Teflon cooking is dangerous

Champion against Teflon said:

Hi,

I am new to this group. I want as many people as possible to know that
I was poisoned by Teflon.

Oh hell, not another one of these mindless twits posting about lethal
Teflon. <groan>

Champion against Teflon said:

I developed severe back pains and in my joints. (I'm only 23
years old by the way and very athletic) My back has never hurted
before. Heck, I don't even lift heavy objects!

Then the cold sweats came on only to be followed by "weird chills" that
made me shake. The people I was staying with didn't know what to make
of it. I also had piercing stomach pains and diarrhea. Oh yes, the
headaches were excruciating. It felt like a brick was constantly being
pressed against my head.

Whoa! I had those very symptoms a few days ago!

Wait. I don't own any Teflon. Maybe it was from walking down the
cookware aisle at WalMart. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Is there a 12-step program for skillet paranoia?

Carol

Champion against Teflon said:

fact that Teflon fumes poisoned me. Believe me or not you have been
warned. Thanks for your time. Grant Polet [email hidden]

Teflon definitely kills birds so this might be like the canaries in the
mines.
If you want to be more believable, you might want to add a few facts to
your Teflon flu. Namely it depends on if the pan is empty. If you're
young and your friends are young and a bit irresponsible or not
knowing, they may heat an empty Teflon pan. I once clocked a Teflon pan
hitting 600 degrees Fahrenheit in less than 1 minute. Unfortunately,
and this is official chemistry, Teflon starts to outgas - that's the
technical term - somewhere in the mid 500's F, around 550 or so, I
forget if it's 530 or 570. And that's so for even the most expensive,
brand new pots.

Supposedly this was harmless to most humans but this is now starting to
be re-examined. It definitely will kill small pet birds and even big
ones awfully quickly. And even through closed doors so shutting a door
is not enough to protect pet birds. It's a gas that will be killing
them.

I think there is some truth to your story. And after I ran my own
experiment, I threw out my Teflon pans and bought some fine glassware
and the occasional stainless steel piece. Nothing is safer than
glassware. I prefer that nice looking amber Corning stuff. For me, I
don't do the sort of cooking that I guess Teflon makes super easy.

"Damsel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Champion against Teflon said:

I developed severe back pains and in my joints. (I'm only 23
years old by the way and very athletic) My back has never hurted
before. Heck, I don't even lift heavy objects!

Then the cold sweats came on only to be followed by "weird chills"
that
made me shake. The people I was staying with didn't know what to make
of it. I also had piercing stomach pains and diarrhea. Oh yes, the
headaches were excruciating. It felt like a brick was constantly
being
pressed against my head.

Whoa! I had those very symptoms a few days ago!

Wait. I don't own any Teflon. Maybe it was from walking down the
cookware aisle at WalMart. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Is there a 12-step program for skillet paranoia?

<G>

Champion against Teflon said:

I want as many people as possible to know that
I was poisoned by Teflon. I've never trusted it, and when it poisons
you, you want to tell everyone how dangerous it is. I've used surgical
stainless steel for over 2 years.

There's no such stainless steel classification as "surgical".

Sheldon

Sheldon said:

Champion against Teflon said:

I want as many people as possible to know that
I was poisoned by Teflon. I've never trusted it, and when it poisons
you, you want to tell everyone how dangerous it is. I've used surgical
stainless steel for over 2 years.

There's no such stainless steel classification as "surgical".

Sheldon

Yes there is, but it's mere marketing. It simply means the highest
quality stainless.
see
http://www.bdmarketing.com/cookware_2.htm
http://www.diamondcraft.com/

Champion against Teflon said:

Hi,

I am new to this group. I want as many people as possible to know that
I was poisoned by Teflon. I've never trusted it, and when it poisons
you, you want to tell everyone how dangerous it is. I've used surgical
stainless steel for over 2 years. I recently moved in with some friends
after Hurricane Katrina. I still used my own stainless steel cookware
while they used the Teflon. I'd walk into the kitchen, and I could
smell the Teflon pots, which were brand new I might add. I didn't say
anything because I cooked my own food in my own pots. Well, a few days
later, I developed severe back pains and in my joints. (I'm only 23
years old by the way and very athletic) My back has never hurted
before. Heck, I don't even lift heavy objects!

Then the cold sweats came on only to be followed by "weird chills" that
made me shake. The people I was staying with didn't know what to make
of it. I also had piercing stomach pains and diarrhea. Oh yes, the
headaches were excruciating. It felt like a brick was constantly being
pressed against my head. Long story short, my mother emphatically told
me over the phone I had the infamous Teflon flu. "Teflon flu?" HUH?? I
had every symptom. End of story: my friends realized what had happened.
We started cooking in the stainless steel and today I feel like a
million bucks. My career is in the field of computer
networking/consulting, which is very technically oriented. So this
isn't simply an emotional response to a "seasonal flu". I know for a
fact that Teflon fumes poisoned me. Believe me or not you have been
warned. Thanks for your time. Grant Polet [email hidden]

Sorry to hear of your bad experience. DuPont the makers of teflon
coating even acknowledge this can occur if the pans are heated to an
abnormally high temp
http://www.teflon.com/NASApp/Teflon/TeflonPageServlet?pageId=/consumer/na/eng/housewares/keyword/teflon_keyword_flu.html
DuPont also warns of the risk of pet birds dropping dead from the teflon
fumes
http://www.checnet.org/healthehouse/education/articles-detail.asp?Main_ID=600

I used teflon coated pots for years before converting to stainless
steel. The coating invariably gets little nicks or scratches in it then
starts to flake off a bit something I don't care for. I still
occasionally use a non-stick fry pan for frying eggs. The temp for this
task is well within a normal cooking range not high temp. For that
reason I am not too concerned about the risks due to fumes *however*
perfluorooctanoic acid (PFOA) and its salt C8 being in our bodies
because at some point we used non-stick pots & pans.

itsjoannotjoann said:

Champion against Teflon said:

Hi,

I am new to this group. I want as many people as possible to know that
I was poisoned by Teflon.

Oh hell, not another one of these mindless twits posting about lethal
Teflon. <groan>

From what I've read there is some merrit to the concerns regarding
teflon. DuPont even acknowledges the health risks to both humans and
birds. I posted a couple of links in my previous reply. Given that
there are some known health risks it might be prudent to limit the use
of teflon coated pots & pans as well as avoid abnomally high cooking
temps. IMO this can be easily achieved by using stainless steel pot &
pans as well as cooking at proper temps. Many of us avoid using
aluminum pots & pans because of the potential of aluminum leaching into
food and the associated health risks. Many of us avoid cooking acidic
foods in cast iron pans because of leaching. I see the warning of
teflon coating to be a similar concern. If someone has had a negative
experience with a product it is nice that they share without being an
alarmist.

Seamus said:

Quoted message said:

Champion against Teflon said:

I want as many people as possible to know that
I was poisoned by Teflon. I've never trusted it, and when it poisons
you, you want to tell everyone how dangerous it is. I've used surgical
stainless steel for over 2 years.

There's no such stainless steel classification as "surgical".

Quoted message said:

Yes there is, but it's mere marketing. It simply means the highest
quality stainless.
see
http://www.bdmarketing.com/cookware_2.htm
http://www.diamondcraft.com/

Nice! I like the diamond craft pots & pans. Do you know what the
grading on ss means. I see numbers like 18/8 but am not sure what they
mean.

Sheldon said:

Champion against Teflon said:

I want as many people as possible to know that
I was poisoned by Teflon. I've never trusted it, and when it poisons
you, you want to tell everyone how dangerous it is. I've used surgical
stainless steel for over 2 years.

There's no such stainless steel classification as "surgical".

Sheldon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surgical_stainless_steel

These people must be wrong, Sheldon.

~patches~ said:

Seamus said:

Quoted message said:

Champion against Teflon wrote:

>I want as many people as possible to know that
>I was poisoned by Teflon. I've never trusted it, and when it poisons
>you, you want to tell everyone how dangerous it is. I've used surgical
>stainless steel for over 2 years.

There's no such stainless steel classification as "surgical".

Quoted message said:

Yes there is, but it's mere marketing. It simply means the highest
quality stainless.
see
http://www.bdmarketing.com/cookware_2.htm
http://www.diamondcraft.com/

Nice! I like the diamond craft pots & pans. Do you know what the
grading on ss means. I see numbers like 18/8 but am not sure what they
mean.

IIRC, 18/8 means 18 ppm Chromium and 8 ppm Nickel in alloyed in the
steel. ( I could have the Cr/Ni backwards).

In article <[email hidden]>,

Champion against Teflon said:

Hi,

I am new to this group. I want as many people as possible to know that
I was poisoned by Teflon. I've never trusted it, and when it poisons
you, you want to tell everyone how dangerous it is. I've used surgical
stainless steel for over 2 years. I recently moved in with some friends
after Hurricane Katrina. I still used my own stainless steel cookware
while they used the Teflon. I'd walk into the kitchen, and I could
smell the Teflon pots, which were brand new I might add. I didn't say
anything because I cooked my own food in my own pots. Well, a few days
later, I developed severe back pains and in my joints. (I'm only 23
years old by the way and very athletic) My back has never hurted
before. Heck, I don't even lift heavy objects!

Then the cold sweats came on only to be followed by "weird chills" that
made me shake. The people I was staying with didn't know what to make
of it. I also had piercing stomach pains and diarrhea. Oh yes, the
headaches were excruciating. It felt like a brick was constantly being
pressed against my head. Long story short, my mother emphatically told
me over the phone I had the infamous Teflon flu. "Teflon flu?" HUH?? I
had every symptom. End of story: my friends realized what had happened.
We started cooking in the stainless steel and today I feel like a
million bucks. My career is in the field of computer
networking/consulting, which is very technically oriented. So this
isn't simply an emotional response to a "seasonal flu". I know for a
fact that Teflon fumes poisoned me. Believe me or not you have been
warned. Thanks for your time. Grant Polet [email hidden]

How do you know this? I fail to see how your career in the computer
field makes it impossible for you to get other ailments. Did you at
least see a doctor to diagnose your condition?

Seamus said:

~patches~ said:

Seamus said:

>Champion against Teflon wrote:
>
>
>>I want as many people as possible to know that
>>I was poisoned by Teflon. I've never trusted it, and when it poisons
>>you, you want to tell everyone how dangerous it is. I've used surgical
>>stainless steel for over 2 years.
>
>There's no such stainless steel classification as "surgical".
>

Quoted message said:

Yes there is, but it's mere marketing. It simply means the highest
quality stainless.
see
http://www.bdmarketing.com/cookware_2.htm
http://www.diamondcraft.com/

Nice! I like the diamond craft pots & pans. Do you know what the
grading on ss means. I see numbers like 18/8 but am not sure what they
mean.

IIRC, 18/8 means 18 ppm Chromium and 8 ppm Nickel in alloyed in the
steel. ( I could have the Cr/Ni backwards).

Thanks Seamus. You have the Cr/Ni correct. I found the information and
posted the link for others interested.

"Stan Horwitz" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

"Champion against Teflon" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

million bucks. My career is in the field of computer
networking/consulting, which is very technically oriented. So this
isn't simply an emotional response to a "seasonal flu". I know for a
fact that Teflon fumes poisoned me. Believe me or not you have been
warned. Thanks for your time. Grant Polet [email hidden]

How do you know this? I fail to see how your career in the computer
field makes it impossible for you to get other ailments. Did you at
least see a doctor to diagnose your condition?

Really, I worked in the computer field myself and there were the
regular share of crazy/emotionally ill/hysterical people working
in all technical areas ... just as you see in other places of business or
professions. I did smell and actually tried to eat something made in
an overheated teflon pan, I do believe you don't want to overheat
that stuff.

nancy

Damsel said:

Quoted message said:

Oh yes, the
headaches were excruciating. It felt like a brick was constantly being
pressed against my head.

Whoa! I had those very symptoms a few days ago!

Wait. I don't own any Teflon. Maybe it was from walking down the
cookware aisle at WalMart. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Is there a 12-step program for skillet paranoia?

Carol

There is no 12 stepped for this.
But it sounds like a great class action suit against Walmart.

Pan Ohco

"Champion against Teflon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hi,

I am new to this group. I want as many people as possible to know that
I was poisoned by Teflon. I've never trusted it, and when it poisons
you, you want to tell everyone how dangerous it is. I've used surgical
stainless steel for over 2 years. I recently moved in with some friends
after Hurricane Katrina. I still used my own stainless steel cookware
while they used the Teflon. I'd walk into the kitchen, and I could
smell the Teflon pots, which were brand new I might add. I didn't say
anything because I cooked my own food in my own pots. Well, a few days
later, I developed severe back pains and in my joints. (I'm only 23
years old by the way and very athletic) My back has never hurted
before. Heck, I don't even lift heavy objects!

Then the cold sweats came on only to be followed by "weird chills" that
made me shake. The people I was staying with didn't know what to make
of it. I also had piercing stomach pains and diarrhea. Oh yes, the
headaches were excruciating. It felt like a brick was constantly being
pressed against my head. Long story short, my mother emphatically told
me over the phone I had the infamous Teflon flu. "Teflon flu?" HUH?? I
had every symptom. End of story: my friends realized what had happened.
We started cooking in the stainless steel and today I feel like a
million bucks. My career is in the field of computer
networking/consulting, which is very technically oriented. So this
isn't simply an emotional response to a "seasonal flu". I know for a
fact that Teflon fumes poisoned me. Believe me or not you have been
warned. Thanks for your time. Grant Polet [email hidden]

Maybe it's really the change of cooking method that's made the difference.
Adding oils/butters to your diet to cook in SS has made you feel better.

Nancy Young said:

Really, I worked in the computer field myself and there were the
regular share of crazy/emotionally ill/hysterical people working
in all technical areas

Serves you right for being outstanding in your field! 😉

--
Andy
http://tinyurl.com/dzl7h

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Quoted message said:

Nancy Young said:

Really, I worked in the computer field myself and there were the
regular share of crazy/emotionally ill/hysterical people working
in all technical areas

Quoted message said:

Serves you right for being outstanding in your field! 😉

(laugh)

nancy

Andy said:

Nancy Young said:

Really, I worked in the computer field myself and there were the
regular share of crazy/emotionally ill/hysterical people working
in all technical areas

Serves you right for being outstanding in your field! 😉

*Why* is Nancy out *standing* in her field? Is she picking produce or
trying to figure out what to plant next? Or could she be trying to
figure out why her yield wasn't as good as last year? Or is she looking
for the cow that was supposed to be in her field but isn't there now?
Inquiring minds want to know.