment:
    Strewth, look at the size of that steak!

    -DF


    Thanks, that's just what I thought it was but the old limeys would
    never tell me.
    And they said we butchered the english language..... <snirk>

    Malcontent

  12. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Definition
    strewth
    [Hide phonetics]
    exclamation AUSTRALIAN ENGLISH INFORMAL AND UK OLD-FASHIONED
    used to express surprise or disappointment:
    Strewth, look at the size of that steak!

    -DF


    Thanks, that's just what I thought it was but the old limeys would
    never tell me.
    And they said we butchered the english language..... <snirk>

    The reason we all jumped in boats to come here had nothing to do with
    religious persecution - we wanted to speak gooder English.

    -Doug

  13. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Brian Baresch said:

    They use a sort of frame with detector thingamajigs that the runners
    pass through at the finish line; looks like a metal detector without
    the X-ray belt attached. The article says they'll have them elsewhere
    on the course as well, which could be problematic if there's a big
    pack coming through at once.

    Like at the start of a marathon to get the chip time for the race?

    --Harold Buck

    "I used to rock and roll all night,
    and party every day.
    Then it was every other day. . . ."
    -Homer J. Simpson

  14. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Brian Baresch said:


    The main advantage of TekChip over ChampionChip seems to be
    distribution and collection.

    I would think that that would be a pretty big advantage: you don't have
    to have people collecting the chips, making sure they get back to the
    right spot, billing people who don't turn in their chips, and so on. The
    question is: how much is that convenience worth and how much does it
    cost. I'd say that if they can offer the service for the same cost as
    ChampionChip, they'll probably quickly pick up many running races and
    probably some duathlons.

    Triathlons might be a different story since many triathletes don't wear
    their bibs on the swim, and many don't wear them on the bike either
    (there's a number on your bike, so you often don't have to wear one on
    your body). That would kill most of the value of having chip timing for
    triathlons: accurate splits for all 3 disciplines and for the two
    transitions.

    Of course, I guess they could just make you wear the bib for the whole
    race, or give you a throwaway chip to wear on a wrist- or ankle-band for
    the whole race.

    --Harold Buck

    "I used to rock and roll all night,
    and party every day.
    Then it was every other day. . . ."
    -Homer J. Simpson

  15. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    They use a sort of frame with detector thingamajigs that the runners
    pass through at the finish line; looks like a metal detector without
    the X-ray belt attached. The article says they'll have them elsewhere
    on the course as well, which could be problematic if there's a big
    pack coming through at once.

    Like at the start of a marathon to get the chip time for the race?

    The TekChip system, as they've been testing it around town the past
    year, doesn't record a time at the start, just the finish. So people's
    "chip time" will be the same as their gun time. That could be a big
    marketing disadvantage, since all but the first few runners through
    the start like to have that faster-looking chip time even if it's not
    official.

    IOW, they've reinvented the wheel with one flat side.

    --
    Brian P. Baresch
    Fort Worth, Texas, USA
    Professional editing and proofreading

    If you're going through hell, keep going. --Winston Churchill

  16. New technology timing chip.............same old slack jawed mouth
    breathers.

  17. It seems to me I heard somewhere that [email hidden] wrote in
    article <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:16:34 -0000, "Tim Downie"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Strewth, these guys are idiots, they don't even understand the tecnology
    they're trying to sell. IT'S NOT A CLOCK, it's an ID tag.

    Quoted message said:

    Tim, I worked with several imported english toolmakers in the distant
    past.
    They all used the word "strewth". What the hell does "Strewth" mean?

    "Strewth" - an Australian language relic of the middle-English term "By
    God's Truth".
    http://www.crikey.com.au/columnists/2002/12/11-definitions.html
    --
    Don
    [email hidden]

  18. "Brian Baresch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    They use a sort of frame with detector thingamajigs that the runners
    pass through at the finish line; looks like a metal detector without
    the X-ray belt attached. The article says they'll have them elsewhere
    on the course as well, which could be problematic if there's a big
    pack coming through at once.

    Like at the start of a marathon to get the chip time for the race?

    The TekChip system, as they've been testing it around town the past
    year, doesn't record a time at the start, just the finish. So people's
    "chip time" will be the same as their gun time. That could be a big
    marketing disadvantage, since all but the first few runners through
    the start like to have that faster-looking chip time even if it's not
    official.

    IOW, they've reinvented the wheel with one flat side.

    --
    Brian P. Baresch
    Fort Worth, Texas, USA
    Professional editing and proofreading

    If you're going through hell, keep going. --Winston Churchill

    Some races do not use a mat at the start, just at the finish for use in
    sorting more or less.

    RFID is being experimented with in grocery stores and such so that you would
    just pass the cart through a detector. I cannot imagine that this problem
    could not be overcome to get the data required. Of course, I am always
    optimistic about technology.

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