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  1. Well, perhaps not. But a friend gave me a copy of "The Complete Book of
    Bicycling" by Eugene A. Sloane. The copyright date is 1970, and I think
    this book functioned as a handbook for riding for bike boomers in much
    the same way as James Fixx's jogging book did for joggers.

    However, I'm not sure he did less harm than good. Excepts from the often
    informative book:

    Chapter 2 covers "Practical Tips for Bicycling Safely." Mr. Sloane
    avoids some of the worst possible failings, but on p. 21, offers some
    mysterious advice:

    "Never ride on a city street where parking is not allowed!"

    This seems to reflect urban design of the time (such roads would be fast
    commuter chutes) rather than complete wrong-headedness.

    but the next point is to ride where parking is allowed because, "traffic
    is supposed to allow from thirty to thirty-six inches...to allow for the
    doors of parked cars to open easily...thirty inches will be all you
    need."

    Followed immediately by "Watch out for car doors opening ahead of you
    when riding on streets with parked cars!"

    Apparently, Sloane wants us to ride in the door zone. The chapter
    continues on with some fairly random-sounding libels against the driving
    abilities of suburban housewives and older drivers, later followed by a
    tale of Sloane's only traffic accident, in which he ran into the back of
    a parked car because he was looking down at the connection of his
    electric socks.

    I am not making that up.

    I don't want to trash the entire book. He's got some good advice about
    looking out for storm grates, which especially at the time, often came
    with straight bars, great for wheel-bending.

    Chapter 5, on how to ride a bicycle, starts with nearly two pages,
    including a diagram, on ankling. Oh dear.

    The chapter on bike racing has a brief discussion of drugs in cycling,
    which suggests some curious theories about drug-tolerance, and alludes
    to the death of Tom Simpson without naming him.

    Surprisingly, the history section seems pretty good, describing both the
    political and performance landmarks of the early sport. One thing he
    points out that I hadn't thought of was that when Mile-a-Minute Murphy
    set his rail-paced record, no car was able to beat his speed for a
    decade.

    In the section on bike components, Sloane falls prey to the then-current
    sentiment that centre-pull brakes were superior to side-pull.

    There's a fair number of illustrations and photographs throughout. It
    might be a worthwhile addition to a bike book collection for those
    pictures alone, which range from contemporary to quite historic indeed.

    --
    Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
    "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
    to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

  2. On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:12:52 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    [snip]

    Quoted message said:

    Surprisingly, the history section seems pretty good, describing both the
    political and performance landmarks of the early sport. One thing he
    points out that I hadn't thought of was that when Mile-a-Minute Murphy
    set his rail-paced record, no car was able to beat his speed for a
    decade.

    [snip]

    Dear Ryan,

    Am I to understand that, to save his contemptible life, Gene Sloane
    dared to practise upon our credulous simplicity?

    [Ryan nods as he weeps.]

    Our revenge shall be swift and terrible!

    (Sorry, couldn't resist it, not with "swift" in the Pirate King's
    dialogue.)

    Here's a fun table of swiftness records, with links to many photos:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_speed_record#1898_to_1947

    This handsome electric car did over 65 mph by May 1st 1899:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Jamais_Contente

    As the text points out, the wicked streamlining was mostly useless
    because of the wheels and the driver sticking out like sore thumbs,
    but I'd love to cruise down Main Street in that thing!

    Anyway, two months later, Mile-a-minute Murphy dawdled along for a
    mile at an average speed of only 62 mph on June 30, 1899:

    http://arrts-arrchives.com/mmm.html

    http://www.fredrompelberg.com/en/html/algemeen/fredrompelberg/record.asp#a02P1Q1LKT1UV6572MX66

    Lots of cars beat 60 mph shortly after 1899. Henry Ford did a mile at
    over 91 mph on a frozen lake in 1904.

    By 1909, ten years after Murphy, cars and motorcycles were doing well
    over 120 mph.

    Cheers,

    Carl Fogel

  3. On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:12:52 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    [snip]

    Quoted message said:

    Surprisingly, the history section seems pretty good, describing both the
    political and performance landmarks of the early sport. One thing he
    points out that I hadn't thought of was that when Mile-a-Minute Murphy
    set his rail-paced record, no car was able to beat his speed for a
    decade.

    [snip]

    Dear Ryan,

    Am I to understand that, to save his contemptible life, Gene Sloane
    dared to practise upon our credulous simplicity?

    [Ryan nods as he weeps.]

    Our revenge shall be swift and terrible!

    (Sorry, couldn't resist it, not with "swift" in the Pirate King's
    dialogue.)

    Here's a fun table of swiftness records, with links to many photos:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_speed_record#1898_to_1947

    This handsome electric car did over 65 mph by May 1st 1899:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Jamais_Contente

    As the text points out, the wicked streamlining was mostly useless
    because of the wheels and the driver sticking out like sore thumbs,
    but I'd love to cruise down Main Street in that thing!

    Anyway, two months later, Mile-a-minute Murphy dawdled along for a
    mile at an average speed of only 62 mph on June 30, 1899:

    http://arrts-arrchives.com/mmm.html

    http://www.fredrompelberg.com/en/html/algemeen/fredrompelberg/record.asp#a02P1Q1LKT1UV6572MX66

    Lots of cars beat 60 mph shortly after 1899. Henry Ford did a mile at
    over 91 mph on a frozen lake in 1904.

    By 1909, ten years after Murphy, cars and motorcycles were doing well
    over 120 mph.

    Cheers,

    Carl Fogel

  4. I enjoy a few minutes of French Ankle for loosening the lower soleus
    and burning off the morning's Dynapo.
    But I'm not sure if a Complete Book of anything covers it.
    Have you tried searching the COMPLETE listing in WORLD CATALOGUE ??
    or the bicycling listings: A GAS

    one real good use of these dated "manuals" are photocopies of the
    occasional factory components blowups and drawings.

    You have off course read: The Complete Book of Motorcycles: 1900-1925?

    not the correct title but.... worth the effort.

    bang bang bang bang.......clatter clatter......

  5. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:12:52 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    [snip]

    Quoted message said:

    Surprisingly, the history section seems pretty good, describing both the
    political and performance landmarks of the early sport. One thing he
    points out that I hadn't thought of was that when Mile-a-Minute Murphy
    set his rail-paced record, no car was able to beat his speed for a
    decade.

    [snip]

    Dear Ryan,

    Am I to understand that, to save his contemptible life, Gene Sloane
    dared to practise upon our credulous simplicity?

    [Ryan nods as he weeps.]

    Our revenge shall be swift and terrible!

    (Sorry, couldn't resist it, not with "swift" in the Pirate King's
    dialogue.)

    Here's a fun table of swiftness records, with links to many photos:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_speed_record#1898_to_1947

    This handsome electric car did over 65 mph by May 1st 1899:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Jamais_Contente

    As the text points out, the wicked streamlining was mostly useless
    because of the wheels and the driver sticking out like sore thumbs,
    but I'd love to cruise down Main Street in that thing!

    Anyway, two months later, Mile-a-minute Murphy dawdled along for a
    mile at an average speed of only 62 mph on June 30, 1899:

    http://arrts-arrchives.com/mmm.html

    http://www.fredrompelberg.com/en/html/algemeen/fredrompelberg/record.asp#a02P1Q1LKT1UV6572MX66

    Lots of cars beat 60 mph shortly after 1899. Henry Ford did a mile at
    over 91 mph on a frozen lake in 1904.

    By 1909, ten years after Murphy, cars and motorcycles were doing well
    over 120 mph.

    Cheers,

    Carl Fogel

    It's funny how in those old designs they seem to have focused on making the
    machine body very streamlined but totally forgetting the driver was going to
    be sticking out of it four feet. It's like they thought humans would
    magically pass through the air without resistance just because they were
    human.

  6. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:12:52 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    [snip]

    Quoted message said:

    Surprisingly, the history section seems pretty good, describing both the
    political and performance landmarks of the early sport. One thing he
    points out that I hadn't thought of was that when Mile-a-Minute Murphy
    set his rail-paced record, no car was able to beat his speed for a
    decade.

    [snip]

    Dear Ryan,

    Am I to understand that, to save his contemptible life, Gene Sloane
    dared to practise upon our credulous simplicity?

    [Ryan nods as he weeps.]

    Our revenge shall be swift and terrible!

    Ah crud. I should have fact-checked that!

    Quoted message said:

    (Sorry, couldn't resist it, not with "swift" in the Pirate King's
    dialogue.)

    Here's a fun table of swiftness records, with links to many photos:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_speed_record#1898_to_1947

    This handsome electric car did over 65 mph by May 1st 1899:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Jamais_Contente

    As the text points out, the wicked streamlining was mostly useless
    because of the wheels and the driver sticking out like sore thumbs,
    but I'd love to cruise down Main Street in that thing!

    Anyway, two months later, Mile-a-minute Murphy dawdled along for a
    mile at an average speed of only 62 mph on June 30, 1899:

    http://arrts-arrchives.com/mmm.html

    http://www.fredrompelberg.com/en/html/algemeen/fredrompelberg/record.asp#a02P1
    Q1LKT1UV6572MX66

    Lots of cars beat 60 mph shortly after 1899. Henry Ford did a mile at
    over 91 mph on a frozen lake in 1904.

    By 1909, ten years after Murphy, cars and motorcycles were doing well
    over 120 mph.

    Okay, so since Mr. Sloane's history turns out to be unreliable, I take
    back all the nice things I said about him.

    --
    Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
    "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
    to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

  7. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    This handsome electric car did over 65 mph by May 1st 1899:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Jamais_Contente

    As the text points out, the wicked streamlining was mostly useless
    because of the wheels and the driver sticking out like sore thumbs,
    but I'd love to cruise down Main Street in that thing!

    I'd love to see a picture of the driver actually driving the car,
    instead of sitting up on the edge of the cockpit as shown on wikipedia's
    article. Looking at the height of the backrest, and comparing it to the
    few vintage racers I've had a chance to sit in (though not drive), I
    suspect the driver wasn't nearly as exposed as the article suggests, but
    instead fit mostly within the body of the vehicle.

    For example, look at
    http://www.speedace.info/land_speed_record_story.htm

    The first photo is the Jamais Contente with the driver sitting up on the
    edge of the cockpit, the third image shows the driver of another
    streamlined machine actually sitting down inside it in driving position.

    I could be wrong, but it sure looks like the driver of the Jamais
    Contente would sit down inside it like that when actually driving
    instead of showing off.

    Still, that does leave the very un-streamlined undercarriage....

    --
    [email hidden] is Joshua Putnam
    <http://www.phred.org/~josh/>
    Braze your own bicycle frames. See
    <http://www.phred.org/~josh/build/build.html>

  8. On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 03:17:39 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    [snip]

    Quoted message said:

    Okay, so since Mr. Sloane's history turns out to be unreliable, I take
    back all the nice things I said about him.

    Dear Ryan,

    If John Dacey puts that into latin, we have a motto for RBT squabbles!

    :-)

    I want something juicier than "Falsum in uno, falsum in omni!"

    Cheers,

    Carl Fogel

  9. Quoted message said:

    On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 03:17:39 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    [snip]

    Quoted message said:

    Okay, so since Mr. Sloane's history turns out to be unreliable, I take
    back all the nice things I said about him.

    Dear Ryan,

    If John Dacey puts that into latin, we have a motto for RBT squabbles!

    :-)

    I want something juicier than "Falsum in uno, falsum in omni!"

    propter illius turpitudinem omnia dulcia dicta revocans exsecror.

    --
    "From Hell's heart I stab at thee, for Hate's sake I spit my dying breath
    at thee."

  10. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    This handsome electric car did over 65 mph by May 1st 1899:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Jamais_Contente

    As the text points out, the wicked streamlining was mostly useless
    because of the wheels and the driver sticking out like sore thumbs,
    but I'd love to cruise down Main Street in that thing!

    I'd love to see a picture of the driver actually driving the car,
    instead of sitting up on the edge of the cockpit as shown on wikipedia's
    article. Looking at the height of the backrest, and comparing it to the
    few vintage racers I've had a chance to sit in (though not drive), I
    suspect the driver wasn't nearly as exposed as the article suggests, but
    instead fit mostly within the body of the vehicle.

    For example, look at
    http://www.speedace.info/land_speed_record_story.htm

    The first photo is the Jamais Contente with the driver sitting up on the
    edge of the cockpit, the third image shows the driver of another
    streamlined machine actually sitting down inside it in driving position.

    I could be wrong, but it sure looks like the driver of the Jamais
    Contente would sit down inside it like that when actually driving
    instead of showing off.

    Still, that does leave the very un-streamlined undercarriage....

    Well, images of La Jamais Contente are few, as most of my Google Image
    searches turn up either copies of the Wikipedia photo, or your photo
    from the speedace site.

    Both show the driver, from two different angles (and apparently in two
    different settings) in the same perched-high position.

    Then I found this photo, which shows the car (or possibly a later
    replica; it's in color, so this is presumably a much more recent photo
    than the others) without a driver, and what appears to be the seat
    cushion in the cockpit.

    http://www.univ-evry.fr/labos/gerpisa/lettre/numeros/132/images/132.gif
    http://www.univ-evry.fr/labos/gerpisa/lettre/numeros/132/index.html

    Darned if it isn't nearly flush with the cockpit sides!

    The only other image I found was an illustration of the vehicle in
    motion, which shows the same perched-up position, but that could well
    have been drawn from the famous posed photo.

    Nonetheless, I don't think the driver is sitting up on the edge of the
    cockpit in the famous photos. I think the seat really is that high, for
    what design reason I have no idea.

    --
    Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
    "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
    to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

  11. Ryan Cousineau said:
    Quoted message said:

    Lots of cars beat 60 mph shortly after 1899. Henry Ford did a mile at
    over 91 mph on a frozen lake in 1904.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    By 1909, ten years after Murphy, cars and motorcycles were doing well
    over 120 mph.

    Quoted message said:

    Okay, so since Mr. Sloane's history turns out to be unreliable, I take
    back all the nice things I said about him.

    You ought to also know that Sloan has testified as an expert witness
    supporting false claims of injury against the bicycle business. When
    involved in such a case, I was disappointed in his biting the hand
    that fed him.

    Jobst Brandt

  12. Ryan Cousineau said:
    Quoted message said:

    Lots of cars beat 60 mph shortly after 1899. Henry Ford did a mile at
    over 91 mph on a frozen lake in 1904.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    By 1909, ten years after Murphy, cars and motorcycles were doing well
    over 120 mph.

    Quoted message said:

    Okay, so since Mr. Sloane's history turns out to be unreliable, I take
    back all the nice things I said about him.

    You ought to also know that Sloan has testified as an expert witness
    supporting false claims of injury against the bicycle business. When
    involved in such a case, I was disappointed in his biting the hand
    that fed him.

    Jobst Brandt

  13. Ryan Cousineau said:

    Well, perhaps not. But a friend gave me a copy of "The Complete Book of
    Bicycling" by Eugene A. Sloane. The copyright date is 1970, and I think
    this book functioned as a handbook for riding for bike boomers in much
    the same way as James Fixx's jogging book did for joggers.

    However, I'm not sure he did less harm than good. Excepts from the often
    informative book:

    Chapter 2 covers "Practical Tips for Bicycling Safely." Mr. Sloane
    avoids some of the worst possible failings, but on p. 21, offers some
    mysterious advice:

    "Never ride on a city street where parking is not allowed!"

    This seems to reflect urban design of the time (such roads would be fast
    commuter chutes) rather than complete wrong-headedness.

    but the next point is to ride where parking is allowed because, "traffic
    is supposed to allow from thirty to thirty-six inches...to allow for the
    doors of parked cars to open easily...thirty inches will be all you
    need."

    Followed immediately by "Watch out for car doors opening ahead of you
    when riding on streets with parked cars!"

    Apparently, Sloane wants us to ride in the door zone. The chapter
    continues on with some fairly random-sounding libels against the driving
    abilities of suburban housewives and older drivers, later followed by a
    tale of Sloane's only traffic accident, in which he ran into the back of
    a parked car because he was looking down at the connection of his
    electric socks.

    I am not making that up.

    I don't want to trash the entire book. He's got some good advice about
    looking out for storm grates, which especially at the time, often came
    with straight bars, great for wheel-bending.

    Chapter 5, on how to ride a bicycle, starts with nearly two pages,
    including a diagram, on ankling. Oh dear.

    The chapter on bike racing has a brief discussion of drugs in cycling,
    which suggests some curious theories about drug-tolerance, and alludes
    to the death of Tom Simpson without naming him.

    Surprisingly, the history section seems pretty good, describing both the
    political and performance landmarks of the early sport. One thing he
    points out that I hadn't thought of was that when Mile-a-Minute Murphy
    set his rail-paced record, no car was able to beat his speed for a
    decade.

    In the section on bike components, Sloane falls prey to the then-current
    sentiment that centre-pull brakes were superior to side-pull.

    There's a fair number of illustrations and photographs throughout. It
    might be a worthwhile addition to a bike book collection for those
    pictures alone, which range from contemporary to quite historic indeed.


    I have Sloane's "new" bicycle maintenance book, and actually built my
    first wheelset (36h, 4-cross; a terrible pattern because of the
    rim/spoke angle) following the frankly horrid instructions; inserting
    all 36 spokes into the hub before starting makes for a right mess,
    although I understand shop mechanics do it this way when they've built
    hundreds of wheels. Nevertheless, the wheels didn't need touching for
    the 10 years or so I owned the bike after that, although the rear one
    benefited from being dishless (5 speed freewheel on a respaced Sachs
    Rival 6 speed hub) and was therefore almost as foolproof as a front one.

    There is some weird stuff in there, such as loose headsets blamed for
    shimmy (not true), 4-cross wheels giving a softer ride (unmeasurable)
    and the then-fashionable exhortations to remove brake extension levers,
    lest they slaughter your children and run off with your wife.

    I suppose I owe Eugene one for those wheels, as they got me into
    wheelbuilding and didn't actually let me down.

  14. Ryan Cousineau said:

    Okay, so since Mr. Sloane's history turns out to be unreliable, I take
    back all the nice things I said about him.

    As I remember, at least one edition of his book explained that "700c"
    wheels are 700 centimeters in diameter. That didn't say much for his
    technical knowledge.

    I also figured that the contract for his book's second edition must
    have paid him by the word. It's the only reason I can think of for
    cramming so much blather between two covers.

    - Frank Krygowski

  15. On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 16:57:36 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    This handsome electric car did over 65 mph by May 1st 1899:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Jamais_Contente

    As the text points out, the wicked streamlining was mostly useless
    because of the wheels and the driver sticking out like sore thumbs,
    but I'd love to cruise down Main Street in that thing!

    I'd love to see a picture of the driver actually driving the car,
    instead of sitting up on the edge of the cockpit as shown on wikipedia's
    article. Looking at the height of the backrest, and comparing it to the
    few vintage racers I've had a chance to sit in (though not drive), I
    suspect the driver wasn't nearly as exposed as the article suggests, but
    instead fit mostly within the body of the vehicle.

    For example, look at
    http://www.speedace.info/land_speed_record_story.htm

    The first photo is the Jamais Contente with the driver sitting up on the
    edge of the cockpit, the third image shows the driver of another
    streamlined machine actually sitting down inside it in driving position.

    I could be wrong, but it sure looks like the driver of the Jamais
    Contente would sit down inside it like that when actually driving
    instead of showing off.

    Still, that does leave the very un-streamlined undercarriage....

    Well, images of La Jamais Contente are few, as most of my Google Image
    searches turn up either copies of the Wikipedia photo, or your photo
    from the speedace site.

    Both show the driver, from two different angles (and apparently in two
    different settings) in the same perched-high position.

    Then I found this photo, which shows the car (or possibly a later
    replica; it's in color, so this is presumably a much more recent photo
    than the others) without a driver, and what appears to be the seat
    cushion in the cockpit.

    http://www.univ-evry.fr/labos/gerpisa/lettre/numeros/132/images/132.gif
    http://www.univ-evry.fr/labos/gerpisa/lettre/numeros/132/index.html

    Darned if it isn't nearly flush with the cockpit sides!

    The only other image I found was an illustration of the vehicle in
    motion, which shows the same perched-up position, but that could well
    have been drawn from the famous posed photo.

    Nonetheless, I don't think the driver is sitting up on the edge of the
    cockpit in the famous photos. I think the seat really is that high, for
    what design reason I have no idea.

    Dear Ryan,

    I suspect that the odd perch was just a sign that early cars were
    copying horse-drawn carriages. Despite its streamlined appearance, the
    car was mostly intended for bouncing along at low speeds on the poor
    roads of 1899--what we take for streamlining may have been just the
    easiest way to build a body around the batteries and electric motor.

    The Wiki entry for the driver shows him sitting bolt upright with his
    wife sitting sidesaddle behind him and the car wreathed with flower
    garlands:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camille_Jenatzy

    These side views show that the steering tiller (steering wheels were
    still regarded with suspicion) is way up high, supporting the notion
    that the driver sat up out in the open:

    http://www.speedace.info/jamais.htm

    Here's the predecessor, which set the previous speed record of 57 mph
    and whose design clearly has the driver up in the air above what looks
    like a rocket-ship body:

    http://www.speedace.info/jeantaude.htm

    Again, it was probably just an easy way to build a body over an
    electric car, with only vague notions of aerodynamics. Note the
    exposed secondary chain drive for the electric motor--the Jamais
    switched to direct internal drive.

    Cheers,

    Carl Fogel

  16. Quoted message said:

    As I remember, at least one edition of his book explained that "700c"
    wheels are 700 centimeters in diameter. That didn't say much for his
    technical knowledge.

    Gimme a break. Sloan was told that he was not allowed to put math in
    his textbook on bicycling. In the 1960's, the metric system had just
    been invented, anyway, hadn't it ??? *grin*.

    - Don Gillies
    San Diego, CA

  17. Ryan Cousineau said:

    In the section on bike components, Sloane falls prey to the then-current
    sentiment that centre-pull brakes were superior to side-pull.

    Are you saying they're not ??

    - Don Gillies
    San Diego, CA, USA

  18. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:
    Ryan Cousineau said:
    Quoted message said:

    Lots of cars beat 60 mph shortly after 1899. Henry Ford did a mile at
    over 91 mph on a frozen lake in 1904.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    By 1909, ten years after Murphy, cars and motorcycles were doing well
    over 120 mph.

    Quoted message said:

    Okay, so since Mr. Sloane's history turns out to be unreliable, I take
    back all the nice things I said about him.

    You ought to also know that Sloan has testified as an expert witness
    supporting false claims of injury against the bicycle business. When
    involved in such a case, I was disappointed in his biting the hand
    that fed him.

    Sheesh. I'm beginning to wonder if there's anything Sloane didn't do
    wrong, cycling-wise. I wouldn't be shocked anymore to hear he was seen
    hanging around Marco Pantani's hotel on the day of his death, convinced
    Cannondale to take a shot at the motorcycle and ATV business, and gave
    Dario Pegoretti cancer.

    --
    Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
    "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
    to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

  19. Donald Gillies said:
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    In the section on bike components, Sloane falls prey to the
    then-current sentiment that centre-pull brakes were superior to
    side-pull.

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    Are you saying they're not ??

    That's why the survived for a micro-second on the market, leaving only
    those who were fooled by the appearance of having twice the brake
    force. You might imagine how the rec.bicycle people of the day
    chastised me for pointing out that their mechanical advantage was the
    same (1:1) as all calipers brakes of the time. To make up for that,
    they had horrible cosine error without the benefit of great mud
    clearance as cantilever brakes offer, sweeping into the tire as their
    pads wore.

    Ah yes, the Mafac Racer. What a name! One should have wondered why
    they had spherical pad adjustment. They needed it.

    Jobst Brandt

  20. Ryan Cousineau said:
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    > Lots of cars beat 60 mph shortly after 1899. Henry Ford did a
    > mile at over 91 mph on a frozen lake in 1904.

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    > By 1909, ten years after Murphy, cars and motorcycles were doing well
    > over 120 mph.

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    Okay, so since Mr. Sloane's history turns out to be unreliable, I take
    back all the nice things I said about him.

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    You ought to also know that Sloan has testified as an expert witness
    supporting false claims of injury against the bicycle business. When
    involved in such a case, I was disappointed in his biting the hand
    that fed him.

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    Sheesh. I'm beginning to wonder if there's anything Sloane didn't
    do wrong, cycling-wise. I wouldn't be shocked anymore to hear he
    was seen hanging around Marco Pantani's hotel on the day of his
    death, convinced Cannondale to take a shot at the motorcycle and ATV
    business, and gave Dario Pegoretti cancer.

    You're catching on.

    Jobst Brandt

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