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  1. Wow, 12698 articles unread, I've been lax. oh well. Think of it as
    time saved.

    Today I set out to fix the main Huffy that had a bottom bracket
    disintegration last December, that had been sitting in the garage
    while I rode my backup Huffy. Still, it was pleasant weather,
    there were no bugs, I had no pressing job-work task for a change,
    and it would be nice to get back that 3mph that the nicer Huffy
    gives me through its more aerodynamic riding position with the
    flat bar ends below the seat and straight forward, so I set to work.

    I had all the parts - it needed new BB everything : spindle, R&L cones
    and races, R&L cranks (chainrings come on the R crank); since the
    chainrings are being changed (they're pointy shark-tooth shaped anyway)
    the chain has to change, and the freewheel has to change. I have those
    too. And the rear derailleur is all rusted, so I have the spare out.

    I figure an hour and a half.

    Well, the R crank won't extract. It strips the threads on the crank
    (not the tool, fortunately). L crank is okay, and that lets me pull
    out the spindle on the right side, with R crank attached. Drop
    in waste basket. Pound out old races, discard. The L race was in
    several pieces and really bent up, cause of the disintegration.

    Pound in new races, put R crank on new spindle, try to guess whether
    bearing retainer back should face cone or race (decided cone),
    assembled the rest, added L crank.

    WTF? the big chainwheel is out past the front derailleur limit by
    about one chainwheel. They lengthened the spindle!

    Disassemble, compare with old spindle in waste basket. Yep, not the
    same part. Apparently after 5 years Huffy forgets what part fits
    what bicycle. Oh well, too late now. The old spindle doesn't
    even have the same geometry so it couldn't swap even if it weren't
    stuck to the R chainwheel.

    At least the pound-in races & bearings are the same.

    Remove wheel, remove freewheel (addition of vice has permanently
    solved this difficult job making it child's play). Screw on new
    freewheel. It binds against the spoke protector. No two consecutive
    freewheels are ever the same. Spent an hour looking for a junk wheel
    with a spacer, disassembled it and retrieved spacer, applied under
    new freewheel.

    Remove chain, uh... where is the sram power link? Spend 15 minutes
    inspecting each link. They're all the same. Find ancient rivet
    remover, remove a rivet, take chain into bright sunshine to satisfy
    open curiosity. Sram link recovered and tossed in junk drawer.

    New chain with new link goes together easily - at least something
    shows professionalism in this job.

    Replace rear derailleur, piece of cake. Old one falls off in heap
    of rust.

    WD40 up derailleur cable until it works again (bike died in salt
    season long ago and everything is frozen). Gears change up and
    down nicely.

    Front derailleur is frozen solid. WD40 it and work it back and forth
    for 15 minutes until it's free again. No way to get it to reach out
    to new big sprocket. Try bending. Nope. Remove front derailleur
    entirely, it's back to the old days where you just pick up the chain
    and put it on the ring you want. Make note to get salad tongs.

    Ride to store goes fine, 3mph has returned. I go out on the big
    chainwheel as it's more downhill than up, and come back on the middle
    chainwheel. That will work okay. Tighten up L and R cranks slightly.

    Total work time, 5 hours, still washing grit off my hands. Enough time
    to pay for a new high end Huffy, more or less.

    It's on the hairy edge of too many parts at once, where I go to a new
    Huffy, but I happen to like this model and frame, and the prospect
    of adding fenders and luggage carriers to a new one make it less
    attractive to spring for a new one.

    A close thing though.

    One amazing thing, the kickstand resurrected itself. It had been
    frozen solid and somehow freed itself up enough to WD40 it the
    rest of the way. Maybe salt rusted away an obstruction.
    --
    Ron Hardin
    [email hidden]

    On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.

  2. Ron Hardin said:

    (addition of vice has permanently
    solved this difficult job making it child's play)

    You're lucky. It seems that life gets tougher every time I add a vice.
    And it's usually a delayed reaction -- add vice now, pay later.

    Quoted message said:

    Remove front derailleur
    entirely, it's back to the old days where you just pick up the chain
    and put it on the ring you want. Make note to get salad tongs.

    Salad tongs as FD! That's awesome. I gotta remember that one.

    --
    Dave
    dvt at psu dot edu

  3. I'm still stuck on the "back up huffy " part. Why would anyone buy a
    mated pair? That would only leed to breeding, and more little huffys
    running around all over the place.

    Repair parts? Mulch that sucker. for the price of parts/labor you can
    buy a brand spanking new one! Or just wait around for the next brood...
    m

  4. bikeguy11968 said:

    Repair parts? Mulch that sucker. for the price of parts/labor you can
    buy a brand spanking new one! Or just wait around for the next brood...

    That's my usual policy, but the inconvenience factor owing to a shuttered
    Kmart is pretty high now, and a new one means adding fenders and luggage
    carrier arrangement (= regular rack supported underneath by a stripped
    seatpost rack beam for stability side-to-side), and the new ones are
    all some kid style that are being carried these days, and I had the parts.

    The air-shock ones won't take a decent rain fender & mudflap.

    So those considerations floated around in my head. 5 hours was a little
    long though.

    The job drew no blood, which was unusual.

    --
    Ron Hardin
    [email hidden]

    On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.

  5. dvt said:


    Ron Hardin said:

    (addition of vice has permanently
    solved this difficult job making it child's play)

    You're lucky. It seems that life gets tougher every time I add a vice.
    And it's usually a delayed reaction -- add vice now, pay later.

    Quoted message said:

    Remove front derailleur
    entirely, it's back to the old days where you just pick up the chain
    and put it on the ring you want. Make note to get salad tongs.

    Salad tongs as FD! That's awesome. I gotta remember that one.

    I pressed the salad tongs into service that I used to teach the dogs
    scent discrimination for Utility (to avoid getting your scent on any
    article except one when you place them), a wire thingy with square
    working end, and coat-hanger quality wire.

    It loops easily over a front brake cable, bending the cable slightly
    to hold tension as it hooks over each handle loop.

    The first dozen tries shifting by picking up the chain and putting
    it on another chainwheel worked easily, with no practice. I deduce
    that a front derailleur is completely unnecessary. More invention
    will be required in deciding where to hang the thing than in how
    to use them.

    This is assuming you don't shift much with the front derailleur, I
    guess. Not for half-step gearing, but who uses that any longer.

    Also not for when you can't ride looking down for a few seconds at
    a time.

    But the tongs don't freeze up from underuse. I see a bright future.

    Look for the Nashbar salad tongs.

    --
    Ron Hardin
    [email hidden]

    On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.

  6. "Ron Hardin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    But the tongs don't freeze up from underuse. I see a bright future.

    Look for the Nashbar salad tongs.

    Nope.

    You're too late.

    Campagnolo already has them out as part of its line of kitchen accessories -
    peanut butter knife, wine bottle opener, skishkabob skewers, and tong
    shifters.

    And who said the Italians were slow to improvise?

    Lee

  7. On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 18:40:07 GMT Ron Hardin <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I pressed the salad tongs into service

    Quoted message said:

    The first dozen tries shifting by picking up the chain and putting
    it on another chainwheel worked easily, with no practice.

    The first derailleur geared bike I ever rode was a circa '64 Schwinn
    Continental. It had a front der which consisted of a lever that ran up
    to the top of the seat post so you could grab the top with one hand
    and push the chain sideways with it's bottom end. I assume this was
    all made by Huret, but it's the only one like that I've ever seen.

    I'm pretty sure it was coupled with that marvel of weight and
    sluggishness, the Huret Alvit rear der.

    Can anyone tell me what this front der was and when it was made?

    -
    -----------------------------------------------
    Jim Adney [email hidden]
    Madison, WI 53711 USA
    -----------------------------------------------

  8. Jim Adney said:

    On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 18:40:07 GMT Ron Hardin <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I pressed the salad tongs into service

    Quoted message said:

    The first dozen tries shifting by picking up the chain and putting
    it on another chainwheel worked easily, with no practice.

    The first derailleur geared bike I ever rode was a circa '64 Schwinn
    Continental. It had a front der which consisted of a lever that ran up
    to the top of the seat post so you could grab the top with one hand
    and push the chain sideways with it's bottom end. I assume this was
    all made by Huret, but it's the only one like that I've ever seen.

    I'm pretty sure it was coupled with that marvel of weight and
    sluggishness, the Huret Alvit rear der.

    Can anyone tell me what this front der was and when it was made?

    -
    -----------------------------------------------
    Jim Adney [email hidden]
    Madison, WI 53711 USA
    -----------------------------------------------

    Dear Jim,

    Judging by page 192 of the 2nd edition of Frank Berto's "The
    Dancing Chain," your Schwinn Continental was probably using
    a Huret Alivet rear derailleur worked from the downtube and
    probably a Simplex Competition front derailleur worked by
    the rod going half-way up the seat tube.

    The pictures and captions show that the 1960 Schwinn Varsity
    8-speed used Simplex fore and aft, but the later model
    Varsity switched to the Huret Alivit rear derailleur,
    apparently keeping the rod-operated front Simplex
    derailleur.

    The top-of-the-line Paramount used Campagnolo.

    Carl Fogel

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